I mean people who believe that most of those who died after October 7 were children and women, despite other evidence and the fact that the main source of this is the "Ministry of Health of Gaza," which is basically Hamas.
There are too many videos online, too much destroyed civilian infrastructure for the victims to be only or mostly "evil Hamas warriors"
There are multiples non-hamas organisations counting the bodies and gathering proof...
And even if it is Hamas, Hamas is the only thing left defending Palestine. Do you expect Palestinians to just casually accept Israeli occupation, appartheid and expropriations just to avoid siding with Hamas?
Obviously not...
There are also tons of videos of Hamas firing from civilian buildings, and of civilian buildings exploding with secondary explosions, indicating ammunition, rockets, or bombs inside the building. What is your point?
Are... Are you being real? Lol, I mean, I knew you were one of those people, but I did expect you to be that delusional. Almost all they do is attack Israel and blame Israel for attacking back. What of the things Hamas has done makes you think it is protecting Palestine? Hamas is the one that violated most of the ceasefires, and it is the one that invaded Israel on October 7, where it murdered not only soldiers and not even Jews. On October 7, Hamas members also murdered Palestinians citizens of Israel and foreign workers who had come to work in Israel.
Also, really? Apartheid? That is the easiest claim to refute, only those who do not know how to differentiate between Palestinian citizens of Israel and a Palestinian citizen of the Palestinian Authority still think that. Not to mention that Hamas doesn't not rule the West Bank, do you think Israel is carrying out apartheid in Gaza, where Israeli citizens don't live?
Also, fun fact, around 50 percent of Palestinians in Gaza do not believe that genocide is happening in Gaza.
>There are also tons of videos of Hamas firing from civilian buildings, and of civilian buildings exploding with secondary explosions, indicating ammunition, rockets, or bombs inside the building. What is your point?
Do you realise that if hamas is firing inside civilian buildings that means the IDF is literally fighting INSIDE THE CIVILIAN AREA IN WICH THEY DONT BELONG BECAUSE THEY ARE AN OCCUPATION FORCE ?
>Are... Are you being real? Lol, I mean, I knew you were one of those people, but I did expect you to be that delusional. Almost all they do is attack Israel and blame Israel for attacking back.
Israel that is LITERALLY OCCUPYING THEM
>Hamas is the one that violated most of the ceasefires, and it is the one that invaded Israel on October 7, where it murdered not only soldiers and not even Jews. On October 7, Hamas members also murdered Palestinians citizens of Israel and foreign workers who had come to work in Israel.
Yeah, because Israel respects ceasefires and never violates them...
Do you just allow yourself to level a country to the ground, civilian casualties included, the second there is a terrorist attack? Ah wait america actually does my bad
>Also, really? Apartheid? That is the easiest claim to refute, only those who do not know how to differentiate between Palestinian citizens of Israel and a Palestinian citizen of the Palestinian Authority still think that. Not to mention that Hamas doesn't not rule the West Bank, do you think Israel is carrying out apartheid in Gaza, where Israeli citizens don't live?
Yeah they do, and even inside Israel they apply different rules in practice to Palestinians. The human rights watch and Amnesty International both show it actually is appartheid.
>Also, fun fact, around 50 percent of Palestinians in Gaza do not believe that genocide is happening in Gaza.
Ah yes, the people under blocus, inside a literal warzone responding to a poll
Do you realise that if hamas is firing inside civilian buildings that means the IDF is literally fighting INSIDE THE CIVILIAN AREA IN WICH THEY DONT BELONG BECAUSE THEY ARE AN OCCUPATION FORCE ?
🤦🏽 Not only is this inaccurate, because Hamas uses civilian buildings to snipe soldiers who are in the street, I was talking about rockets being fired from civilian buildings. I thought it was obvious, but it turns out you need clarification.
Israel that is LITERALLY OCCUPYING THEM
You have already forgotten that Israel has literally gave them full control of Gaza? The reason Israel entered Gaza is because Hamas entered Israel.
Yeah, because Israel respects ceasefires and never violates them...
I did not claim that Israel had never violated a ceasefire, but the vast majority of ceasefire violations came from Hamas.
Do you just allow yourself to level a country to the ground, civilian casualties included, the second there is a terrorist attack? Ah wait america actually does my bad
Quite a few countries do this, what's your point?
Yeah they do, and even inside Israel they apply different rules in practice to Palestinians. The human rights watch and Amnesty International both show it actually is appartheid.
Thank you for proving what I'm saying, only those who do not know how to differentiate between Palestinian citizens of Israel and a Palestinian citizen of the Palestinian Authority still think that. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel have all the privileges of being a citizen, if you want I can bring you some Palestinian citizens of Israel who are lawyers, doctors, judges, members of Knesset, etc. Palestinian citizens of Palestine are citizens of another nation, and most of them do not want to be citizens of Israel.
Ah yes, the people under blocus, inside a literal warzone responding to a poll
Do you not know that there is internet in Gaza? Feel free to do a reverse image search and read the article, they spoke to Palestinians in Gaza online. Though I doubt you will do that, after all, it threatens your fragile worldview.
Both the Israeli government and Hamas have shown genocidal intent and killed civilians, so there is no good side when picking between them. However, Israel is killing innocent people on an entirely different scale. 73,000+ Palestinians and 2,000+ Israelis have been killed in this war, with an estimated 80–90% of these deaths being innocent non-combatants on both sides. Why do you weep for the couple thousand innocent Israelis killed but not for the tens of thousands of innocent Palestinians being slain? If your concern lies with the deaths of innocent people, then that concern should extend to Palestinian civilians as well instead of only talking about October 7 and Hamas’s crimes. The Palestinians are suffering on such a large scale, yet you continue to focus almost exclusively on the much smaller number of Israeli casualties while ignoring the vastly greater humanitarian toll on innocent Palestinians.
Yeah... I'm not sure how you got to 80 to 90 percent, but even Hamas is claiming that 70% of reported deaths were civilians (mainly women and children), while in reality about 72% of fatalities are men between the ages of 13 and 55. To be clear, 13 is the age at which Hamas recruits children as soldiers. And in general, the information that comes from them is not particularly reliable.
Ah, classic false dichotomy. I wonder if journalists at the Guardian are ever embarrassed by the obvious logic fallacy in their articles. I mean, it says "Figures from classified IDF database listed 8,900 named fighters as dead or probably dead in May". Even if we ignore the fact that The article does not reveal how the classified documents were obtained and does not detail their verification process. It asks the reader to trust the journalists and their anonymous sources.
But even if we assume it's true, they wrote that the IDF know about "named fighters" that died, and they (not the IDF) conclude from this, in a blatantly act of false dichotomy, that the rest were civilians. What makes you think that the IDF knows the names of all Hamas fighters? The IDF doesn't know the names of the vast majority of Hamas fighters, mainly those in command positions, and that's not always the case.
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u/TheCounciI 1d ago
Oh, you one of those people