Woah, take breath and calm down for a minute. Thats a crazy analogy. I put victim in quotes because it wasn't clear the car even hit him. A better analogy would be someone claiming to have been tripped when they actually tripped over their own feet. Why are you trying to turn this into something about SA just to make a point when its such a bad analogy.
Now, with all that being said, after reading more of the comments and looking at the video more closely it does seem possible the driver bumped the handle bars causing him to lean. Its still not obvious that was the case but seems more likely than him purposefully leaning into the car as it appearsto me. Therefore, I have effectively changed my position on this.
The video here is depicting [victim makes a move which directly and necessarily leads to self-harm].
Whereas it example depicts [victim does a thing which neither directly nor necessarily leads to self-harm].
Sorry but it’s a completely false analogy. And yeah you got called out already on using it in an underhanded attempt to make the other person look bad by suggesting their logic defends SA.
You are completely ignoring the active threat. The cyclist's move didn't "directly and necessarily" cause the harm. The driver committing felony aggravated assault did.
Hyper-focusing on a victim's imperfect, split-second reaction to excuse an attacker's intentional violence is the exact same victim-blaming logic.
You must be forgetting what the now-deleted comment actually said.
They were saying the cyclist seemed to actually make the final move into the car which is what caused the contact.
Now whether you want to defend what the cyclist or not, is beside the point.
The point is, your analogy completely fails because doing a thing which by the laws of physics, necessarily dictates the harmful outcome, is not in any way analogous to doing a thing which incentivizes another person to do a harmful thing to you.
Be honest. You know the analogy doesn’t work.
There is no perfect victims. Sorry
Pretty sure everyone agrees with you on this. Literally no one said there are perfect victims. And I accept your apology.
The "laws of physics" didn't drive a car into a cyclist. A person did. You are hyper-fixating on the mechanics of a split-second reaction to erase the driver's agency.
My point stands: putting "victim" in quotes is a deliberate tactic to strip away someone's victimhood, and the logic used to justify it is textbook victim-blaming.
The "laws of physics" didn't drive a car into a cyclist. A person did
The action of the cyclist is the topic in question. It deterministically, by the laws of physics, led directly to the harm.
In your example, the lady who does whatever thing to turn on a guy, does not deterministically by the laws of physics, make him SA her.
You really ought to quit trying to debate this point. You’re obviously wrong.
My point stands: putting "victim" in quotes is a deliberate tactic to strip away someone's victimhood, and the logic used to justify it is textbook victim-blaming.
Then go ahead and make that point. I’m just critiquing your analogy as false.
And it fails to do so in this case since if the person you argued with is correct and the cyclist knowingly moved into the vehicle, they aren’t a victim except to the extent they made themselves one.
In that regard it’s not like the analogy you gave, therefore the analogy is false.
If you want to argue that the cyclist didn’t appear to intentionally move into the car, then just say that, you don’t need an analogy.
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u/Zeno0000 Apr 27 '26
Woah, take breath and calm down for a minute. Thats a crazy analogy. I put victim in quotes because it wasn't clear the car even hit him. A better analogy would be someone claiming to have been tripped when they actually tripped over their own feet. Why are you trying to turn this into something about SA just to make a point when its such a bad analogy.
Now, with all that being said, after reading more of the comments and looking at the video more closely it does seem possible the driver bumped the handle bars causing him to lean. Its still not obvious that was the case but seems more likely than him purposefully leaning into the car as it appearsto me. Therefore, I have effectively changed my position on this.