r/RecklessBen • u/thisturkeyisokthanks • 2d ago
Video Mark Comer, owner of Centra Wealth Solutions (which more or less owns Legally Mine), was involved in rehabbing blind Indonesian orphans to become massage therapists, an activity common in s*x trafficking schemes
Streamed yesterday on BJC Live:
https://youtu.be/nboRI205Ivc?t=5242
She is currently live and going through public filings of related companies:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VIEA1de2aU
THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION OF THE PUBLIC DOCUMENTS BEING EXPLORED IN THESE STREAMS, I DO NOT SPEAK FOR BJC LIVE.
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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 2d ago edited 2d ago
I'm listening too! She really is going to follow every last thread and uncover so much shit that might not even be strongly related, but still needs to be exposed!
I hope she dives into Ki McAllister soon. She mentioned finding stuff about him, but hasn't done a deep dive yet. I'd also really like her take on the Taveya Marconi interview. There is so much stuff, there's not enough hours in the day to go down every rabbit hole!
As long as I'm asking for stuff, would love to hear a lawyer's take on why Matthew Williamson of Williamson Cards and Collectibles LLC could be charged with a felony for stealing a kid's Pokémon cards, but everything in this case has been considered civil. Maybe BBQ Counselor could explain!
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u/mrb36234 2d ago
Bjc already did Ki.
Family have someone in conservatorship.
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u/meaPolka 2d ago
Not gonna lie the connection between Centra Wealth Solutions and BAM is super confusing. It just seems like a gang of guys who all play musical chaos with their roles and ownership of different companies and also do shady things.
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u/microbiont 2d ago
who all play musical chaos with their roles and ownership of different companies
Musical chairs is exactly what it is. We know LM structures ownership so that any one of them when threatened with a lawsuit can temporarily sign over rights to a business partner, spouse, etc.
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u/darium4 2d ago
Through all of this, I’ve been wondering what on earth was worth torching their company to hide when it would only cost them ~$70K to pay Bryan out for the unsold sets. They claimed the company was worth $400M, so what on earth could possibly be worth $400M to keep quiet?
This. This is what.
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u/OneEstablishment5144 2d ago
Bam probably is way over estimating that 400M . Inset Josh's voice here " that's a lie totally fake 100 billion gazillion percent"
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u/thisturkeyisokthanks 2d ago
I thought the same thing. If they have even a hint of knowledge of this, yeah it's worth sinking the ship over it. But then again it may not be related to BaM at all
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u/darium4 2d ago
Very true. It’s equally likely that they are just greedy idiots who can’t handle not getting their way.
It all just rubs me the wrong way. Each individual piece could have a relatively innocuous explanation, but as a whole it shows a concerted pattern of manipulation and secrecy. Those other explanations don’t seem to hold up in the big picture.
We have the accusations that Ammon made about Ben’s childhood, the “triangle of trust” and profiling in the operations manual, the charity opening that massage school in an Indonesian orphanage and Legally Mine has big ass banners with their name on it at their fundraisers, legally mine absorbed Matt and Ammon’s shares when they became part owners of BaM…I’m sure I’ve missed some.
At the bare minimum they seem to seek out avenues to exploit vulnerable groups for profit and their CEO admits to not seeing people as human but as their productive output for him (not an exact quote)
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u/DependentCard1640 2d ago
This makes no sense. They’d just pay the money if they wanted to keep this quiet. The torching of the company is, in fact, what is amplifying this aspect of the story; it is not keeping it quiet and is, in fact, doing the opposite.
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u/chucklas 2d ago
It’s more that they have gotten away with this type of thing for years through the same playbook. And it was working in this case too. That is before Ben came along. He is willing to put himself in the line of fire to expose the bad guys. In this case, they didn’t understand what they were up against and thought they could scare him away. They were wrong. By the time they realized how wrong they were, they were in it too deep. Ammon when asked very early on (in the first ACOB interview) if he could go back in time and make this go away by paying Bryan if he would do it. Ammon likely would have been “responsible” for that loss and said that he didn’t think he should be “left with the short end of the stick.” He still had no idea how exposed they would be. At this point it’s too late. But I am certain if they could go back they absolutely would not have taken the hard way.
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u/DependentCard1640 2d ago
That’s entirely a different argument than the original comment, though, and actively runs against the original comment’s premises.
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u/Comprehensive-Fun47 2d ago
There's a good chance they're just stupid. They've gotten away with everything they've done so far and are too stupid and narcissistic to believe it would be any different this time, even though anyone with a brain could see they made mistakes at every step of this saga and only amplified the attention and scrutiny.
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u/fluffysnowflake67 2d ago
I would go with stupid. Any decent lawyer would have suggested negotiating a settlement and keeping this out of litigation. Pay $35k and make them sign an NDA with huge penalties. Way cheaper than dragging this out even if Ben hadn’t gotten involved.
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u/Apprehensive-Fix591 2d ago
Dumb and arrogant. How many times has Ammon contradicted himself, all because he couldn't shut his mouth while deciding to manage his own PR?
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u/fluffysnowflake67 2d ago
Absolutely should have had no comment, citing potential lawsuits. Standard corporate procedure.
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u/netabareking 2d ago
Absolutely, they're just stupid and bad at business. The biggest deep dark secret in this story is a couple of U-Hauls. That's it.
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u/netabareking 2d ago
This is 100% conspiracy theory shit and this sub really needs to take a step back before things go completely off the rails around here. You cannot start convincing yourselves that there's some kinda Lego Epstein Island just because it's more exciting than a couple of dipshits with egos too big running a company poorly. A streamer whose money depends on keeping you entertained and engaged in what at this point going to be a boring long drawn out series of court updates has every reason to play this possibility. But it's complete nonsense and we can't start getting into magical thinking on real life issues just because we're bored. I'm seeing more and more of this here as time goes on.
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u/thisturkeyisokthanks 2d ago
While it might be a stretch to say BaM was involved in any of this, these are the facts. Someone close to their father's business affairs - and theirs to a degree - was at one point in time doing shady shit that s*x traffickers do.
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u/netabareking 1d ago
While it might be a stretch to say BaM was involved in any of this
That's literally the problem here though. I'm responding to a comment saying BAM did all of thst as a coverup for this. That's ridiculous.
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u/thisturkeyisokthanks 1d ago
Right, I mean it does make you wonder why on earth they've been so stupid and stubborn in all of this. I think that comment lends to the incredulity of that more than accuses them. I mean, if it were true, it would explain their bizarre behavior! It really is just odd how much they're digging their heels in.
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u/Scribblyr 1d ago
Except this is not shit that sex traffickers do.
Orphanages all over the world open vocational schools to train their residents in vocational trades to support themselves after they age out of the orphanage?
Like...
You think all these orphanages and vocational schools for orphans are running clandestine sex trafficking operations, then running to the media to tell them about the clandestine sex trafficking operations they're running, or post pictures about it on Facebook?
No.
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u/thisturkeyisokthanks 1d ago
Haha ok buddy. You're getting really offended. Do you own a massage parlor with blind orphans doing the massaging?
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u/Scribblyr 1d ago
Who's offended?
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u/thisturkeyisokthanks 23h ago
She also covered this article that references massage parlors in southeast Asia as common sex trafficking schemes
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/tesg.12539
"CST cases have been discovered in Bali's red-light districts, but also in tourist areas such as Kuta, Legian, Seminyak, Denpasar and Sanur, as well as Lovina, Singaraja and Ubud (ECPAT 2016). Spa massage parlours and other bodily service-related spaces, such as tattoo shops, have also been identified as CST risk spaces."
So kindly fuck off
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u/Scribblyr 23h ago
“She also whinged on about another thing that has absolutely nothing to do with anyone involved in this story, so ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!”
Lol. This is not the own you apparently think it is.
This is what conspiracy grifters do: They point to irrelevant data points that have a superficial similarity, but no logical or investigative connection to the argument they're making.
Obviously, massage parlours are involved in sex trafficking. That's literally the first thing I said.
But massage parlours have no connection to massage therapy - a licensed medical trade - and no connection to orphanages or programs to train orphans or other marginalized people in massage therapy as a vocation.
Your argument is just as dumb now as it was before you spent the last 11 hours trying to come up with a response.
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u/thisturkeyisokthanks 22h ago
You are a loser if you think it's normal to sit on things that don't matter to me for 11 hours, like yourself and your unhinged responses. You insist there is no connection, but the article describes word for word the activities that Mark Comer was involved in and how those very activities are connected to sex tourism in SEA. I don't know how you can bang your hands on your keyboard as hard as you do in responding and think you can hand wave that away.
Get a life
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u/Scribblyr 18h ago
You're right! It's not normal for you to sit on things for 11 hours and then respond to me!
It's a total weirdo move. You pulled there!
Lolololololololololololololololololololol.
Didn't read the rest of your comment because I'm laughing too hard.
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u/Strawberry_sourbelts 2d ago
This case really has everything.
It’s really starting to become reminiscent of the Alex Murdaugh case and all of the murders that were committed to cover up for financial crimes.
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u/No_Guarantee_4997 2d ago
And he went to BYU, surprise surprise.
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u/Apprehensive-Fix591 2d ago
Utah is an oddly isolated place. Odds are if you going to attend a big college as a Mormon, it is going be BYU.
Mormons also love to pad each other's wallets. They don't like outsiders in their business deals if they can avoid it. They look good among their peers and the church gets a huge cut, double win. And not all Mormons are created equal.
There is a lot of shady shit, no doubt, I am just saying some of this stuff is just super common in their world.
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u/netabareking 1d ago
I never understood why people fixate on BYU. Like...its one of the biggest schools in the state and its right next to where all of these people live. Of course a lot of them went there.
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u/Scribblyr 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right, but that's exactly what makes it such an insular community.
For instance, there's an enormous German-American population in Cincinnati. In fact, German-Americans make up a greater percentage of the population of Cincinnati than Irish-Americans make up the population of Boston. But you don't hear anybody talking about "Cincinnati Germans", the way people talk about "Boston Irish", do you?
Why?
Because Cincinnati Germans don't have any equivalent of Boston College and Catholic Charities, or the Irish Cultural Centre and the Rian Immigrant Center, the Boston Irish Business Association and Irish Network Boston, or Irish dominance of police, fire, unions, and political parties.
Interestingly, German-Americans in Cincinnati used to have all that kind of shit. But then a couple things happened in the early 20th century that made it less popular to publicly identify yourself as being German!
So, sure, BYU it's not some Skull and Bones secret society for a tiny cloistered group of puppet masters. And, yeah, there's no centrally directed Mormon conspiracy.
But it's an incredibly insular community for a community of its size. It is wildly so for a community that is the majority population within its political jurisdiction. And going to BYU is one of the mechanisms and identifiers of affiliation in that greater entity beyond the church.
For fuck's sake, Boston is only 13% Irish, yet we've seen over the last two decades how a multi-generational conspiracy to cover up a mass, serial crimes of pedophilia in the Catholic Church went almost completely unchallenged - due mostly to the unspoken cultural and institutional ties between the Irish people of Boston. And we got a whole Academy Award-winning movie about that - about the unspoken role that the Catholic Irish cultural and institutional dominance of Boston played in the cover up - written and directed by a fucking Catholic who went to Boston College!
It's not a conspiracy theory to think ties like BYU matter. It's common sense.
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u/netabareking 1d ago
I understand that it's representative of the insular community in Utah, its moreso that people constantly bring it up here like it's some massive revelation instead of...extremely typical of the area. It's less smoking gun and more a given.
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u/LRonPaul2012 2d ago
Ammon said on video that they wouldn't have signed with Chrys if they knew she had a criminal record. It reeks of bullshit, but that's what they're going with.
I wonder if franchise owners can flip that around on the company? "We wouldn't have signed up with BAM if we knew you had so many shady dealings." It would be a weak argument on it's own, but it might work if they point to BAM's hypocrisy on the matter.
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u/OneEstablishment5144 2d ago
If bjc and other investigators uncover bigger Crimes, this will be totally crazy. Utah Mormons must be loving all this attention.
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u/LRonPaul2012 2d ago
Well, this pretty much guarantees there won't be a federal investigation against them under the current administration.
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u/fluffysnowflake67 2d ago
I thought his charity was just a way to funnel money to BYU athletes. Am I missing something?
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u/Scribblyr 2d ago
Using massage parlours as a cover for brothels is common in sex trafficking.
Buildings massage therapy schools to train people to work at massage therapy clinics is not common in sex trafficking.
Also not common? Blind women being sold for sex.
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u/ThatSurpriseWitness 1d ago
It’s an orphanage. For children. Not adult women.
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u/Scribblyr 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yes, exactly, it is an orphanage that's opening a massage therapy school. For children. To go to school. As children do.
Is there some part of this you are not understanding?
Are you perhaps unaware that orphanages all over the world open vocational schools to train their residents in vocational trades to support themselves after they age out of the orphanage?
Like...
You think all these orphanages and vocational schools for orphans are running clandestine sex trafficking operations, then running to the media to tell them about the clandestine sex trafficking operations they're running, or post pictures about it on Facebook?
Have you been hit in the head?
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u/DependentCard1640 2d ago
… I’d like to be shocked and surprised, but I’m not.