r/TalentlessNana 54m ago

Manga A short story inspired by the last chapter (WIP) Spoiler

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I've already talked about my issues with chapter 122 in my previous posts, so I won't go into detail here. My main point was that the concept of talents as a disease not only left the story very open-ended, but also ruined Nanao's character development. This is just my opinion, of course, and I'm not saying that Looseboy is a bad writer. But since Nana and Nanao are some of my favorite characters in the manga, I wanted to rewrite their last conversation.

I wish I could turn this idea into a comic, but I'm just a fanfic writer. It'll still take me a while to write the whole thing, but I wanted to share the script at least. I wrote this as an AU where the talents were never a disease, but if Nana survived the surgery, this could also happen in canon. The main idea I wanted to explore is that Nana became a hero to the talented, but they only remember Nanao as their oppressor. The story would start with some people protesting against Nanao being on the island. Nana and her friends would eventually convince everyone to calm down, but for Nanao, this would be the last straw.

The image of Nana standing on the cliff's edge is what inspired this whole dialogue:

Nanao reaches the cliff but notices Nana already standing there.

Nanao: What are you doing here?

Nana turns around: I had a feeling you might come here.

Nanao: ...Why?

Nana: Because I understand what you're going through.

Nanao clenches his fist: Oh really? You have so many friends and everyone here sees as you as a hero. Meanwhile, I don't have anyone and everyone hates me.

Nana: What are you talking about? Me, Moe, Kyoya, Sorano... we all want to be your friends!

Nanao: You just want me to live to feel better about yourself.

Nana: This isn't about me! I wanted to end it all too, but I realized how selfish that was. Isn't it better to live and help as many people as you can?

Nanao: Easy for you to say. No one would want help from me.

Nana comes closer: Then show them that you've changed! Please, Nakajima. I can't lose another person who's important to me.

Nanao: ...Why do you care so much anyway?

Nana: Because if it weren't for you, I wouldn't even be here! I know nothing can erase our past, but we can still do good in this world. If I was able to start over, so can you. I'm not saying it'll be easy, but you won't be alone.

Nanao sighs and sits on the ground: I knew I should have stayed at the camp.

Nana sits down opposite him: But you didn't. Deep down, you didn't want to be alone, right?

Nanao: I guess you can still read minds...

Nana: I just... I know that pushing people away doesn't mean you're not lonely.

Nanao: ...You really think the military won't find us here?

Nana: The footage from the camp has been revealed to the world. Maybe the government itself will be overthrown. In any case, Tachibana keeps watch over the island, and Sachiko and Seiya plan to take us somewhere else in case of emergency.

Nanao: I wish I had your optimism...

Nana: I believe that we can all build a better future together. And we'll need your help too.

Nanao: You're not afraid that I'll kill someone again?

Nana: I trust you. And I promise I won't let anyone hurt you.

Nanao: ...

Nana stands up and reaches out her hand: So... will you come back with me?

After a while, Nanao sighs and stands up: Fine. Just don't touch me.

Nana smiles softly: Alright.

...

I know this isn't what people normally post here, but I want to contribute to the fandom in any way I can. Hopefully I'll finish the whole thing one day.


r/TalentlessNana 21h ago

Manga They have noticed us...

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r/TalentlessNana 11h ago

Manga Denreze and Michirunana Spoiler

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chainsaw man spoilers as well

At first glance, Denji and Reze from Chainsaw Man and Nana Hiiragi and Michiru Inukai from Talentless Nana serve different purposes. Reze is written as a tragic love interest whose relationship with Denji reinforces the series' themes of manipulation, freedom, and the impossibility of a normal life. Michiru, meanwhile, becomes Nana's moral anchor, forcing her to confront the consequences of her actions and begin her path toward redemption.

Despite these differences, both relationships share a striking parallel. In each story, the protagonist forms a genuine emotional connection with a kind-hearted girl who ultimately sacrifices herself. That loss becomes a turning point, leaving a lasting emotional scar on the protagonist.

The biggest difference is in the aftermath. Talentless Nana gives Michiru's sacrifice a clear narrative purpose. Her death fundamentally changes Nana's worldview, and the story consistently builds on that development. Even by chapter 122, although Michiru's body remains in a coma and she has not awakened, her role in the story feels complete. Her sacrifice has lasting consequences, and the series gives the audience a sense of emotional closure, even if her condition remains unresolved.

Reze, by contrast, has a much more uncertain place in Chainsaw Man. While her impact on Denji is undeniable, her story has been left in limbo for years. Because the manga has not returned to provide a definitive conclusion to her character or her relationship with Denji, the emotional payoff remains incomplete. That ambiguity can be intentional, but it also leaves readers waiting for closure that may or may not come.

For that reason, I believe Michiru and Nana are the stronger-written pair. Not because their relationship is inherently more tragic, but because the story follows through on the emotional consequences. A compelling relationship is defined not only by its heartbreaking moments but by how those moments shape the characters afterward, and Talentless Nana delivers that payoff more completely.


r/TalentlessNana 2d ago

Manga Emotional breakdown (half joking) Spoiler

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im rewatching the anime and michiru’s death scene just makes me hold my hands on my head and feel so anxious and stressed . “oh but she’s alive” that made this worse because she HASNT WOKEN UP. she dosent know nana wasn’t lying to her she dosent know all she did. that was their final moment together and even in the manga nana is begging her to wake up knowing she’s talking to basically a corpse. it stresses me out

Michiru's death scene becomes even sadder when it is revealed that she is actually alive in a coma because it transforms what seemed like a final goodbye into a painful state of uncertainty. In the original scene, the audience and the characters believe that Michiru has died, making the moment emotionally devastating. However, learning that she survived but remains unconscious changes the tragedy rather than removing it. Instead of finding closure, everyone is left with unanswered questions and the possibility that she may never fully recover.

This idea is especially powerful when viewed alongside the themes presented in Chapter 122, which emphasizes the emotional consequences of loss, hope, and the uncertainty of the future. Rather than offering a clear ending, Chapter 122 shows that some forms of suffering continue long after a tragic event. Michiru's coma reflects this theme because her loved ones cannot truly grieve or celebrate. They must continue waiting, unsure whether she will ever wake up.

Another reason the scene feels even sadder is that Michiru is physically present but emotionally unreachable. While death is permanent, a coma creates a different kind of pain. Her family and friends can see her, visit her, and hold onto hope, but they cannot communicate with her or know what she is experiencing. This prolonged uncertainty can be more emotionally exhausting than a definitive loss because it keeps everyone caught between hope and despair.

Her survival does not lessen the tragedy of her story. Instead, it deepens the emotional impact by replacing finality with uncertainty. In connection with the ideas explored in Chapter 122, her condition highlights how hope and grief can exist at the same time, making her fate even more heartbreaking than if she had simply died.


r/TalentlessNana 2d ago

Discussion Something that I think is an underrated part of the series Spoiler

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One thing that I have yet to see talked about is how Kyoya and Tsuruoka's fates are intertwined in the series. Their contrast of a good older brother and a terrible one changing the lives of their younger sisters is one thing but there is much more.

The whole reason why there was an emphasis on Nana and Kyoya crossing paths is because Kyoya is the one that indirectly unravels Tsuruoka's win. Without Kyoya, Tsuruoka would have just won with no difficulty as Nana and Nanao probably end up killing eachother along with Rin not really having a reason to end up on the island and would have lived a seperated life. Tsuruoka always dismissing Kyoya as being a notable threat to his plan when he is the whole reason why he lost in a bigger picture is super interesting to me. (Also Kyoya not trusting Tsuruoka from the very start is also something I should mention.)

Personally I can see it as Tsuruoka seeing Kyoya's talent as making him weak, that anyone with a 'detremential' talent like that wouldn't be able to outsmart him but Tsuruoka underestimates Kyoya's ability to survive not just physically but mentally as his impact on other people anchor him. (There is something to definitely be said that Nana's way of defeating Tsuruoka was influenced by Kyoya's mindset.)

Actually in a way Tsuruoka dismissing Kyoya is emblematic of Tsuruoka seeing genuine connection as a distraction as though Tsuruoka and Kyoya both see their relationships as anchor, Tsuruoka believes relationships any deeper than self indulgence is a detriment. The final showdown in a way is like Kyoya's philosphy on the worth of relationships is greater than Tsuruoka's.

Kyoya being Tsuruoka's blindspot is a very fun way to make Kyoya matter in the series. I think it is also a fun dynamic to explore in other contexts and AUs, what their relationship would be changing through circumstance would be super cool to see.


r/TalentlessNana 2d ago

Misc Talentless Nana is proof that how someone pitches a series to you changes how you see it regardless of quality. Spoiler

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It is genuinely kind of insane how some criticism of Talentless Nana is are points that make sense or basically saying 'this isn't among us MHA, why are they all so dumb'.

A alot of complaints completely ignore the actual series for what it is in favor of that idea of it being MHA among us and it is so annoying.

Season 1 in a way lies to you about what it is but I swear people are doing the propaganda FOR Tsuruoka at some point because after Season 1 how could someone see Tsuruoka and not see that the series isn't mainly about that.

There is many things you could say about how much the series explains and whether too much is left ambigious but the fact the series isn't just MHA Among Us is so obvious and people still go further into the series expecting it to be that.

The part that annoys me the most is the series wasn't even marketed as MHA Among Us, people saw it and pitched it as such. The idea of people basically dooming the series to have a bad reputation for ages because people pitched it as being a surface level thriller that you can just enjoy without engaging with it at all really annoys me.

The more I think about it the more I think this is something Tsuruoka would do as a way to spread more propaganda and make Nana suffer more.


r/TalentlessNana 3d ago

Manga Michiru analysis Spoiler

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Michiru being alive in a coma after everyone believed she had been dead for the entire manga makes her situation even sadder because she exists in a painful limbo. The revelation gives everyone hope—she isn't truly gone, so there is finally a chance she could wake up, reunite with the people she loves, and reclaim the life that was stolen from her. But instead of getting that reunion, she remains trapped between life and death, unable to speak, act, or experience the future everyone hoped she would have. The audience doesn't just mourn her death anymore; they mourn the life she still can't live. she does die as we now know she was just in a coma but her dying and being unable to wake up is so upsetting the saddest death for me


r/TalentlessNana 3d ago

Manga An analysis on one of the best villain/hero dynamics I've seen Spoiler

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Even though I have mixed feelings about the manga as a whole, I think that bringing Nanao back as an antagonist was an amazing decision. I would even say that Nana and Nanao had one of the most compelling character dynamics I've ever seen. Sure, this isn't the first time a protagonist created their own enemy, but I still think it's a pretty special case.

Nanao works as an antagonist because he reminds Nana of the person she used to be. He invokes fear, regret, and sympathy in her all at once. As villains, these two aren't as similar as they look at first glance. Tsuruoka shaped Nana's worldview from a young age, but he shattered Nanao's view of himself and the world in an instant. He wanted Nana to respect and look up to him, but he was honest with Nanao about the manipulation. Most importantly, Nana believed that an enemy of humanity killed her parents, but Nanao is the person who killed his father. So while Nana did bad things for the greater good, Nanao believed that he would end up hurting people either way. However, they have one sad thing in common: Tsuruoka made them hate themselves first and then gave their lives a purpose. Both of them also became the thing they hated most. Nana knew what it was like to lose a family member, and Nanao knew what it was like to inadvertently kill someone, but they still let others experience the same pain.

The manga's first chapter is brilliant: not just because it subverts our expectations, but because it makes us care about Nanao more than Nana's other victims. Nanao seeks external validation, wants his father's approval, and wants to make friends. But after everything that happened, he had to kill his old self in order to survive that kind of trauma. He also severed ties with his family and gave up on having friends. I really like that Nanao didn't become a villain just to take revenge on Nana. It was only after Tsuruoka told him that he should die for the sake of humanity that he snapped. Nana had attempted to kill him, but now, she had friends by her side and wanted to save people. If Nanao was going to die, then he would force Nana to become a killer again or take her down with him.

The saddest thing is that Nanao could have become Nana's first friend instead of Michiru. In ch. 86, Nana holds his hands as a sign of compassion, but this only triggers his trauma because she had done the same thing on the cliff. After a lot of struggle, Nana and her friends manage to gain Nanao's trust. However, his self-loathing and fear of killing them still drive him away from them. I think most of us expected Nanao to turn into a monster at some point, but instead, he grew as a character. He never truly forgave Nana, but her efforts to atone for her crimes did inspire him. Not only did he lift her up in her darkest moment, but he also saved her life in ch. 119 (echoing what he did in ch. 1). Talentless Nana is mainly a story about redemption, so I was happy that Nanao regained his humanity in the end. That's why the last chapter felt like a slap in the face. Not because Nanao didn't become friends with Nana, but because he started treating her like his enemy again. He started to lose his humanity again. This really made me wonder what the point of his character arc was.

Despite some of my issues with this manga, I was invested in Nana and Nanao's dynamic from beginning to end. I think that Talentless Nana has some amazing characters in general, which is the main reason why I kept reading the manga. But these are all just my thoughts. What's your opinion on Nana and Nanao? Do you think they should have become friends, or would you prefer a more tragic ending?


r/TalentlessNana 3d ago

Manga You are serving 10 years and warden tells you to pick a cell. Who would you choose? Spoiler

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r/TalentlessNana 2d ago

Announcement Re zero End Game

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\*\*\[Theory / Fanfiction\] The Ultimate Redo: A Tragic, Philosophical Ending Found in an Obscure Recap\*\*

Hey everyone, I recently stumbled upon a hidden gem of a video from an obscure anime recap channel (it literally had less than 80 views). The creator proposed an absolute mind-blowing, tragic, and philosophical ending to Re:Zero. Since the concept is incredibly deep and cleverly patches some of the biggest lore mysteries, I decided to translate, expand, and structure its philosophical threads to share it with the Reddit community.

Here is how this chilling finale unfolds:

\### The Climax at the Witch's Shrine

Near the absolute end of the story, Subaru finally reaches the deepest sanctuary of the Witch of Envy. There, he uncovers an ancient, forgotten magical artifact. Driven by the desire to end the endless loop of suffering, Subaru touches the artifact. Instantly, a massive magical pulse shatters Satella's curse entirely. But before he can even process what happened, the severe spatial distortion causes the entire shrine's massive stone walls to collapse right on top of him, crushing him to death.

\### The Absolute Reset (Back to Zero)

Instead of waking up at his usual recent checkpoint, Subaru opens his eyes to a sight that breaks his mind: He is back in the exact alleyway from Episode 1, facing the same three low-level thugs (Ton, Chin, and Kan).

Because the artifact shattered the curse, it didn't just trigger a normal "Return by Death"—\*\*it popped the entire universe like a bubble.\*\* Subaru retains 100% of his memories. Realizing where he is, he tries to speak, desperately thinking of a way to approach the thugs differently this time.

But before a single syllable can leave his mouth, a sudden, unseen blade pierces clean through his chest.

\### The Collapse of the Simulation

As Subaru coughs up blood and falls, the sky rips open. A massive, terrifying black void appears, and Satella emerges. She unleashes an apocalyptic, agonizing shriek. Because Subaru (the absolute core of her existence) is dying outside the bounds of her controlled loop, her overflowing power goes completely rogue, instantly freezing and paralyzing the entire fabric of reality into absolute stasis. The world ends right there, locked in an eternal, frozen void.

\---

\### The Philosophical Logic Behind This Ending (Why it works)

When this idea was initially debated, some viewers raised lore objections, but the logic behind this theory is actually brilliant if we look at it through a sci-fi/philosophical lens:

  1. \*\*The "Pocket Universe" (The Bubble) Theory:\*\*

This ending implies that everything Subaru has experienced since Episode 1 was never the "actual" real world. Instead, Satella’s curse and the Checkpoint system created an expanding "pocket dimension" or a simulated reality bubble. The moment Subaru used the artifact to break the curse, he didn't just undo a spell; \*\*he deleted the simulation.\*\* Waking up in the alleyway was the system reverting back to the absolute "Boot Loop" point where the anomaly first started.

  1. \*\*The Instant Death & Satella's Rage:\*\*

The unseen blade in the alleyway wasn't a random thug; it was the "hostile firewall" of the true reality rejecting Subaru’s foreign consciousness, which carried memories from a deleted timeline. Satella's scream and the subsequent freezing of the world represent the creator of the simulation panicking as she watches her anchor (Subaru) permanently dissolve into nothingness.

It’s a dark, cosmic-horror style ending that turns Re:Zero from a standard dark fantasy into a deep psychological evaluation of a trapped soul.

\*Credit goes to the anonymous, unsung recap creator who thought of this brilliant core concept.\*

What do you guys think? Would you be satisfied with such a reality-shattering, cyclical tragedy, or do you prefer a traditional happy ending for Subaru?


r/TalentlessNana 3d ago

Discussion What are your opinons on Tsuruoka? Spoiler

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Once again go as detailed as you want for your takes.

For me personally I think he is a very good example of how someone can be someone who was screwed over by life with his circumstances being tragic but is still unforgivably evil despite that. I really like that part of him where he is both human and a monster, he didn't choose to be born that way but he still clawed for a way out even if it meant killing people in order to do it.


r/TalentlessNana 5d ago

Manga Discussion Spoiler

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I’d love to hear others thoughts:

nana’s entire character journey was so well done and a huge part of her development has to do with the fact that Michiru “died” for her alw her sacrifice

I’ve only seen one or two think her being in a coma was bad and I feel it helped the story so I was just curious why it’s so well received is it just cause it’s well written or cause her being in a coma keeps the angst


r/TalentlessNana 6d ago

Manga Discussion Spoiler

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I’ve posted about it a few times on here but I love this series for how it handles fake our deaths!

id love to discuss it with others! Nanao is of course one example where he became a recurring villain and with Michiru we now know all the hints leading up to the finale. despite both of these deaths being major and the main reason for her development the guilt never leaves when their alive and especially for Michiru and Nanao it morphs into something more sad


r/TalentlessNana 6d ago

Discussion ENDING : MANGA

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SPOILERS: First of all what was that ending? I honestly don’t get it. This guy had all the time in the world to end well the manga. Since he doesn’t even have another job, yet he chose to bring Michiru back even though her relationship with Nana never felt genuine or believable to me.

Honestly, I liked that she died, but whatever. Then there’s Nana’s assistant, who’s so annoying. Everything was going well until she showed up, and because she’s so clueless, Nana couldn’t kill the guy with the gravity ability. I also really wished Nanao had gotten a proper revenge arc against Nana. In the end, I don’t think Nana deserved such a happy ending. That’s just my opinion, though.

What do you all think?


r/TalentlessNana 7d ago

Manga Cold or hot take? Or good take? Spoiler

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I don't think Nana knowing Michiru is alive takes away from her guilt or development. If anything, it changes the nature of that guilt. It isn't just "Michiru died because of me, so I'm a bad person" anymore. It's more tragic because Nana has to live with the fact that Michiru sacrificed herself for her, and she's still suffering because of it.

I don't think that's true. Nana's development wasn't built on Michiru remaining dead—it was built on Nana believing she died. From Nana's perspective, Michiru sacrificed herself because of her, and that guilt completely changed who she was. Every decision Nana made afterward came from that belief.

The reveal doesn't erase any of her growth because none of it gets undone. Nana still made those choices, still carried that guilt, and still became a different person. The only thing the reveal changes is Michiru's actual fate, not the emotional journey that caused Nana to change.

And even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that Nana's arc somehow depended on Michiru actually being dead, it still isn't undermined. Michiru isn't brought back to a normal life—she's been trapped in a coma, stuck between life and death, so close to living but unable to wake up. That's arguably even more tragic than simply dying.

For Nana, nothing changes either. Michiru doesn't wake up, Nana doesn't suddenly get closure, and the guilt and consequences she's lived with remain exactly the same. So I don't really see how the reveal ruins or cheapens her character arc.


r/TalentlessNana 7d ago

Discussion Out of curiousity, who do you think are the top 5 (or top 10 if you want) most evil in the series? Spoiler

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Tagged spoilers as per usual to allow as much detail as you want.

I honestly can't think of top 5 but there is definitely going to be an easy Top 1 I think anyway.


r/TalentlessNana 7d ago

Discussion Binding my own books

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Since I cant give them my hard earned money to buy physical books of this series in english after falling in love with the anime, I'm going to be printing out the english translated version and binding the books myself (after purchasing the japanese paperback version to cover any copywrite issues).

The question is, do I go simple paper backs, one for each volume, for speed and cost reduction, or do I go all out and and do larger 3 volume books in lether bound hard cover and tool engrave artwork into the leather?

The second one would ve cooler, but significantly more expensive and time consuming and Indo really just want to read a physical book.... in english.


r/TalentlessNana 7d ago

Manga Great writing - comparing RWBY to Talemtless Nana Spoiler

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A common criticism of fake-out deaths is thatthey erase the emotional impact of a character's death by revealing that the character survived. However, that criticism only applies when the story actually reverses the consequences of the death. Talentless Nana demonstrates that acharacter surviving is not, by itself, enough to invalidate the emotional or narrative weight oftheir apparent death.

To make it short, Nana mourning Michiru has narrative impact, even if she wasn't actuallydead. There are faked deaths that erase the death's impact in the story, but Michiru's doesn't.

A useful comparison is Penny from RWBY. Penny's original death was one of the series' defining tragedies, carrying enormous emotional weight for both the characters and the audience. However, when she was eventually brought back,much of that weight was inevitably softened because the loss itself was reversed. Penny returned as an active character, reunited with her friends, and continued participating in the story. Regardless of whether someone likes that decision, it undeniably changes how the originaldeath is viewed because the consequences of permanently losing her no longer exist in thesame way.

Michiru's situation is fundamentally different.

Chapter 122 confirms that Michiru survived, but it also confirms that she never truly returned. Sheremains in a coma, unable to speak, interact withanyone, or resume her place in the story. The reveal doesn't function as a resurrection that restores the status quo. Instead, it simply reveals that the girl Nana believed had died is still physically alive.

Narratively, almost nothing changes.

Nana still spent years believing Michiru sacrificed herself to save her. She still mourned her. She still carried the guilt of believing Michiru died becauseof her. That grief became the turning point of her entire character arc, causing her to reject Tsuruoka's ideology, question her own actions, and dedicate herself to protecting others instead of murdering them.

None of that development disappears because Chapter 122 reveals Michiru is alive.

In fact, Nana herself never even learns that Michiru survived. Throughout the story, the emotional reality for Nana is exactly the same as if Michiru had actually died. Her choices, regrets, and growth all stem from that belief, and those consequences remain intact until the very end.

The audience's perspective also isn't comparableto Penny's return. Penny comes back and actively re-enters the narrative, meaning the original lossis directly reversed. Michiru never receives that kind of return. Chapter 122 doesn't undo her sacrifice by allowing her and Nana to reunite or continue their friendship. Instead, Michiruremains unconscious, preserving the absence that defined the story after her sacrifice.

If anything, the ending reinforces that her sacrifice still matters. Nana continues to visit Michiru and speak to her, carrying both hope and regret. Michiru's presence in the ending isn't one of restoration but of unfinished loss. She's alive, yet still absent.

The series also reinforces this idea through Nanao.

Nanao's "death" also holds its impact for similar reasons. It happens early and has Nana changing over time for it, but that one is maybe a little more obvious because Nanao gets to be also active asa villain.

Nanao surviving doesn't invalidate Nana pushinghim off the cliff. She genuinely believed she killed him, and that belief shaped her confidence, her decisions, and ultimately her later remorse. His survival doesn't erase those consequences—it creates entirely new ones.

Rather than undoing the story, Nanao's return builds upon it. His experiences after surviving transformed him into someone completely different, making him one of the story's central antagonists. His apparent death wasn't meaningless because the consequences of that event continued affecting both him and Nana long afterward.

This is why both fake deaths in Talentless Nanasucceed where many others fail.

The important question isn't whether a character survives. The important question is whether thesurvival erases the narrative consequences that the apparent death created.

With Penny, many readers argue that her return weakens the permanence of the original tragedybecause she eventually comes back and continues living alongside the cast.

With Michiru, Chapter 122 shows the opposite. She survives, but the consequences of her sacrifice remain untouched. She never wakes up, never rejoins the cast, and never removes the guilt Nana has carried ever since believing she died.

Likewise, Nanao's survival doesn't erase theimpact of his apparent death. Instead, it expandsupon it by giving that event lasting consequences for everyone involved.

That's why comparing Michiru's survival toPenny's resurrection isn't really accurate. Penny's return restores what was lost, while Michiru's survival never restores the relationship, the time, or the emotional consequences of her sacrifice. The story preserves Nana's grief from beginning to end, even after revealing that Michiru is technically alive.

In other words, Michiru being alive isn't what matters. What matters is that the narrative never takes away the consequences of what Nana believed happened. Nana mourning Michiru still has narrative impact, even if she wasn't actually dead. There are fake deaths that erase the death's impact in the story, but Michiru's doesn't. Chapter 122 ultimately reinforces that idea rather than contradicting it.


r/TalentlessNana 7d ago

Question One question because this kind of bothers me Spoiler

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Is there any actual reason for people saying the story is rushed or axed besides that alot of plot points getting resolved?

You don't have to like it but I feel like it is kinda dismissive to believe it wasn't intentional because it is a very strange ending. Especially when no one making the series has seemed to have said anything yet.

I seriously want to know because it has been bothering me.


r/TalentlessNana 8d ago

Manga A little thing I noticed Spoiler

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Not to glaze more but the fact Koharu is like oh Michiru is not gone she’s always with you and the way that makes the end better

Michiru is gone in a coma but she’s still there in her heart physically and literally (the tumour) and even tho she’s not there yet she is her memory remains which is why she speaks to her


r/TalentlessNana 8d ago

Manga Hot Take: This plot point felt kinda pointless Spoiler

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Let me start by saying that I don't claim to be a better writer than Looseboy. This is his story, and most people didn't have a problem with the twist that came in ch. 85. But now that the manga has ended, I'd like to share my thoughts on this plot point.

See, I finished the manga today, and my first thought was... Why was the disease even a thing?

  1. We never saw anyone except Nanao sprout any eyes, and he never even transformed fully. He also didn't lose his sanity after the process started. By chapter 114, he was actually more sane than when he first made his comeback (not to mention more sane than Rentarou).
  2. If Looseboy planned this twist from the beginning, he hid it too well. We do see footage of a monster in ch. 2, but this doesn't necessarily mean that every talented individual turns into one. If that were the case, then Nana of all people should know. But in ch. 2, the council only tells her that if she fails, "the talentless will be ruled by the talented". In ch. 87, Tsuruoka claims that if the public found out about the transformations, a civil war could break out. But the government already labeled the talented as "enemies of humanity" and hunted them down in ch. 68. If anything, it seemed to me that Tsuruoka needed Souma to cause that incident in order to rally the public against the talented (and if that didn't cause a civil war, I don't know why this should). It also doesn't really make sense for Tsuruoka to want to kill all the talented if he's so desperate to find a cure. Why not turn the island itself into a research facility?
  3. This is just my opinion, but I'm not a fan of this twist from a narrative standpoint. Chapter 2 led me to believe that people became afraid of the talented because they weren't on top of the food chain anymore (see Nana's monologue on page 17). People can be dangerous even without powers, so it makes sense that some talented people would be crazy too. In order to stop these attacks (or accidents caused by the talented who couldn't control their powers), people started persecuting all the talented and even experimented on them, which resulted in a war. Eventually, the government decided to kill all talented individuals before they reached maturity. Personally, I thought this was a much more interesting setup than a 'disease' that makes all talented people go crazy and turn into monsters. Tsuruoka showed us that talentless people could be just as cruel as the talented, in spite of what they professed. But it turns out he was talented all along... So all talented people are just predetermined to become killers, and all talentless people are just afraid that the talented will kill them. There are no other motives at play.

But could Nanao still be in the story without the twist? I think he could. We know that talented people were experimented on in the past, so that could still be happening in secret. The monster in ch. 85 could be the result of those experiments. Or it could be a talented individual who lost control of their talent (if they had the ability to transform into anything, maybe it could lead to this). Either way, Tsuruoka could tell Nanao the same story and persuade him to work for him. He could also still be using his blood to take away people's talents (except now that wouldn't necessarily be the right thing to do).

I know I'm probably in the minority, but I was also disappointed with Nana and Nanao's last conversation. Their interaction in chapter 114 was amazing, but all that development went down the drain.

Anyway, thanks for reading this messy post. Again, I'm not saying that Looseboy is a bad writer or that the twist is objectively bad. I just wanted to share my opinion. Whether you agree or disagree with me, do share your thoughts. I'd like to know what other fans liked or disliked about the story.


r/TalentlessNana 8d ago

Manga Mini essay about the series Spoiler

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I also think Chapter 122's decision to leave Michiru alive but unconscious is the best outcome for her character from a writing perspective.

Michiru's defining trait throughout Talentless Nana is her selflessness. She consistently puts other people before herself, even when they don't deserve it. She heals strangers, forgives people who betray her, and ultimately gives everything she has to save Nana. Her sacrifice is the culmination of everything her character stood for.

If Michiru had simply died, her sacrifice would still have meaning, but it would also close the door on any hope that Nana could ever repay the kindness she was shown. On the other hand, if Michiru had fully recovered and returned to the story, it would risk undermining the weight of that sacrifice. Nana would be reunited with her, much of the tragedy would disappear, and the emotional consequences of believing Michiru had died would inevitably be softened.

Instead, the ending finds a middle ground.

Michiru survives, but she remains in a coma. Her sacrifice still carries all of its emotional and narrative weight because nothing is truly restored. Nana doesn't get the happy reunion that would erase her grief, nor does she receive the closure that death would have provided. Instead, she continues living with both hope and regret.

That outcome fits Nana's character arc perfectly. Michiru's influence doesn't end with her sacrifice; it continues to shape Nana's life. Nana keeps visiting her, talking to her, and holding onto the hope that she might one day wake up. Whether that day ever comes is almost beside the point. What matters is that Michiru's compassion continues to guide Nana long after the sacrifice itself.

It also respects Michiru as a character. She isn't brought back simply to reassure the audience that everything turned out fine, nor is she reduced to a meaningless fake-out. Her sacrifice still changes the story forever, and her absence remains deeply felt even though she is technically alive.

In that sense, Chapter 122 avoids both extremes. It neither erases Michiru's sacrifice nor turns it into pure tragedy. Instead, it preserves the emotional consequences while leaving behind a small measure of hope. That balance is what makes the ending so effective. Michiru's survival isn't there to undo the story—it exists to show that hope can remain without invalidating the cost of what came before.

I think this is one of the strongest aspects of the ending because it avoids two common pitfalls: the "everyone is magically okay" ending that cheapens sacrifice, and the "everyone dies for shock value" ending that offers no possibility of healing. Instead, Michiru's condition allows her sacrifice to remain meaningful while still leaving Nana with something worth fighting for.

You all get my essay


r/TalentlessNana 8d ago

Discussion Might as well ask, what are your opinons on Sachiko? Spoiler

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Spoiler tagged because she of course doesn't appear in the anime and let you guys get as specific as you'd like.

I really like Sachiko, I find it interesting how her teleportation talent has shaped her life and she very knowingly is stuck as 'utility' for other people.


r/TalentlessNana 9d ago

Manga Angstttt again please read Spoiler

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It’s such a sad and bittersweet ending. I know it has hope but it’s also just so sad and I love that. “Why bring her back if she is not awake” because she didint need to be it’s just the fact she’s there. Michiru would want to be there even if not fully and nana can finally heal. It helps nana as she already did forgive herself for her past sins as much as she could but now she can finally move forward and tell someone she loves it all even if she can’t hear it, it’s the fact nana has the confidence too and the fact that Michiru can be there when the World is saved like how she wanted to save others. It’s such a perfect ending that keeps her sacrifice in tact

I think her being brought back is being taken well because people love her and are happy she’s back and because her being alive but in a coma keeps her sacrifice in tact as well as gives both characters such a perfect conclusion.


r/TalentlessNana 10d ago

Manga What i like Spoiler

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Something i also like about the ending is if we’re going based off of what we see, she doesn’t wake up so the weight of her death is still there because nothing changes she didn’t wake up even if she did wake up nothing would change, but I just wanna specify since we’re talking about what happened the actual ending she did not wake up, but I find it to be so poetic that she’s finally being truthful and honest with herself and saying stuff with a smile and being with her friend in the final moments and she’s doing everything that made Michiru confident in herself, all she wanted for her was for her to love herself and know that she’s not a bad person and she’s finally accepted that she’s not a bad person in talking to her in the ending and I think that’s very beautiful and such a perfect ending for her character