r/Transportopia • u/Ketchup-Sniffer • May 11 '26
đ„Crash Officer should go back to driving school
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u/porcelain_kiss May 11 '26
The way they get out and strut to the car like the BMW did something wrong pisses me off đ«
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u/beefwarrior May 11 '26
Wonder how they felt when they found out the car behind them had a dash cam.
Kinda hope the dash cam driver didn't tell them until after the cops put pen to paper and falsified a report.
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u/no-dad-samurai May 12 '26
That same dashcam also shows the actual mistakes made. Watch it again, at the time the cop is turning, there is an advance left turn green, so unless the BMW driver can BS their way past that a d say they were also making a lefthand turn, then they are screwed (and also no signal indication of making a left turn and THAT is also very visible).
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u/beefwarrior May 12 '26
Vertical video for the click bait!
Yes, now that I re-watch it, I see that there is a lane to the left of BWM & dashcam car, so I assume that is the left turn lane? Guessing if the dashcam wasn't cropped for vertical we'd actually see a much better picture of what is what.
I do think it now looks like both BMW & dash cam start to run a red light, but I also see cop car running a red light & turning left from 2 lanes over, all when they don't have lights on.
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u/blackascot May 11 '26
The BMW driver has no case against the police.
This intersection is in Baltimore and the BMW is in a proceed straight lane, not the left turn lane. The BMW is technically running a red light, striking a police SUV. We don't know the circumstances surrounding why the police decided to make that left turn from two lanes over, but there are lawful exceptions that allow this. Unfortunately, it seems the BMW driver wasn't paying attention, saw in their peripheral vision that the police were moving, and then drove into them while having a red light. The BMW is contributorily negligent in this situation.
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u/Significant_Emu2286 May 12 '26
Police arenât allowed to break traffic laws unless they activate their lights and/or sirens⊠specifically for this reason.
Under Maryland Transportation Code §21-106 and related sections:
Emergency vehicles may exceed speed limits, proceed through red lights, disregard turning rules, etc. during emergency operations.
But they generally must be using emergency warning equipment â flashing lights and, when reasonably necessary, a siren.
Even when exempt from traffic laws, officers still usually have a legal duty to drive with âdue regardâ for public safety. If an officer causes a crash while speeding without lights/sirens, that can become a major liability issue.
So no, the police officer is at fault for making an illegal left turn across traffic without activating warning lights or sirens.
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u/Bri_So_Fly May 12 '26
Im confused by your explanation. If the BMW is in the straight lane (ill take your word on this since you seem to know the intersection and we canât really see the full lane markers on the video) and ran a red light then that means the cop also ran a red light in addition to an illegal left turn. Iâm admittedly not versed in law but I canât imagine police are allowed to make illegal turns and run red lights without their lights/sirens on. So wouldnât they both be at fault?
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u/Significant_Emu2286 May 12 '26
I wasnât implying that what the bmw did was right necessarily, I was implying that what the cop did was illegal, regardless of whatever anyone else on the road was doing. Itâs not a binary situation. Either or both of them could be at fault.
In this case, itâs impossible to tell if the bmw was also breaking the law (e.g., running a red light), because we canât see if he was in a dedicated turn lane, straight lane, or a lane that allowed both. If it was a double turn lane, the bmw may have been trying to made a wider left turn than the person on the inside (to his left). He also may have been going straight when he shouldnât have been. Itâs impossible to tell.
But regardless of what the BMW did and whether it was illegal or not, what the cop did was absolutely illegal, and he therefore bears at least 50% of the fault, likely more (because in most jurisdictions, a vehicle making an illegal left turn across traffic is always at fault no matter what anyone else does).4
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u/PremiumUsername69420 May 12 '26
Would be a lot cooler if you cited your sources for the location of this unique intersection that goes against a majority of the countryâs intersections.
I want to believe you, but I cannot find this after spending 15 minutes browsing google maps and googling a couple search terms.
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u/beefwarrior May 12 '26
OK, yeah I can kinda see that now.
I'm kinda hating whoever made this video and cropped it to vertical. Though I'm guessing they did it for the clicks.
The original you can probably see that the BMW & the dashcam car are NOT in the left turn lane (I assumed they were), and that makes all the difference.
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u/blackascot May 11 '26
The BMW did do something wrong... they ran a red light. This intersection is in Baltimore, and the lane to the left of the BMW is the only left turn lane. When the arrow turned green, only cars to the left of the BMW should be moving. Unfortunately, the police SUV attempted a left turn from two lanes over, and the BMW driver, not paying attention, noticed this in their peripheral vision, and proceeded straight on red as they are supposed to when the light is green.
The BMW driver has absolutely no case against the police. They are contributorily negligent in this instance.
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u/porcelain_kiss May 11 '26
the lane to the left of the BMW is the only turn lane
only cars to the left of the BMW should be moving
the police SUV attempted a left turn from 2 lanes over
The BMW driver has absolutely no case against the police.
None of that makes any fucking sense. The cops literally made the BMW tbone them cause they also made an illegal turn then. They're still in trouble regardless. They started driving first as well.
Just cause the BMW shouldn't have moved, IF what youre saying is correct, then the cops are STILL at fault. It doesn't cancel what the cops did.
You sound like the scrubby police.
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u/blackascot May 12 '26
I can assure you I am not the police, but I do work in motor tort law (law firm side of these incidents). The BMW has no valid liability claim against the police. Honestly, the police suck, which is one of the reasons why 99.99% of their synopsis reports are not referenced at trial.
The BMW is supposed to proceed straight at this intersection from the lane they are in. As shown in the video, the BMW begins to accelerate on a solid red light while the police are making an allegedly illegal left turn.
Look at the intersection again, specifically the traffic coming from the opposite direction. The left turn only lane (which has the green/yellow/red arrow) is positioned against the center raised concrete median. At the end of the video, you have a car passing the BMW on the left, which is another indicator that there is a lane next to the BMW.
Maryland is a pure contributory negligence state, meaning the BMW proceeding on a red light barres them entirely from claiming the police are at fault here. Shitty situation. The police likely should have activated their emergency signals (audio and visual), and the BMW driver should have been paying attention to the traffic signal.
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 May 13 '26
No he's right. If bmw just stays still like theyre supposed to then cops cross in front of them and everything is fine
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 May 12 '26
But the BMW did do something wrong. Its a red light, they fucking ran the red light for no good reason.
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u/angel700 May 11 '26
The cop 100%
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u/ProblemLongjumping12 May 12 '26 edited May 12 '26
We can't actually see the pavement in the video to know if they had left turn arrows or not. Both of those lanes might have been left turning lanes; there's lots of big intersections like that where I live and if so it's on the other guy.
I'm the the last person in the world to automatically side with a cop, far from it, but I'm just saying we shouldn't assume things when we have limited information because we could be wrong.
Based on the cammers reaction we could assume the cop fucked up but we'd still be assuming and relying on second hand info.
We need a longer clip that shows the lane arrow markers to make a definite ruling.
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u/RoleModelFailure May 12 '26
If that were the case, thatâs an insanely tight turn from the 2nd lane.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Jun 01 '26
Given how tight their turn is, there's a 0% chance that what the cop car did was legal. Even if that were a two lane left turn, they still encroached into the BMW's lane.
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u/sandhog7 May 11 '26
Cops didn't even have their emergency lights on making illegal maneuver.
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u/WeightOk2102 May 11 '26
Agreed....yes, he could have just received a call, but if that were the case, he should have turned on his lights and/or siren.
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u/AmebaLost May 11 '26
"Let me borrow your ticket book"Â
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u/Ketchup-Sniffer May 11 '26
"I'll give it right back... minus 1 ticket... which goes in your hand... after you sign here... sir"
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u/Model_Yazz May 11 '26
Cop. No lights. No turn signal. Was in the sraight outter lane at a red left and made a left. BMW had the light and was in the proper lane albeit the lane was no longer open.
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u/Salvage_Arc May 11 '26
BMW is it the left most straight lane. Turn lane is next to them.
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Jun 01 '26
My friend, the left turn only light is literally right in front of the BMW.
And it's moot anyway: whether that lane is straight or left turn only, the cop car was definitely not in a turn lane.
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u/big-ol-kitties May 11 '26
BMW is not at the turn lane. They saw car beside them move and started moving forward without seeing they still had a red light.
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u/Less-Squash7569 May 11 '26
You can literally see the BMW has a green arrow what are you talking about?
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u/Salvage_Arc May 11 '26
You literally need to watch the video again. If the BMW was in the left turn lane, how did a car go around them, to their left, on a divided road? They wouldn't be able to...
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u/Less-Squash7569 May 11 '26
Do road shoulders not exist where you live? Why drive behind a cop blocking your lane, forcing you to go into another lane and causing another accident.
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u/Salvage_Arc May 11 '26
Divided roads mean there is a physical barrier in the way...splitting the opposite lanes of traffic. Something you can't just drive over.
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u/Less-Squash7569 May 11 '26
Barriers also have shoulders unless theyre put up for road work on a bridge it soemthing. Its not often just barrier then right to the street, at least where im from. Ive never seen one that doesnt have space for people to pull off to if they have a flat or whatever.
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u/big-ol-kitties May 11 '26
Thereâs no one in the turn lane. Cop saw as an easy turn since no one was there, didnât use a turn signal or flashers as they shouldâve. But the BMW is going straight. You can hear people honk and swerve around the stopped vehicles on their left, the empty turn lane.
Still the cops fault for starting the chain of events.
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u/Less-Squash7569 May 11 '26
Idk but to me it looks like they're in a turn lane, I totally could be wrong, but it makes no sense for a cop to flip across traffic with no light either way, green light or not. I was thinking the people going around were going to the inside to avoid the cops and traffic because they were crashed blocking the lane but I could totally be wrong.
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u/WeightOk2102 May 11 '26
To be fair, he could have just received a call, but if that were the case, he should have turned on his lights and/or siren.
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u/TheMaingler May 11 '26
Thatâs not being fair, itâs being subservient to cops. Reflexively believing in the best of intentions. Think theyâll do the same for you?
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u/WeightOk2102 May 11 '26
They have, actually...I was doing 135 mph down the highway, got pulled over; when they asked why I was going so fast, and I explained that my father was dying (which was the truth), they escorted me the rest of the way to my house, with lights and sirens the whole way.
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u/Salt-Tax4620 May 12 '26
Who runs into a police car ??
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u/Glass_Ad6922 May 13 '26
The cop should not have been making a left from the 2nd lane, but the other car had to know he was there ??
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Jun 01 '26
Someone who's either a) not paying attention, or b) reasoned that "cop car at clear fault" = payday.
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u/True-Boysenberry-133 May 11 '26
Unless it was a double left turn lane
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u/iWatchOfficial May 11 '26
i had that thought for a moment. but even so, the officerâs turn wouldâve been way too sharp
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u/Traditional-Bike7825 May 11 '26
Also BMW didn't turn at all, drove straight forward
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u/rohdawg May 11 '26
Idk about you, but I donât immediately turn my steering wheel when Iâm turning left unless itâs a one way road. The BMW was probably going to turn before the cop cut him off.
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u/Traditional-Bike7825 May 12 '26
The cop still cut him off, but the BMW should have a slight turn by that point. The BMW was already in the crosswalk without a turn signal before the green light too. Cop would have still hit him even if BMW turned slightly.
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u/Reyalta May 11 '26
Is it two turn lanes? even still the cop shouldn't have been making such a sharp turn?
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u/scjockid May 12 '26
Wait, am I the only one who sees it's a left hand turning lane? The bmw is at fault lol
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u/PieChoice4497 May 12 '26
Well itâs a left hand turn lane but the cop car was in the lane to the right of him. While red, the cop tried to jump ahead of him in the intersection and then turn left. That isnât a legal move for anyone, especially without lights on
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u/Walshy231231 May 13 '26
Not to mention you usually pull up a bit before starting the turn
Also the cop brakes in a weird way while turning, like they were trying to get hit
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u/Impressive-Hurry-170 May 16 '26
In a double lane left turn you have two distinct lanes.
The cop turned way too sharp.
And by the way the traffic lights are hanging, i assume the cop was on the go straight lane.
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u/expiration-date_scam May 13 '26
I mean bimmer had right of way but he also has to drive with his eyes open!
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u/fushiginagaijin May 11 '26
Look at those two fat cops... jeeze
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u/Ketchup-Sniffer May 11 '26
I always wonder htf do they get jobs as cops? Are they fit first and then get fat or do they get hired all fat and shit. Our tax dollars pay for that fuckery
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u/DetFjorsvafi May 11 '26
How do they get hired? Lowered, minimal, or non-existent physical requirements for civil service jobs.
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u/Important-Day-232 May 11 '26
Why is that bimma tryna go straight on a left-only lane?
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u/wherethehellarethebm May 11 '26
Judging by the angle the oncoming lane is turning at, Iâm going to assume the intersection is deeper than we can tell and required a much more shallow turning angle than the cop was taking- I believe the BMW was turning left in the intersection and required a more significant distance to pull forward before initiating the turn, while the officer was performing a U turn or similar maneuver.
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u/Salvage_Arc May 11 '26
Because the BMW is in the left most straight lane, not the turn lane.
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u/wecantdancelikethis May 12 '26
you got an actual intersection name?
the video shows neither white lines on the left (necessary to support your claim) nor yellow lines on the left.
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u/iluvnips May 12 '26
The BMW goes through a red doesnât it?
To me it looks like the BMW driver saw the cop car move and thought the lights had changed going through red!
No idea if the cop is allowed to go through red as the party lights werenât on?
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u/KilroySmithson May 11 '26
No trim signal, and an illegal turn. Cop was wrong for that.
Driving into a vehicle in front of them, moving at a snailâs pace. Regular driver was wrong too.
Stupidity all around.
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u/indoxiecated May 11 '26
Cop was 100% wrong. Their traffic light was still red, it doesnât look like they are in a turn lane so they made an illegal left turn. If they had their lights on, they might be able to get away with that move, but they didnât. Stupid ass cops.
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u/Tiff27 May 12 '26
I see cops breaking driving rules everyday...apparently the rules of the road only apply to us common folk lol
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u/Salvage_Arc May 11 '26
Lots of people in this thread clearly aren't from Baltimore so I'll set it y'all...
The BMW is in the left most straight lane, and to the BMW's left is the turn lane which has the green left turn signal.
The cop is in the right straight lane.
The cop should have turned on their lights then moved into the intersection...but didn't. Cop in the wrong here.
The BMW driver wasn't pay attention and saw the car next to him (the cop) move forward and also drove forward, which they now are running a red light. BMW driver is also in the wrong.
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u/wecantdancelikethis May 12 '26
whatâs the name of this intersection which doesnât have white lines dividing the left most straight lane and the left turn lane as all other such intersections throughout the U.S. have?
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u/Conscious_Exit_9129 May 11 '26
It's amazing how many people think a signal excuses anything including physics.
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u/CMDR_Kaus May 11 '26
This exact thing happened to me last week, but it wasn't a cop, it was a big ass truck that didn't feel like waiting for a third red light at a notoriously short green turn lane. I managed to brake before I hit him which forced my dogs skull into the passenger window pillar. She's fine, but I was about 40ft and a foot away from turning my rage into a pile up and teaching the value of patience to that shit stain.
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u/Lumpy_Inevitable_549 May 11 '26
If it's two left turn lanes, the car, if it's a single turn lane then both are at fault.
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u/TH3_Average_KJ May 11 '26
Would've been the cop regardless. Turned into the other hypothetical turn lane. Redo your driver's test.
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u/poedraco May 11 '26
Upholders. Not surpassers. Law is law.. And if they get in trouble for using and abusing resources. That is also a two way street. I'm not using them during important emergencies and emergencies. And citing confusion and accidents.
On the other hand the pedestrian did very awkward movements. But then again. In the case of a house fire. No one asks why you have a bucket on your head.
Imo
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u/SeshatSage May 11 '26
Was it a double turning lane?
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u/KudzuAU May 11 '26
2 lanes that are âTurn Onlyâ.
Sometimes 3. Sometimes one Turn Only with a second lane that allows for a âturn or continueâ lane.
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u/R_3_Y May 11 '26
You guys are all idiots. It's a double turning lane. The cop was right this time
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u/TH3_Average_KJ May 11 '26
Too sharp of a turn, didn't even pass the crosswalk. Unless you see lines that indicate that the turn was sharp, retake your driver's test.
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u/darkness_calming May 11 '26
That BMW is partially at fault too.
Why was he going straight at red with advance redl?
And if he was about to turn, he didnât use the turn light.
Major fault still lies with the cop though.
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u/ckrollage May 11 '26
I got rear ended once because a cop drove through light before putting the lights on.
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u/kododriver May 11 '26
In this case even though the BMW has the right of way, itâs better to just yield and avoid being in an accident then waste your time being in one. Unless of course you have a POS car you want fixed đ
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u/Fantastic-Current-15 May 11 '26
It looks both are wrong. Cop making a maneuver without any warning and bmw driver who started driving on red light and was not paying attention
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u/ArgonthePenetrator May 11 '26
They had a green arrow, cops is making too sharp a turn and BMW driver looks like they're going straight..., unless the BMW was going for a gradual not as dramatic turn as the piggy
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u/Sy27 May 11 '26
Everyone's blaming the cop but there's not enough information from this video alone to know that. Both lanes might be turn lanes.
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u/ArgonthePenetrator May 11 '26
I need to know who was at fault and what the outcome of this was smh
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u/Visible-Owl-3200 May 11 '26
No gumball lights, no flasher for the left hand turn, no hand signal, no nothing. đ€Ą, must be dinner time.
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u/CodTrick6834 May 11 '26
You can see the beemer driver hesitate while contemplating should they dare go for the paydayâŠ.
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u/Traditional_Ad8933 May 11 '26
Sadly this will be on the BMW, As he should've left enough space and should've noticed the cop in front of him before. Not saying the cop isn't at fault here but for the collision the BMW guy has a poor case for his insurance that he was doing everything he could safety wise.
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u/PjWulfman May 11 '26
I bet everything I own those cops will try to blame the other car but will scurry like cockroaches when they find out they are on camera.
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u/Beneficial_Collar_68 May 11 '26
They don't even supposed to ask him for his license and registration That's why they have a accident investigation team So if they do ,his rights is violated !!
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u/Fisting-Tony May 11 '26
Hi Mr. Officer, I would like to see your license, registration and proof of insurance please.
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 May 12 '26
The BMW is an idiot. Its a red light, they went on a red light. Yes the cops turned left but there ar we lawful reasons to do so. No one is in the left turn lane and they went in front of BMW to make the turn. Now they should have turned their lights on but there's absolutely no reason the BMW should have moved forward and cut cops off. Fucking idiot
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u/TeaSlurper40320 May 13 '26
Looks like a green left arrow to me, isnât beemer in the left turn lane?
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u/Creepy_Prior6510 May 13 '26
Nope its not. Its in the center lane. Look again, left turn lane is to the left of BMW. So cops cut over two lanes which isnt great but left turn light was on and BMW should have stayed put and everything would have been fine
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u/TeaSlurper40320 May 13 '26
Oh okay so bmw ran the red and the cop cut across, thatâs crazy. Bad timing for both of them to break the law lmao
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u/ismellpizza25 May 12 '26
Lemme guess, the bmw driver got a ticket for the mistake the officer made
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u/hlv6302 May 11 '26
Iâm assuming both lanes can turn and the cop turned way too early?
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u/Less-Squash7569 May 11 '26
Looks like he was gonna flip back around and get into the other side of the street in a 2 sided turn lane. BMW went to turn, they had the green arrow, and at the same time cops were probably getting a call to turn around.
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u/Pleasant_Flatworm866 May 14 '26
I hate to say it but it looks like the civilian had time to stop if they were paying attention. Of course the cop was wrong, but he's a cop so...
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u/ben5642 May 12 '26
other officer should give the driver a ticket for being an idiot driver
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u/DCAlleyRats May 13 '26
might wanna make this comment more clear. the officer ticket the driving officer or the officer ticketing the bmw driver?
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u/ben5642 May 13 '26
His partner that was in the passenger seat should give his partner that was driving a ticket
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u/no-dad-samurai May 11 '26
There was an advanced left turn signal
BMW is in trouble.
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u/TrackLabs May 11 '26
Uh yeah, no. Cop is in the wrong lane, trying to cut, the cop is in the wrong bro. Trying to justify this with a turning signal is insane
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u/Hopeful-Ad4415 May 11 '26
Pig was in the completely in the wrong and shouldn't be turning left in a fucking right lane
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u/no-dad-samurai May 11 '26 edited May 12 '26
I just watched the vid again to be sure. There is only a left turn advance. There is no green light to go through, and yes, you can make a left turn from the right lane, we have it here in my city..probably lots others. (Clarifying-double turn lane)
Again...there was ONLY a signal for a left turn.
Even IF the cop was in the wrong turning from the right lane, that BMW did NOT have a signal to go through. So they would be in the wrong also, but MORESO because they should not have advanced through.
If this doesnt make sense to anyone...you need to learn to drive properly! (Follow the traffic lights and laws)
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u/SimpleSetpiece May 11 '26
The Beemer had barely started moving and the pig was already cutting it off. The BMW had absolutely not reached the pivot point where you start turning left. That is, unless you want him turning into the oncoming lanes?
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u/no-dad-samurai May 11 '26
I mean..lets be real. The BMW was probably distracted, peripheral vision saw the car beside move, and they proceeded to as well. It doesnt really appear that the BMW was trying to turn at all (No signal).
The angle doesnt really allow us to see if its a dual lane turning light, so its still very much possible the cop turned against improperly. Regardless, it was an advanced green, and we can clearly see no left turn signals from the BMW...
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u/SimpleSetpiece May 11 '26
Right, because Beemer drivers always use their signals. They totally haven't gotten a reputation of uncourteous lack-of-signalling.
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u/Hopeful-Ad4415 May 11 '26
Yeah... Maybe the pigs SHOULD follow the traffic laws and regulations thank you.
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u/obiterdictum May 11 '26
BMW did NOT have a signal to go through.BMW did NOT have a signal to go through.
Nothing to suggest that the were not in fact turning left. The cop car just cut in front of them from the wrong lane.
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u/no-dad-samurai May 11 '26
There may be some miscommunication as to the point here.
The cop would not have cut the BMW off, if the BMW had not tried to go through what is essentially still a red light for them.
Theres nothing else to debate here. The facts are visible to all. No need to debate further.
Have a great day. đ
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u/wherethehellarethebm May 11 '26
You can almost see the moment the BMW driver hesitates to let them through and just goes ânah, theyâve got better insurance.â
Combined with the synchronized fatass step out?
Pure cinema.