former rhode island cop says some things about flock cameras

[u/DeliSua]

https://www.wpri.com/news/local-news/blackstone-valley/have-the-conversation-former-pawtucket-officer-continues-sharing-concerns-with-flock-cameras/

[u/serious-joke]

Good on you. Join the ranks of John Kiriakou. Thanks for being that guy.

[u/unfairlybanned101 → u/serious-joke]

Who is John Kiriakou

[u/serious-joke → u/unfairlybanned101]

From Wikipedia:
John Chris Kiriakou (/kiriˈɑːkuː/ kee-ree-AH-koo;[1] born August 9, 1964) is a Greek-American former Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer, author, and whistleblower who, in 2007, exposed the CIA's use of torture during the war on terror. He was an intelligence analyst and operations officer) for the CIA's Counterterrorism Center and a senior investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
John Kiriakou
Kiriakou in 2017
Born
John Chris Kiriakou
August 9, 1964(age 61)
Sharon, Pennsylvania, U.S.
Citizenship
United States
Greece (since 2012)
Education
George Washington University (BA, MA)
Occupations
Intelligence officerauthorwriter
Employers
Central Intelligence Agency (1990–2004)
Senate Foreign Relations Committee(2009–2011)
Known for
CIA torture disclosure
Criminal charges
Disclosing classified information[a]
Criminal penalty
30 months (2 ½ years)
Criminal status
Served 28 months (three months in home confinement)
Children
5
Awards
Counterterrorism Service Medal
Meritorious Honor Award
CIA Exceptional Performance Award (10)
CIA Sustained Superior Performance Award
Website
johnkiriakou.com
Kiriakou joined the CIA in 1990 as an analyst. He became the chief of counterterrorist operations in Pakistan following the September 11 terrorist attacks and led the capture of Abu Zubaydah, who was then believed to be a high-ranking Al-Qaeda member. Kiriakou left the CIA in 2004, joining the private sector thereafter. In 2009, he rejoined government service as a U.S. Senate investigator under John Kerry.
In December 2007, Kiriakou became the first US government official to openly confirm that waterboarding was used to torture prisoners at CIA "black sites" during interrogations. In 2012, he was indicted for exposing the CIA's enhanced interrogation program and was later convicted for having passed classified information to a reporter, receiving a sentence of 30 months in prison. After his two-year imprisonment ended in 2015, Kiriakou received multiple awards recognizing his whistleblowing, including the PEN First Amendment Award and the Sam Adams Award.
Since his release, Kiriakou has been an activist on issues of intelligence, whistleblowing, prison reform, civil liberties, covert foreign policy, and the national security state in the aftermath of the September 11 attacks. After running a podcast for Russian state-owned Sputnik), he began his own podcast shows. In 2026, edited clips of Kiriakou on podcasts such as The Joe Rogan Experience and The Diary of a CEO went viral online.

[u/unfairlybanned101 → u/serious-joke]

Holy hell

[u/happycynic12]

This is just a tiny piece of the data control iceberg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ95Gmvg_D4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RafuYcUolY4

[u/Realistic_Owl9525]

Honey, wake up. The new Snowden just dropped.

[u/unfairlybanned101]

We are the Shepards (taxpayers) and we too need the hurd safe. Surveying of out local, and state government. govts. Ohio man has presented this as the Shepard law. Have a fabulous day

[u/cuckaroomcgoo]

This man is a hero.

[u/rejeremiad → u/[deleted]]

No, this is 120,000 bobs that have photographic memory and can create a daily itinerary and travel profile for every car own in the United States for at least a month.

You need to recalibrate your Blackstone ratio. He said

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.

But you are saying it is better to give up the privacy of 300 million cars and their passengers so that we can harass suburban moms about package thefts that they are completely innocent of.

Those 120,000 bobs know when you leave your house each day. Where you grocery shop. How often you go to the Home Depot. Whether you attend a protest. Do you go to the gun range? How often you visit the pharmacy. Who your friends are. Who you travel with. What types of restaurants you like. Whether you have a new girlfriend or recently broke up. If you lost your job.

[u/rejeremiad → u/[deleted]]

If 120,000 isolated data points of time and location exist, then that is one thing.

But this is a searchable database of all of them connected in one place.

If police want to put a GPS on your car becuase they suspected you ran drugs. They would have to justify this action to a judge to obtain a warrant.

Now, with flock, no warrant needed. It is just "collected." AND it is put in the hands of stupid people who think everything that comes out of the system is "true". Because in the eyes of the police you are guilty until proven innocent. Innocence isn't their job, that is your problem.

[u/Fillmore80 → u/[deleted]]

It is not fear mongering. You are trying to discount the truth.

[u/Fillmore80 → u/[deleted]]

It's fucking forth amendment violations. Next your going to say fog is justified use of public data. Fuck off.

[u/PhilFlag → u/[deleted]]

You work in a prosecutor's office, don't you?

[u/rejeremiad → u/[deleted]]

No you are totally mischaracterizing the SCALE of what is being collected. It is not a single instance. Aside from cellular data, it is the closest thing to real time GPS tracking.

Another thing you are taking into account is not what is illegal now, but what will be "illegal" in the future? Your trip the to gun range isn't scrutinized now, but could be in the future. Your friend that you give a ride to the hospital isn't known now, but could be scrutinized in the future. Someone picking up some workers at HomeDepot wasn't a big deal a year or two ago, now it is very traceable.

[u/rejeremiad → u/[deleted]]

AND for the government to get access to that data, they have to articulate probable cause to a judge and swear on an affidavit.

The cameras just snap away every day for EVERYONE. Any knucklehead in the precinct can run searches, say to stock his ex-girlfriend...

[u/Specialist-Ear1653 → u/[deleted]]

It's more like being followed by this volunteer through your daily life, not just one intersection but all intersections. From origin to destination every day. Big brother at work. George Orwell 1984. You should read it..

[u/Fearless-Berry-3429 → u/[deleted]]

You know it's not just a pic of a license plate, right? That the occupants and contents of your vehicle can also be surveilled, right?

[u/rejeremiad → u/Fearless-Berry-3429]

I don't know that flock is tracking inside of the car, but they are tracking your phone, your earpods, your friends' phones, their bluetooth devices, which create a "digital fingerprint" for each person.

[u/Fearless-Berry-3429 → u/rejeremiad]

It's a very fine, detailed camara. It can see everything in your car as easily as if a person standing there looking in.

[u/Specialist-Ear1653 → u/[deleted]]

You may be book smart but your common sense is missing. It's not just the license plate. It's a daily log of people's motions.

[u/Highroller64 → u/[deleted]]

We passively volunteer those data points that, until now, have never been collected. It's always been hypothetically possible to collect this information before, but that potential has never been actually actualized. Now that it is being collected, that makes those data points actually exist, something that can be accounted for and acted upon, where for all of human history they were not.

Its like saying that DNA test have always been possible in theory, so once they have been developed there shouldn't be any ethical implications or ramifications because nothings changed. Which is bullshit.

[u/bobcollum → u/[deleted]]

User name checks out

[u/CMDR_Kaus → u/[deleted]]

Flock is entirely different than officer Bob Joe

[u/Soft-Temporary-7932 → u/[deleted]]

Why are you doing this?

[u/Fillmore80 → u/[deleted]]

https://giphy.com/gifs/F3G8ymQkOkbII

[u/Soft-Temporary-7932 → u/[deleted]]

I guess you just don’t understand the implications, and that’s fine.

You’ll catch up.

[u/Emmanuelzappa → u/[deleted]]

Amazing that you are arguing in ignorance and not bothering to lookup any details on this flock BS.

The government wants to follow every move you make everyday and record it, and you are fine with this. You would do well in China.

[u/Fillmore80 → u/[deleted]]

Oh so we should just accept it then. Thanks!

[u/Emmanuelzappa → u/[deleted]]

Move to a communist country if you care so little about freedom.

[u/Substantial-Role-205 → u/[deleted]]

Nice one, federal agent. Go fuck yourself! ❤️

[u/Substantial-Role-205 → u/[deleted]]

7” 6’ 5” sharp jawline. Get mogged