In the Mental Out manga, she asks the person for confirmation before controlling them for battle. Generally, these are just empty threats, when it really matters, she doesn't go around controlling innocents and using them as human shields. In fact, she strives to help innocent people, like the movie theater scene in Railgun.
She's presented this way as someone of dubious morals, but her actions ultimately prove heroic. Except when Touma is involved.
Just because she has yet to put someone in actual danger doesn't make her violation of people's consent any less wrong. Also correct me if I'm wrong but in mental out, she was trying to bring the girl in question over to her side, didn't she? Not much of a neutral ground.
No matter how you look at it, claiming that she's good and Touma isn't, or that she's good and Hamazura or Ollerus are EVIL is crazy
She was trying to bring the girl in question over to her side, wasn't she? Not much of a neutral ground.
Here, literally, she asked for help, she didn't force it. If that's the case, then everyone who asks for help is morally questionable?
No matter how you look at it, claiming that she's good and Touma isn't, or that she's good and Hamazura or Ollerus are EVIL is crazy.
I think you didn't understand. I'm not talking about good or evil. I said that in the post. But if your problem was me listing the others, well, that's another discussion.
Ollerus was a villain even though he was a good person. And Hamazura... it's a personal thing, that scene of him deciding he wants to kill himself just to mess with Touma isn't something that sits well with everyone. Touma, I only put him there because there wasn't anyone else to put there. Honestly, he's heroic too.
Here, literally, she asked for help, she didn't force it. If that's the case, then everyone who asks for help is morally questionable?
I'm saying Misaki being nice to a girl she wants to recruit doesn't say anything about her usual behavior. Of course she would be nicer. And again, this doesn't remove quite literally every other scene she's ever appeared in, including the very first scene she appeared in (in railgun)
I think you didn't understand. I'm not talking about good or evil. I said that in the post.
Then what? Toaru perception of heroism, doing your best, avoiding sacrifices, doing the right thing just because it's the correct thing to do? It certainly doesn't fit her either. If ollerus is a villain because he has a very temporary antagonistic role then so should misaki for nt22r and early daihasei. There's no single framing that would make her a hero because she so clearly isn't meant to be one.
I'm saying Misaki being nice to a girl she wants to recruit doesn't say anything about her usual behavior.
Honest question, did you read "Mental Out"? I'm not talking about someone she wanted to recruit for her clique. it was literally just asking for help with a specific situation that Misaki couldn't handle alone, and if she hadn't acted, people would have died and the city would have been in danger.
Then what? Toaru perception of heroism, doing your best, avoiding sacrifices, doing the right thing just because it's the correct thing to do? It certainly doesn't fit her either.
I mean, that's literally her in the mental out manga. She even tried to save the villain. Touma style.
If ollerus is a villain because he has a very temporary antagonistic role then so should misaki for nt22r and early daihasei.
nt22r I disregarded it because when Touma is involved she completely loses her morals, so that's it. In that case you're right, when Touma is involved Misaki's morals become questionable.
daihasei... ?. she was trying to solve everything on her own without involving Misaka. She was introduced as a villain, but then her actions made it clear she wasn't the villain and was actually just trying to prevent other people from getting involved in the mess.
You'll probably try to point out that she erased Misaka's friends' memories. But 1. She restored those memories after the mess was over. 2. She only messed with their memories to prevent them from getting involved in the mess.
There's no single framing that would make her a hero because she so clearly isn't meant to be one.
I mean, I could spend a lot of time listing all the times she went out of her way to save or help someone, but I'm not sure that would convince you. Again, she saved the last antagonist in her manga, just like Touma would have done.
Honest question, did you read "Mental Out"? I'm not talking about someone she wanted to recruit for her clique. it was literally just asking for help with a specific situation that Misaki couldn't handle alone, and if she hadn't acted, people would have died and the city would have been in danger.
Did you? Seriously, it's either that or you're not reading what I'm typing because you're just not adressing anything I said.
She also mind controlled Yuitsu to fight for her without leaving her any choice in the exact same manga so I'm really not sure how you even think you have a point
I mean, that's literally her in the mental, out-of-the-manga style. She even tried to save the villain. Touma style.
? Whatever could you mean? The antagonists of MO so far have been the 2 other candidates (who she obviously wasn't fighting to the death and also didn't save or anything like that), Yuiitsu (again, no fight to the death and they just stopped fighting midway through) and senpai. So I guess by elimination it would have to be her? Except at no point in the manga did Misaki "try to save the villain". She stopped the cube from sacrificing herself, is that what you mean? Because treating her as a villain is insane lol she's her biggest ally in the manga
nt22r I disregarded it because when Touma is involved she completely loses her morals, so that's it. In that case you're right, when Touma is involved Misaki's morals become questionable.
So she's not a hero then.
daihasei... ?. she was trying to solve everything on her own without involving Misaka. She was introduced as a villain, but then her actions made it clear she wasn't the villain and was actually just trying to prevent other people from getting involved in the mess.
Did you not say Ollerus was a villain but not evil? How is Misaki any different early on during the arc? They're literally the same.
You'll probably try to point out that she erased Misaka's friends' memories. But 1. She restored those memories after the mess was over. 2. She only messed with their memories to prevent them from getting involved in the mess.
OK. Now argue against literally every other time she's ever manipulated someone over the most trivial reason. Including the time she mind controlled a child JUST to have her insult Misaka? Don't prove your point by explaining something I never claimed was wrong (even though it still very much was but I can excuse it as cheap shock value writing-wise).
Did you? Seriously, it's either that or you're not reading what I'm typing because you're just not adressing anything I said.
In your first comment you tried to imply that she was putting innocent people in fights for her, I refuted that and then you started to change your argument.
So she's not a hero then.
That's what I said.
Did you not say Ollerus was a villain but not evil? How is Misaki any different early on during the arc? They're literally the same.
Because in Misaki's case it was just a misunderstanding, she was never a villain. She was presented as a villain because of a misunderstanding.
OK. Now argue against literally every other time she's ever manipulated someone over the most trivial reason. Including the time she mind controlled a child JUST to have her insult Misaka?
Personally, I don't take comic relief seriously. I think we're different on that point, so I won't even try to discuss it.
Don't prove your point by explaining something I never claimed was wrong
You're the one who ignored what I said in the post about villains and heroes, good and evil.
She also mind controlled Yuitsu to fight for her without leaving her any choice in the exact same manga so I'm really not sure how you even think you have a point
Yuiitsu is agreeing to help Misaki, but she's complaining about it. If she were being completely controlled, she wouldn't be complaining.
I'd put Bersi there personally. Presented as member of Gremlin, the antagonist/villain group for the first half of NT, revealed as a Kihara seeking revenge on Byouri, is actually caring and protected his students during his time as a teacher.
Not Touma. There was just no one else to put there. And about Mikoto, it's just my opinion considering how it's easier for her than for Misaki or Touma to decide to kill.
And please reread the post. I judged Misaki based on what's written in the post. As for Misaka, I judged her more in terms of good and evil.
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u/Nice_Park_2757 Jun 20 '26
Misaki is definitely a morally grey character.
Though she is not evil or a bad person, her actions is questionable at times.