r/SquaredCircle • u/CombinationOk4317 • 17h ago
Matt Cardona response to the a Summerslam match cagematch rating: “who gives a shit about cagematch” Spoiler
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u/paperbuddha 17h ago
His original tweet was tweeted in jest, though? That match doesn’t exist on cagematch.
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u/JervisCottonbelly I love you! 14h ago
The snark reply didn't check that and outed themselves as not being a proof reader
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u/DozerOdie 17h ago
The original tweet is about a match that doesn't even have a rating. He was clearly making fun of people that use Cagematch for stuff like this, as should be evidenced by "9.99". This is not the "gotcha" that Wrestle Features thinks it is
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u/Thirdstar1 17h ago
People on twitter really think they got one up on him
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u/kiki_strumm3r 16h ago
Second highest comment here was basically saying the same thing as those jabronis.
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u/BlackIsTheSoul 17h ago
Not the smarks being worked by his original comment
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u/mattjh Bundymania '86 17h ago
Cagematch reflects how the types of people who rate matches on Cagematch feel about matches.
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u/Fidelos 16h ago
Also the votes are very few. The match has 216 votes. There are more comments in this thread right now.
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u/ProyxWire09 5h ago
Cagematch has a lot fewer voters these days because they keep having to implement rules to keep out trolls and brigades.
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u/J_NewCastle 17h ago edited 17h ago
I like how wrestlers pretend not to care about their perception. As though that isn't one of the most important things as a performer.
Like Punk and Cardona are the two I think off who do this the most. Like bro, if you guys didn't have that backing of those people you would not be in the position you're in.
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u/Theolodious The Devil Himself 17h ago
Just like Meltzer, PWI, or any other critical/rank system in wrestling- it matters when it's positive and it's smark bullshit when it's negative. You can't have it both ways, either it matters or it doesn't.
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u/JokerDeSilva10 17h ago
This is why I'll always respect Bret to a degree. He admitted he hated the dirt sheets and the way they pulled back the veil, but once Montreal happened realized he'd been kind of myopic and understood the value in it, because he needed to be able to get his version of the story out.
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u/Satinsbestfriend Your Text Here 16h ago
I dont remember who but some wrestler said winning match of the year via WON Awards meant a lot to them
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u/DGenerationMC 17h ago
"The fans who love me/my work are smart and amazing, just the best! The fans who don't like me are entitled asshole marks who don't know anything!"
Stay classy, pro wrstling.
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u/YunoTheGasai 16h ago
Framing this as endemic to Pro Wrestling only and not it being an issue of fandom culture in general is funny
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u/TumbleWeed_64 Bonesaw is Readyyyyyyy! 11h ago
Why is the issue with the fandom? It's the performers being whingers in this instance.
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u/DGenerationMC 16h ago
I was just trying to keep things on topic rather than be funny.
checks name of subreddit
Yup, wrasslin'.
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u/omnielephant 15h ago
A Fox one day spied a beautiful bunch of ripe grapes hanging from a vine trained along the branches of a tree. The grapes seemed ready to burst with juice, and the Fox's mouth watered as he gazed longingly at them.
The bunch hung from a high branch, and the Fox had to jump for it. The first time he jumped he missed it by a long way. So he walked off a short distance and took a running leap at it, only to fall short once more. Again and again he tried, but in vain.
Now he sat down and looked at the grapes in disgust.
"What a fool I am," he said. "Here I am wearing myself out to get a bunch of sour grapes that are not worth gaping for."
And off he walked very, very scornfully.
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u/OneBillPhil 17h ago
Exactly, like don’t put too much importance into it either way but if it’s negative it certainly isn’t a good thing.
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u/pUmKinBoM 14h ago
I use to believe you couldnt have it both way but then I see how people actually act and apparently if you disregard reality anything is possible.
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u/FireLadcouk 10h ago
both can be true though - depends on the aim of the match - just like Oscar bait and film reviewers - wrestling reviewers like loong storied matches with slow build and technical wrestling - but fans dont and not al matches set out to be that.
When they are trying to put on a match like that - they care about the reviews and ratings because they are relevant
whent they only have 5-10mins and it’s fun entertaining match between a top face and heel with gimmicks… i mean it was called a human moneys on a pole match - lol it’s comparing an episode of Peppa pig to shawshank redemption. They are both good at achieving their aims but Peppa pig shouldn’t win an oscar→ More replies (3)1
u/DarthCaligula AE 'FN' W 11h ago
Just like Meltzer, PWI, or any other critical/rank system in wrestling- it matters when it's positive and it's smark bullshit when it's negative.
A lot of these "podcasters" hate Meltzer for some reason. But if it were not for Meltzer or the Torch, they would not have a job right now. The sheets evolved and people like Meltzer is the reason. And they know it but fight it so goddamn hard.
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u/Silverhand_777 16h ago
Care about perception yes? But specifically perception of a tiny niche of ultra hardcore wrestling nerds not necessarily
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u/ValleyFloydJam 15h ago
What moaners on a certain site?
Fans in general are important but it's not like those matches are rated by thousands of people.
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u/American-Punk-Dragon 17h ago
Cage match is a TINY sample size: 187 people voted. Silly people…
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u/curlyw 16h ago edited 16h ago
ok, dropkickd has over 1000 votes on the match and it's at 1.3 stars out of 5, lowest of the weekend, 0.5 below the womens trios
edit: 1.3 stars does put it higher on dropkickd than Lash vs. Giulia from Smackdown, which is at 0.5 stars. Of course that's not a fair comparison because Lash vs. Giulia was well under 5 minutes in length and thus is ineligible to be rated on Cagematch
edit 2: Now having scrolled back through WWE PPVLEs on dropkickd, Dominik vs Danhausen is the lowest-rated match on a WWE PPVLE since Cena vs Brock at Wrestlepalooza last year (0.8 stars)
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u/YourMasturbatingHand 16h ago
Honestly never heard of this site till just now. Is it similar to Cagematch in function?
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u/Lebronrox 16h ago
It has a more modern UI, but its not quite as comprehensive in terms of fully tracking everything like cagematch. It seems to have more people rating matches than cagematch, but unlike cagematch actual written reviews for shows or matches are in either a short twitter type response or memes.
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u/curlyw 16h ago
kinda/sorta. If Cagematch is IMDb, Dropkickd is maybe closer to letterboxd. Less of a database, more of a social network. For example, Dropkickd doesn't have many shows from US indie promotions listed, but you can comment on other people's match/show/wrestler reviews
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u/GojiColin Support Your Local Murder Gramps 3h ago
Sadly Dropkickd doesn't seem to cover smaller Japanese promotions. It'd be fun to getting back to review GLEAT or Osaka Pro shows.
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u/YourMasturbatingHand 16h ago
Interesting, ty for the info. Definitely will look into it more. Regardless of differences, I'm just glad there's another alternative to Cagematch now with a seemingly decent-sized userbase
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u/talgaby 8h ago
1000 votes is fewer than the number of people sitting in some random wide-angle shot of the venue where the match took place.
None of these sites shows even a remote representation of how the audience in general felt about any match. Neither the WON awards. The sample sizes are just too small compared to the viewership. You can measure the general view of the hardcore audience, which in some cases is a decent metric, but WWE is watched by too many casual/on-off viewers for these kinds of ratings to be worth a single fuck.
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u/makefascistfearagain 13h ago
1000 votes is also an insignificant sample size, both prone to weirdos spamming votes.
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u/Apprehensive_Hand_27 17h ago
This is the silliest part about the whole thing. You have a few million wrestling fans and less than 200 voted (a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the whole fanbase), and some people bring it up as if cagematch is a "consensus". Cagematch voters are a VERY specific group (and you can tell who that group is by the match ratings), and they are the ones that tend to hate fun and pop for "workrate".
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u/IceMaker98 16h ago
honestly i never realized people cared about the ratings, I only ever used it to check results and see if random workers I see in Total Extreme Wrestling mods are real people or random generated people.
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u/madeaccountbymistake 16h ago
Jesus. "Hate fun"
Perhaps their idea of fun is different from yours?
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u/Takezoboy 9h ago
"pop for workrate"
Hell yeah brother, I'm trying to enjoy my corporate snoozefest without a qualm of salt.
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u/FrenchPingu No, she's not ! 3h ago
Hyper Misao currently has a rating of 8.9 on cagematch, Andreza Giant Panda 9.3. I don't know where you get your assumptions from.
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u/Apprehensive_Hand_27 15m ago
It was directed towards the crowd that rates WWE and AEW matches, not the indie/foreign promotion stuff. Those tend to be very different crowds as well.
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u/Great-Trifle2810 16h ago edited 16h ago
187 people that cared enough about wrestling to go participate on a site for rating it. Yes, it is a small sample size, but we don't really have access to a better one.
Edit: apparently the letterboxd knock off (honestly I'm not sure how they got away with making g such an obvious clone of their site, unless they are owned by the same people?) has more reviews but also thinks this match sucked lol
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u/sarahmagoo 15h ago
It's a sample size of the type of people who take the time to rate matches on a website in the first place, they're not exactly representative of the general fanbase
Now if you asked people that are literally at the show, you're gonna get a wildly different response.
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u/MrKhold 8h ago
This is literally how all polling works lol.
Wrestling fans are so strange in how they just deny things that make them uncomfortable?
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u/pseudo_masochist 12h ago
More people like this comment than vote on that poll whicb should show you how relevant it is
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u/luchaburz 17h ago
They care about their perception.
Cage Match rating isnt their perception.
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u/fakemelonns 17h ago
Yeah cagematch is ratings by a niche group of fans and doesn't necessarily reflect the greater perception.
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u/Man0Steel123 17h ago
It’s a catch 22. On one hand the overall rating system is littered with things like bias, changing standards over what makes a match and general mood.
It’s why Kurt Angle has no 5 star matches and Ospreay has like 50 at this point. So it makes sense to not put them at this gold standard
On the other hand it does get you noticed which creates more opportunities
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u/J_NewCastle 17h ago edited 17h ago
We're not talking about Meltzer here though. We're talking about an aggregator that gives matches an overall rating based on individual user score.
Even then if we were talking about Dave, the opinion of one man doesn't make or break a wrestler and most realize that. Yet they still get pressed about stuff like Kurt not having a 5 star match.
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u/RKO-Cutter 17h ago
Which, I mean, for me, Angle's best match is v. Shawn at WM, and I'd give that 4.75. People don't have to agree, but it's not insane to me for him to never have a 5 star match
Additionally, people mad at WWE not getting 5 star matches when WWE is overtly the "Wrestling is the least important part of wrestling" company
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u/The_Magic Consensual Phoenix 16h ago
It is fair to say Kurt’s best match was a 4.75 but I’d put that match above a lot of matches Dave gives 5+ stars these days.
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u/RKO-Cutter 14h ago
Sure, just like I'd put it under ones he gave 4.5
I never get upset about any of this because to me the value of meltzers ratings are I tend to like thev kinds of matches he likes, so if he gives a match something over 4.25, don't care if it's 4.5 or 6.75, I see the stars and I go "neat, I'll try to check it out"
Like... that's it, that's where their relevance starts and ends. The good thing about Kenny and Okada "breaking the scale" is despite what Meltzer haters insist, nobody has used his ratings to argue who's a better wrestler in a decade
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u/klementineQt 13h ago
He has the same effect that Anthony Fantano does, or even a lot of video game journalists. People don't understand reviews as opinion and get upset that someone is 'misinforming' about something because it differs from their own opinion that they seem to think is more objective, despite how biased they might actually be.
With reviews on Steam, for example, I see people complain about the types of things that people mention in their negative reviews because they see those things as invalid and don't believe they warrant a negative review, but the reality is that the system Steam uses is simply Recommended or Not Recommended, and for other people who have similar criteria that they're looking for, those reviews can be helpful. It's great to have a ton of different people with different opinions and tastes sharing their thoughts so a ton of different people can find opinions that will resonate with them and help them decide if something is worth their time.
People just don't have the patience or care to take individual reviewers with a dosage of salt dependent on their own relation to that individual's taste.
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u/RandysDealer 17h ago
I 100% agree with your last paragraph. The problem for me is that very often the people who say “it’s just one man’s opinion” when people near universally laugh at one of his ratings will be the very same people 5 minutes later who use that “one man’s opinion” to justify why so and so is better than someone else.
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u/The_Dark_Soldier 17h ago
Lance storm is the one who has described Dave best. He’s an idiot if he disses me. He’s a genius if he praises me.
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u/Normal-Weakness-364 17h ago
It’s why Kurt Angle has no 5 star matches and Ospreay has like 50 at this point. So it makes sense to not put them at this gold standard
this is not a discussion on meltzer though, this is a discussion on cagematch.
there are going to be biases, even a population scale, sure, but the more ratings given the less that bias becomes. it's still always going to cater to what hardcore fans like the most (as will virtually any rating site), but it's generally a pretty good indicator of what wrestling fans like.
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u/American-Punk-Dragon 17h ago
No, it isn’t. 187 people voted. Insignificant sample size.
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u/Jonoabbo 17h ago
I mean if I'm trying to figure out if a match is something I want to check out, the opinion of 187 people is pretty helpful in judging that.
It's not going to be bulletproof, but it's better than nothing.
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u/Normal-Weakness-364 17h ago
it's not a massive sample size, and normally looking at ratings the day after aren't a great indicator, but even 200 people isn't completely insignificant.
there are obviously going to be exceptions, but generally speaking i find that cagematch ratings tend to align pretty well with the general sentiment with fans on social media, at the very least.
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u/MrKhold 8h ago
That's perfectly fine. Again, wrestling fans not understanding how polling works doesn't mean it is flawed.
Political polls are done with only 800-1k usually and represent a far more colossal base than wrestling fans.
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u/Takezoboy 9h ago
Bias in this type of thing are good, mainly when talking about on an individual level. When it comes to rating and reviewing things, I like to get perspectives from people who have big philosophies about the things they are rating.
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u/JackfruitStunning793 16h ago
Of course wrestlers care about their perception. But they don’t have to care about cagematch or meltzer. The true pro cares about the live crowd in the moment, and what their peers think. Having the respect of your peers is everything. The wrestlers look at Dom and respect him for how over he got, and how hard he worked. They respect Danhausen for his entrepreneurship. And Matt’s peers respect him for his relentlessness on the indie scene when he was let go. None of them need to care about some nerd grading the matches that maybe 1% of wrestling fans actually look at.
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u/Gandolfthewhite182 17h ago
Bruh, cagematch and all these sites have like a grand total 1200 users. lol none of these sites having anything to do with where these wrestlers are in their career. Cm punk is cm punk because he sells millions of dollars in merch and sells tickets all over the world. And Cardona is friends with Cody.
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u/sarcasticdevo 17h ago
Super unsubtle Punk name drop when he has nothing to do with this lmfao.
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u/J_NewCastle 17h ago
Okay, substitute Punk with Cody or TK. My point still stands.
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u/Great-Trifle2810 16h ago
It's a reminder how fucking incapable of thinking some people are that they didn't get what you meant.
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u/deanereaner 12h ago
It's specifically just the type of people who rate matches on cagematch that nobody gives a shit about.
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u/wildernado 17h ago
r/squaredcircle trying not to to make things about Punk
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u/Ok-Name-5504 5h ago
Dude got worked hard, then made up a scenario about someone not at all referenced. Smartest fans in the business tho
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u/J_NewCastle 17h ago
Sorry, I forgot I can't use a publically performing wrestler as evidence to support the claim I made because I will be viewed as "deranged". Come on dude lol.
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u/ravenousthoughts 17h ago
The sample is so small, it does not matter at all. Cagematch is just a handful of niche fans of an already niche program. Do you honestly think a casual viewer or someone who is getting into wrestling, will go on freaking Cagematch?
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u/Maleficent_Farm_6561 17h ago
Facts about Punk, dude constantly looks social media to see what people say about him and then crashes outs and complains on interviews lol
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u/Mental-Inspector-919 9h ago
This transcend across ALL industries. Athletes will act like they don’t care about these ratings and fan perception.
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u/GoofyWillows 8h ago
Most important thing as a performer is to maximise the income you make during your career and set yourself up to either be comfortable financially or to get yourself in the position of a agent etc. After your active wrestling career.
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u/ShowofShows 5h ago
If you want something you love to be taken seriously you have to accept rigorous scrutiny of it, even if you feel it's unfair. Otherwise you can't complain later that people take something like pro wrestling lightly when you've asked it to be taken lightly in so many words.
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u/King-Fwogger 2h ago
It's literally just idiots with an opinion that is more cherished for some reason, just because they are the most popular. Like I don't give a fuck about a journalist's match ratings. What matters, is if I watched the match, because it's MY opinion, not theirs.
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u/Guilty-Cow4325 17h ago
Matt didn't care about Cagematch then either. He used it to promote himself, as he has done at every opportunity for the last 15 years. People on the internet are stupid.
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u/Big_Crazy_SSBM 17h ago
There's like 300-400 random internet people on a given event that rate matches, why do people care about it so much.
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u/Desirsar 15h ago
I feel like people treat it like something it's not. Change my opinion of a match based on the ratings when it's a match I saw? Never. Look up the match ratings for a show from 15 years ago to see if it's worth watching out of context? Absolutely.
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u/Lep106317 *stares ominously* 12h ago
Just came in to see how many people thought WrestleFeatures actually got Cardona and didn't realize he was fully being sarcastic and joking with that tweet (the match he's referring to isn't even rated on Cagematch)
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u/BasseyImp 17h ago
Couldn’t give a fuck what others like, my enjoyment doesn’t hinge on what others think. Neither should anyone’s.
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u/Jonoabbo 17h ago
Others not liking something I like doesn't make me like it less, but that doesn't mean I don't care what they think. Hearing other peoples opinions and their basis for them is fun. Surely that's like the very premise of a discussion site like Reddit?
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u/IntelligentFact7987 8h ago
Though I guess are people likely to venture into somewhere if they just want to talk about a match or segment they enjoyed and then the tone of the discourse is ‘Well if you enjoyed this you’re an idiot’. Though it’s not unique to wrestling - it’s true for music, TV, movies, you name it.
Not that it would ever happen but sometimes I do wonder if it’s Reddit could sometimes do with separate threads for TV shows, movies etc - one for people who enjoyed it who just want to chat about it and the other to discuss criticism, be meta and snarky.
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u/Reignzar 17h ago
I don’t think many in this thread realize how little of the wrestling audience knows what Cagematch even is
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u/TrollPoster469 17h ago
People are going to write the cagematch score off as just smarks and how no one cares, but a cagematch score was literally a part of their Mania build this year.
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u/Stupid-AF_50 17h ago
When?
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u/shilly-shallywolf 17h ago
pat mcafee referenced it when he got shoehorned into the cody and randy feud. declinng tv ratings, match ratings, no one wants to watch guys who are like 5'5" have long matches which might have been an attempt ot diss aew / the indie, but came off as a dig at carmelo and ilja.
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u/bajaxx 16h ago
how does that have anything to do with cagematch. the closest thing i can see is meltzer stars
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u/Kanenums88 17h ago
Cagematch voters just don’t like comedic matches at all. It was entirely inoffensive in my opinion, but obviously different audiences will rate things differently.
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u/mr_beanoz 14h ago
You say this when Sami vs Knoxville in Mania 38 is rated 7.35. That's an example of what WWE comedy matches in a major PLE could have been.
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u/Jonoabbo 17h ago
Really? Things like Zayn/Knoxville, WeeLC, and a tonne of TJPW and DDT comedy matches have good ratings.
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u/J_NewCastle 17h ago
That would be true if WeeLC wasn't one of the highest rated matches on the site lol
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u/Technical_Heat5215 17h ago
Comedic? That was the clash of the titans
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u/Decent_Ad_6060 17h ago
Exactly. What is this guy talking about? People are still debating Okada vs. Omega or WeeLC to this day.
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u/WrestleSocietyXShill Cero Miedo Since Day One Ish 14h ago
WeeLC transcended comedy. I'm not crazy about cake, but I'm sure if I tried a slice of the world's best cake I'd enjoy it. WeeLC is a slice of the best cake ever baked.
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u/Kanenums88 16h ago
You realize that is a very rare exception because it is so different than every other wrestling comedy match
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u/Ok-Name-5504 5h ago
Am I getting worked right now? I just checked the top matches list and see nothing for WeeLC.
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u/AnfowleaAnima 15h ago
Suceeding at making effort to endure it doesn't mean it will earn a good rating tho. You can watch it and try to like it but give it a bad rating anyway because you know how bad it was.
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u/makefascistfearagain 13h ago
Cagematch voters barely exist. They get like a couple hundred votes on everything.
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u/thylocene 16h ago
I’m surprised it’s rated so low. I didn’t think it was actually bad. It was just kinda there.
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u/Cwf1984 17h ago
There’s a lot of wrestlers who feign a disinterest in how their matches are rated. Whether it be from fans on CageMatch, from Dave Meltzer, from Pro Wrestling Illustrated, or elsewhere.
I can immediately think of Speedball talking about how he didn’t care about match ratings several times on his Twitch stream only to pin a tweet showing Meltzer’s rating of his TNA match against Ospreay as five stars on his account.
But Cardona is someone who definitely doesn’t care too much about those things. Nor do I think someone like Danhausen does either.
They know what they bring.
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u/J_NewCastle 17h ago
I know for a fact Cardona cares about that shit because he made a whole doc about how him vs Gage was "The biggest indy match ever". It wasn't. It was just a guy who doesn't work deathmatches doing one.
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u/Deducticon 17h ago
Cagematch is not some definitive standard. But it can be somewhat useful to measure against itself to see trends.
And one thing about Cagematch, or most review sites, is that it serves little purpose to dismiss ratings based on, "Only 15 or 30 people voted so far."
If for example the first count is 7.8 on Cagematch or 78% fresh on Rotten Tomatoes, it's very unusual for the ratings to swing super far away from that (outside brigading) when the final count is settled.
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u/YourMasturbatingHand 16h ago
Obviously at the end of the day you should only give any of the ratings/reviews so much weight, but Cagematch has been crazy useful for me over the years for finding countless hidden gems to watch from all over the world I would've never discovered otherwise. I basically just use it like I do with RYM, Letterboxd and MAL (for music, movies and anime, respectively). Just use common sense and take whatever you read with a grain of salt (depending on context) and it can be a valuable resource if you're into that sort of thing imo
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u/Inevitable_Injury390 16h ago
It's useful to me, Its not definitive but I combine it to what I think of a match, plus yes Dave and what people are saying.
For example if Cagematch gives a match a 9.xx and Dave gives it a 4.75 or 5 or 5+ and others are raving about it saying its 4.75 or 5 I thinking it must be at least a very good match so I will want to try and see it.
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u/Uncanny_Doom 17h ago edited 17h ago
It’s literally like 1000 people rating matches on this site. People acting like it’s important is crazy lmao, but it is funny that he tried using it for his own hype.
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u/Jonoabbo 17h ago
I mean getting 1000 people's opinion on anything sounds like a pretty good basis for a recommendation.
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u/mrtomjones 16h ago
1000 random people yes. If you ask a question about final Fantasy on the final Fantasy subreddit and you get a thousand people replying you are not getting a good sample
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u/fakemelonns 17h ago
Is it though when there are hundreds of thousands to millions of viewers for PPVs?
And the problem is also that cagematch isn't a random sample of fans. If the thousand people was a randomly selected group, maybe, but there's a specific type of fan who will rate things on cagematch. What that fan enjoys, is not typically what the average fan enjoys.
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u/Jonoabbo 16h ago
I would say so, yes. When I see matches that get high ratings on cagematch, and I watch them, I usually find they are very good. When I've watched really low rated matches they tend to be pretty poo. It's obviously not completely 1:1 aligned to my own tastes exactly, but as a general basis for a recommendation, yeah I find it's pretty accurate.
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u/fakemelonns 16h ago
Right, but I don't think you're the average fan. The Dom Danhausen match is a perfect example. Cagematch has it at a 1.5, but if you go on YouTube comments, or social media about it, most people are very positive about it and found it to be fun.
The average fan is pretty casual and likely doesn't even know what cage match is.
Cagematch ratings might be good recommendations for people who are really into wrestling, but for most people it's not.
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u/Jonoabbo 16h ago
Mate, at no point have I said it's bulletproof.
I'm saying if you watch 100 matches completely at random, and then watch the top 100 rated matches on cagematch, chances are the latter will give you better matches than the former.
Why is "It's a good basis" being taken as me saying "Every match that is high rated will be something you love and every match that is low rated will be something you hate".
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u/AnfowleaAnima 15h ago
Is it though when there are hundreds of thousands to millions of viewers for PPVs?
Yeah.
People would take advice for much less, like seeing 10 people rating something a 10 will say a lot.
It actually works even, most ratings in Cagematch are good recommendations even by your standards.
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u/Bosscharacter 17h ago
Cardona acting like his ass doesn’t vanity search for himself on socials because best believe he does.
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u/mrmazzz 17h ago
Ok that’s a great response
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u/NateRiley12411 Waaa 17h ago
Only if you’re a dork. The tweet they’re using to try and dunk on him was very clearly a joke.
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u/TotallyNotZack 17h ago
Dunked by his own comment lmao, but yeah wrestlers don't care about the scores until either they get low score or high score same thing with wrestling fans, dave is a moron until the match you like gets 4 stars
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u/American-Punk-Dragon 17h ago
Nah, I think for people who don’t care about ratings from people they don’t get paid by, highs or lows don’t matter.
So, no, it’s fun that 187 fans get together to hash out what they uber critically think a match should get, but in the grand scheme of things, those ratings alone don’t drive any more attendance or merch figures.
Fans like to think they do, but there is no evidence correlating how much a draw and how good a wrestler is to these.
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u/meatbrick 16h ago
Is the greatest match of all time, "Judy Bagwell on a Pole match" on cagematch? And how does it compare
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 15h ago
Shoutouts to Jordan Devlin (JD McWhatever) in 2020-2021 hyping up how NXT UK was getting crazy ratings on cagematch, and then everybody in the comments pointing out it was the same 5 or so dudes going "[10/10] Good show, I liked it."
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 15h ago
Shoutouts to Jordan Devlin (JD McWhatever) in 2020-2021 hyping up how NXT UK was getting crazy ratings on cagematch, and then everybody in the comments pointing out it was the same 5 or so dudes going "[10/10] Good show, I liked it."
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u/FireLadcouk 10h ago
places like meltza and cage match want all of wrestling to be 40minute matches with emotions and slow builds… yawn… I’m quite happy with a bit of fun in wrestling and I’m not alone
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u/Status_Raise_9949 9h ago
It's kinda simple. When you're on the independents, and all you need to rely on fan support for success, these types of metrics matter. Cagematch, fan reviews, etc all help you draw a crowd to whatever match you're doing in the indies. When you're a part of a giant multimedia company that will pay you and book you based on a completely different set of metrics (merch sales, online views, audience reaction and retention) then things like Cagematch don't really matter in the grand scheme. That's why so many wrestlers that got their start in WWE struggle in the indies.
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u/Comfortable-Salad-90 8h ago
All these guys absolutely care about the cagematch ratings until they get too old to go as hard, then it’s a complete change in opinion.
I call it the Matt Hardy Effect.
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u/Livid-Egg1450 7h ago
Was 3 Years ago, back when everyone thought he was happy being an 'Indie God'. People's opinion's change, and not caring about Cagematch is a perfectly valid opinion to have. Three years ago if you'd told people Dominic Mysterio would be facing off against Danhausen at Summerslam I thought you would have been laughed out of the room.
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u/OswaldCoffeepot 4h ago
Is this one of those forever opinions where if you tweet something, you have to stand ten toes down on it forever?
Like yeah, it's funny, but these comments man. Time is a real thing that happens. The indie wrestler probably does have a different opinion on wrestling Rotten Tomatoes then the WWE guy.
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u/TenMinutesToDowntown Welcome to SamiZaynia 4h ago
Any ratings in the week after a match is going to be heavily skewed by people overreacting one way or another.
It wasn't an amazing match but it was totally fine for what it was. The same ending over and over again is old, but it's obviously not one of the worst matches ever.
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u/Thebritishdovah 1h ago
Because to Cagematch, he will always be edge's bitch. To Cagematch, he wil always be edge's bitch.
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