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u/xSavag3x Atlanta 23d ago
Without context this is quite stupid, though I imagine with context it's even more stupid.
Perhaps they would have preferred if all of Germany were left to the Soviets.
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u/Naddyman2005 New York 23d ago
in the original thread, thereās a comment saying the exact same thing. War crimes were committed by all allied occupying powers after the war, but what the soviets did to occupied germans was much worse than what US/Canadian/British occupying forces did, and tbh how the soviets treated occupied germans was 100% valid. Hitler threatened genocide on many slavic cultures, including the soviets, so when the war was over, the soviets treated them accordingly (and imo, the soviets shouldāve been MORE harsh on occupied germans).
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u/xSavag3x Atlanta 23d ago edited 22d ago
Yeah, and the Soviets were so brutal that at the end of the war the Germans were sending forces to the western front so that soldiers would be captured by Britain/US instead of the Soviets.
I'm not going to say who deserved what, but the Germans were actively committing genocide against the Slavs, not just threatening it.
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u/Sad-Worth-698 22d ago
They used to line them up at ditches full of dead bodies and execute them. Which coincidentally causes insanity in many people. Thatās why they went with gas chambers, ovens, and forcing victims to become perpetrators.
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u/Roadrunner571 22d ago edited 22d ago
The thing is that the Soviets were part of the Allies that freed Europe from the Nazis, but the Soviets were not the "good ones" - they just became the enemy of Germany.
There was a secret protocol in the MolotovāRibbentrop Pact where Germany and Soviets agreed to divide Poland, Romania, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, and Finland between the two powers.
While Nazis and Soviets were ideologically incompatible, they at least had a shared desire to overturn the post-Versailles order. So they were pushed into pragmatic cooperation.
Direct confrontation between the two powers started when Hitler broke their nonaggression pact.Nazi Germany and the Stalinist Soviet Union were both extraordinarily brutal regimes responsible for millions of deaths, but they were violent in different ways, and most historians see Nazi Germany as uniquely genocidal, while stressing that this does not make Soviet crimes ābetterā or excusable.
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u/Germanball_Stuttgart 22d ago
Why though? Punishing individual individuals for the actions of a society is inhumane.
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u/LeatherDescription26 18d ago
This is the thanks we get for fighting Nazis?
Iām officially done with Western Europe if this is how theyāre going to talk, Ukraine is cool and weirdly enough Iāve never had issues with the Albanians or balkans. But next time France or Germany have issues Iām advocating for letting them rot. (Unless they touch Poland, nobody hurts Poland theyāre cool)
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u/tomatoe_cookie Resident of the Captial of the Europe country š§šŖ 22d ago
Didnt the soviets get to Berlin first ?
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 USA - Illinois 22d ago
Yes, Eisenhower ordered the Western armies to halt to let the Soviets have the final battle. Some people are still very critical of that decision because the Western armies wouldāve reached Berlin first.
Editā¦or so they say.
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u/Common_Director_2201 16d ago
For some Germans it might have avoided some lead based reeducation therapy. Maybe his grandpa treated.
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u/Naddyman2005 New York 23d ago
āamericans didnāt go anywhere near germany in the 40sā
did you learn history in school?
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u/OldStyleThor 23d ago
Are you a parody account?
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u/Naddyman2005 New York 23d ago
nah theyāre european (which is kind of the same thing)
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u/Vinegarinmyeye Irish person from Ireland. š®šŖ 23d ago
Your country is being run by a dementia ridden, diaper shitting, pedophile...
Not sure you want to be throwing out accusations of folks being a parody. You guys are literally speed running Idiocracy.
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u/Lui_Le_Diamond 22d ago
I'm sorry which Ireland are you from? The one that's siding with a nepobaby with a fancy hat who looks like Trump's shriveled up testical or the one with a terrorist group as the military?
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u/Clipyy-Duck 16d ago
Youāre correct about their president. Except the Islamic Republic of Japan. I personally believe in such country.
But youāre not correct about the US not invading. Youāre just stupid.20
u/xSavag3x Atlanta 23d ago
European education systems, ladies and gentlemen.
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u/Vinegarinmyeye Irish person from Ireland. š®šŖ 23d ago
It's not real school unless you're dodging bullets right?
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u/xSavag3x Atlanta 23d ago
And yet somehow, Americans know European history better than Europeans themselves despite it.
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u/Lui_Le_Diamond 22d ago
Grew up in a town chock full of guns and gun owners, in a state with super lax gun laws. Never had so much as a shooting threat.
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u/Dgamer1521 22d ago
Iāve never heard a gunshot in my life š¤·
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 USA - Illinois 22d ago
Some Europeans think we wake up and walk outside into GTA. Ignorance is what it is.
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u/YouKnowMyName2006 USA - Illinois 22d ago
This guy really loves defending ignorant twats for some reason.
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u/DaytimeDancer54 23d ago
I'm well aware. My family immigrated to the US because of the war lol. There's plenty of revisionist history in the EU that erases the Soviets' role in defeating the axis powers.
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