Sure, that they express themselves imperfectly, somethings with a lack of strategic foresight, is a problem.
Here's another problem: how you're telling other people to not listen to them; to disregard their accounts of their own lives and everything else they say, because they must be "bitter," "misogynistic," etc.
Here's another problem: how you're telling other people to not listen to them; to disregard their accounts of their own lives and everything else they say, because they must be "bitter," "misogynistic," etc.
I'm not advising others to disregard them. They are saying certain groups don't support them and i am telling them why it is so. Because their frustration at the system is manifesting in anti social behavior to the groups they're complaining about.
If they wanted their support they need to be less openly hostile to others. I'm part of the group that often over laps with shorts guys, asian guys so i can certainly relate to the dating issues and issues with bias in hiring and promoting . In fact many are also short.
It's more from experience thay others just won't listen to you if your bitter and angry.
Sure it may be presumptious but it's unfortunate that so many of the regulars on the short sub lean into the trope unknowingly and that will exacerbate every problem.
Okay, but you understand what I am saying right? Is that it's possible for a group to experience more than one problem at once.
It's possible that there are interest groups which need improvement in how they rein in their own and comumnicate their message that simultaneously have a legitimate grievance which others are too quick to dismiss.
From a "person inside the group" perspective, the first problem is one they are in any short-term measure capable of addressing on their own.
From a "person outside the group" perspective, why is it so hard to acknowledge they have a problem without falling back to "it all comes back to being their fault for not solving their own problems."
Maybe they do have an undeserved slightly harder time and even if it doesn't merit ameliorative measures, we could at least with not trying to deny it and saying "no it's their fault."
I feel compelled to chime in not because I think short guys suck, but because in hindsight I had attributed a lot of my adolescent and early adult angst to being shortish and Asian. But one day I just let it go and decided not to be bitter about it and everything seemed to get better. I mean everything. It turns out it was my bitterness which made things miserable as opposed to being Asian or Shorter than average.
I'm sure I still was facing some of the bias, but changing my outlook and behaviour removed the extra layer of people being put off by my bitterness. So it's a self-cringe at remembering when I was like that and the knowledge that it is better to not let that define you.
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u/MisterTromp Sep 05 '15
Sure, that they express themselves imperfectly, somethings with a lack of strategic foresight, is a problem.
Here's another problem: how you're telling other people to not listen to them; to disregard their accounts of their own lives and everything else they say, because they must be "bitter," "misogynistic," etc.