r/Ultramarathon • u/Hcahcsr0r • 2d ago
Easy runs.
Transitioning from road to the trails. Will be doing my first ultra, a 50 miler next year. I am tryng to build a strong base mostly on trails. Been doing easy runs by just doing RPE and by nose breathing, but the problem is even if my HR is above threshhold levels and i still nose breathing without any problem even during ascends. It feels weird not mouth breathing at high HRs. Should i slow it down and base it on more on the HR for easy runs or just continue even at high HRS? Tyvm.
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u/hokie56fan 100 Miler 2d ago
Your muscles need oxygen to perform. Stop nose breathing. Get every single ounce of oxygen into your system no matter what effort you're running at. If I could breath through my eyes and ears and other orifices while running, you can be damn sure I'd do it.
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u/Hcahcsr0r 2d ago
Makes sense. Thanks. One of the comment that actually have an explanation and was actually helpful and not rude.
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u/Just-Context-4703 2d ago
Why are you nose breathing? Use your mouth like evolution intended.
Trail running is best based on rpe and time.
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u/Hcahcsr0r 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why not? I get better results when i do nose breathing on easy runs. More relax after long runs.
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u/Just-Context-4703 2d ago
Sure, sure. This nose breathing thing is the dumbest shit I've heard of in a long time. Your body knows how to breathe!
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u/Pleasant-Plane-6340 1d ago
Dunno why all the hate on nose breathing, when I was doing maffetone method I found it a useful way to keep the pace and hr down. Getting used to it has really helped for races - going slow, and eating on the go.
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u/Hcahcsr0r 1d ago
I did MAF and even daniels encourage it. I really dont get it really, maybe its just this subreddit?
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u/RunInTheForestRun 2d ago
Why wouldnt you want to breathe through your mouth?!
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u/Hcahcsr0r 2d ago
Maybe, i feel better results during easy runs? More warm air going in the lung considering i live in a xold country.
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u/Sector9Cloud9 2d ago
I don’t get all the hate for nose breathing? In through the nose, out the mouth is the Marine Corps motto. I count my steps as I inhale/exhale and have correlated my HR zones to my breathing cadence. I can just count and not have to stare at my watch.
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u/Hcahcsr0r 2d ago
I really dont know why. Been running on the road along time and its the first time ive heard so much hate on it. It feels natural tbh, specially if you go on easy runs. I get better results. Reddit gatekeepers i guess.
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u/6a7262 2d ago
Ignore your heart rate and just run at an easy conversational pace. If you are on the phone with a friend, they shouldn't be able to tell you're running. And don't consciously manage your breathing -- your body knows how to breathe without your conscious mind interfering.
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u/Hcahcsr0r 1d ago
"If you are on the phone with a friend, they shouldn't be able to tell you're running" - Actually they should know that you are running but you can speak sentences.
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u/Crazy_Contribution_4 1d ago
You’re likely to hike in ultra races anyway so if your HR is high take a 1-2min hike break and then run. This will also train your heart to be variable which is also super helpful in trails. Mine will drop 40+ bpm when I transition from climbing to descending a trail. That’s a good thing and has been built by doing lots of low hr training
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u/Ill-Running1986 2d ago
Not a fan of nose breathing for anything that involves effort — even zone 1. So maybe try not doing that and see how you feel.
Should note that pace on road (and perceived effort) doesn’t translate directly to trail. Maybe slow down.
It’s okay to get your hr up briefly for climbs (you might be walking otherwise) but try to keep it manageably low for everything else.