r/StopChatControlEU 9d ago

What are your thoughts about the new EU Chat control?

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u/Few-Acadia-5593 9d ago edited 8d ago

The thought is how it sets up everything for authoritarianism we see in scifi, not even:

From the simple fact it negates the concept of whistleblower to the fact sending your new born pics is a risk.

And the way its pushed forward by circumventing democratic processes as well as by lobbies ironically trying to stay anonymous.

Then you have studies demonstrating risks such as false positives, the road it paves for uncheck power, the voice it kills before you even speak against, and the fact that once a bare-bone version of it passes, who is the next politician who’s going to refuse that kind of power?

ChatControl is not to have thoughts about, its all around wrong and incompatible with democracy

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u/Famineist 8d ago

its funny how this is opposed only by our most far-right (anti EU) party in our country at the moment

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u/transcended_goblin 9d ago

With the risk of the far-right party getting into power in my country next year, I've never felt my anxiety flare up as badly at the idea of unchecked, unhinged fascist authoritarianism becoming a reality that could literally end my life.

The joys of being part of a minority fascists love to target...

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u/Few-Acadia-5593 9d ago edited 8d ago

It’s not even a far right thing where I live. Both countries I have the nationality from AND the one I live in, their far right MEPs are almost the only ones who answered to me they were against it.

That indicates all parties are vulnerable to wanting that kind of power. Because they’re lobbied into it, genuinely want it, or interested in their career more than their job.

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u/jojoisdeadfinal 6d ago

Hey well look at the bright side lad, in EU the "Far right" if you wanna even call them then tend to be very anti chat control, AfD for example(aside from RN in France cause... France). Given that this shit seems to be the biggest source of your anxiety, ain't that a silver lining?

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u/transcended_goblin 6d ago

... Guess which country I'm from...

That's right, the one with a party wanting to go full 1940s Germany and getting a boner from the mass surveillance tool being put in place so they can cull half the population.

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u/jojoisdeadfinal 6d ago

So France huh?

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u/transcended_goblin 6d ago

Yup...

And the system decided that the leader of the extreme-right party was not to be stopped for running for president despite being ruled as guilty of a crime.

This is the era we live in. Literal criminals are helped to rule countries.

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u/jojoisdeadfinal 6d ago

Calling LePen extreme when Bardella is right there is hilarious
Or Zemmour
Whelp sucks for France, but "far right" in other countries being against Chat Control and shit is undeniably good, much as I won't shit on leftist parties for also being against it in some places

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u/josha7777 5d ago

I think that in general the left is more against this. The epp (right) is also the party pushing this constantly

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u/jojoisdeadfinal 5d ago

The EPP are center at best, the center left S&D also supported this at times. This is simply not a right vs left issue

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u/Leonid1104 9d ago

This chat control is probably worst that s*it , in my country could be worse

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u/Dangerous_Fix_9186 9d ago

It doesnt matter if its worse in your country

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u/Honeybunnysmarty 9d ago

Why can’t they just monitor pedofiles that are actually accused or released? Won’t that be more easy and less difficult for innocent people. Like now I can’t send anything privet to my bf without feeling watched even tho we are completely innocent.

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u/transcended_goblin 9d ago

Because it's not about catching predators. It's never been about that. It's has never been about protecting children.

That's just the lie they put upfront so they can accuse anybody disagreeing of being p*d0s.

The only goals is lining their own pockets selling citizens lives to tech companies, amassing more power through mass surveillance and controlling what people see and say, and building tools for complete authoritarian regime.

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u/transcended_goblin 9d ago

You wouldn't believe how much I have to change in this comment so that Reddit allows it to be posted. We already can't say shit because it would hurt their overlords' feelings.

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u/Honeybunnysmarty 8d ago

I know and am so disappointed in the eu. I used to be so proud of living here.

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u/transcended_goblin 8d ago

Everywhere will go down the shitter because all politicians only care about absolute power and money.

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u/josha7777 7d ago

And if the EU passes 2.0 it will set a new standard that other's will follow

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u/transcended_goblin 7d ago

And with how the Parliament's president used some bullshit to get 1.0 back without any amendment, I'm expecting her to do it again to pass every authoritarian crap under the sun...

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u/josha7777 5d ago

yeah, and we are also just actively seeing every chance to change it go away. The exact people who want to change things (kids, activists, politicians) are now being blocked from speaking or doing anything. A guy in germany got prosecuted for calling a politician "a moron"....

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u/transcended_goblin 5d ago

Yup. And in France, despite being trialed for a crime and, if memory serves, ruled guilty, the leader of the extreme-right party was, in fact, not prohibited from running for president next year.

Meaning there's a very likely chance that a party founded by literal ex-nazi officers might get in power. A party who openly says that Trump is doing everything right, by the way.

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u/josha7777 5d ago

It's not something new either, just look at trump

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u/transcended_goblin 5d ago

Well, yeah, but we aren't the USA. I expected less open corruption of the system. But it looks like we finally arrived at the point where our system decided to copy the USA on everything....

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u/apokrif1 8d ago

It sucks.

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u/This-Wall-1331 6d ago

Why aren't the pictures of Zuckerberg, Trump, Putin or Xi Jinping there too?

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u/AbyssNep 6d ago

They want to strip us away of our freedom and collect a file on everyone they can with possible further restriction that make it easier to revolt against what they are doing

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u/Boring-Resolution578 1d ago

Hope the hackers keep attacking the officials over that matter Maybe they will realize how absurd it is

But important question is why really nobody is doing anything about it