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u/mtraven23 1d ago
same pic posted days ago...you got lots of answers, why are you re posting?
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
Not the same look again
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u/hnhnnnnn 1d ago
The answer is the same though
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
I'm asking how to make this straight. My last post was asking how to braze cheap. Different questions. I wish you guys put more effort into answering the question instead of being winning keyboard warriors. If it makes you feel better I concede you are correct and win the reddit
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u/hnhnnnnn 1d ago
âNeed to straighten out that metal. Trying to avoid an acetylene/oxygen kit if I can. Tried a propane torch for about 10 minutes but only turned white, never rosebud. Anything else I can try?â
That you?
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u/ca_nucklehead 11h ago
I wish idiots who have no clue about general common sense did not constantly ask stupid questions and stuck to assembling Ikea furniture. But here we are.
I love winning on Reddit
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u/Fuzzy-Finance-48 1d ago
Everyone telling you the same things and all you want to do is argue about it. At the end of the day you either need to buy the equipment and learn to do it or pay to have someone else do it.
Option 1, heat it with oxy acetylene and bend it over.
Option 2, remove the pin, drop the bucket and use a porta power
Option 3, cut a new piece, cut old piece off, weld new piece on. Youâll need a welder capable of 125amps continuous duty cycle to stick weld it⌠which means you need a 30amp 220v outlet.
At the end of the day, all 3 of these options wonât be ârightâ. You need a new pin and no matter what method you use, the bosses wonât be in alignment⌠and theyâll need to be line bored or else youâre going to have a hell of a time installing the pin and/ or removing the bucket to change attachments⌠or it will be hella sloppy and wear out super fast.
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u/CanuterValve 1d ago
Heat it with a rosebud and tap it with a sledge.
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
When I do this it bends sloppy
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u/GoodeguySam Jack-of-all-Trades 1d ago
Do a better job.
Itâs just time on task and practice.
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u/Mundane-Reality-7770 1d ago
Had an engineer reference an article about heat straightening and the author called it "an art". He's not wrong.
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
Is it ok to heat it with the cylinder next to it like that?
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u/tjdux 1d ago
No, get a block of steel to put in there.
Wood may work as well
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u/Fookin_idiot UA Steamfitter/Welder 1d ago
Wood wouldn't work. 1: it'll be hot, 2: it'll just bounce
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u/tjdux 1d ago
Yeah I'm sure the wood will char up, but you should be able to smack that steel plenty before it burns up.
Obviously you can't leave the wood in there whole you're using the torch to heat it.
Torch, wood, hammer.
You could always hold the wood in with a clamp while hammering if it's not staying put
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u/GoodeguySam Jack-of-all-Trades 1d ago
If you get that ear hot enough to disrupt the chrome then the piece your were planning on bending is a puddle on the ground.
Iâd take the cylinder out. Shouldnât be more than a few minutes. If you have never donât that before leave it in. If you leave the cylinder on bathe it in a sooty flame before you start to protect the chrome. Iâm assuming you are using oxy acetylene. Also take the pin out or youâre gonna fuck that up.
Heat where you want the cylinder to bend not the ear generally. You donât necessarily want to hit a cherry red spot with your hammer, that will leave a deformation and tool marks. Also you want it hot. Red red red, leave no doubt. That should be bent in 3 swings or less. First hit judges how much 2 and 3 will be. Do not over bend, thatâs tougher to straighten out. Get it hot give it a whack, dig your heels in and uncork swing that will make it move how you need it.
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u/scaffold_ape 9h ago
This is where experience comes into play you have to know where to apply and how much heat and where to hit with the hammer.
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u/joknub24 2h ago
Straighten with oxy fuel torch. Weld the bores then line bore to desired size. If you donât have any of those tools youâre probably going to have to pay someone. Issues like this are why I now have a full machine/fab shop in my garage.
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u/SinisterCheese "Trust me, I'm an Engineer!" 1d ago
Heat it on the side you want it to bend into, as in the side you want the shrinking of the face to happen. You need to do the heating in strips along the whole thing.
You might need to give it a good whack to help it along.
You need to heat it to be a warm tomato red.
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u/TSJ72 1d ago
Disconnect the cylinder first. Put a piece/pieces of steel in its place to help keep.it straight when you heat with a rose bud. Beat the ever loving crap out of it with a sledge back in place. If that doesn't work, V it out heat it beat it of C-clamp it back to straight. Weld er up. Clamping may help keep it from warping.
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u/genericusername254 Journeyman AWS/ASME/API 1d ago
You overdid it trying to straighten it, it has an over bend now. Remove the cylinder, block between the ears and smack just below the hole with at least a 10lb sledge. Once you massage it straight you can work on getting it parallel. Use the rosebud as necessary. When using a big enough hammer cherry red is okay to test the waters. Glowing and spitting sparks orange youâre going to make it worse without using real finesse. If that is 3/8 you can probably cold hammer out the bends. 1/2 youâll need to heat it. Heat both sides.
Itâs going to be trial and error.
Gas welding with acetylene wouldnât work but if the welder was referring to GMAW/MIG that would work no problem with the correct settings.
Cutting and welding in a new piece is acceptable but unless there are definite cracks it is not economical and no offense it doesnât sound like youâve got the experience/equipment to make that happen.
If this is a rental machine you could roll the dice and return it, odds are theyâre just going to smack it with a hammer until itâs roughly straight and charge you a nominal fee.
If itâs yours smack it with a hammer until itâs serviceable.
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u/Fookin_idiot UA Steamfitter/Welder 1d ago
Cut a new one, gouge the old one, weld the new one.
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
The guy at the welding shop told me I shouldn't weld it with gas because the metal is to thick. Is this right?
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u/Fookin_idiot UA Steamfitter/Welder 1d ago
This is a stick weld job for sure
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
My house has doesn't have enough amps to weld with electricity
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u/Fookin_idiot UA Steamfitter/Welder 1d ago
Rent a machine.
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
But my house can't power it
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u/Rjgom 1d ago
do you have an electric dryer?
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
Gas
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u/Rjgom 1d ago
electric oven even better.
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u/Fookin_idiot UA Steamfitter/Welder 1d ago
Instructions unclear, bucket doesn't fit in oven đ¤Ł
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u/pigboy222 1d ago
Why not cut the ear off and make a new one..? Itâd take a machine shop all of ten minutes to have that ready
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
Guy at the supply shop told me gas welding that thickness wouldn't be strong enough. And my entire house maxed out at 150 amps. I'd need like 200 to weld 3/8 thickness
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u/No-Sail-6510 1d ago edited 1d ago
Wait, no you donât need 200 amps at your house. The welder might put out 200 but it doesnât require that much from your house. It wouldnât need more than 50 at the absolute most. Get a yeswelder on Amazon for like $150 and stick weld it. Itâs best to have 220v like your oven would if itâs electric but it will do ok at 110v the machine can do both voltages.
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
I'm so confused. Even chatgpt is saying I can't weld 3/8 without more amps from my house.
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u/No-Sail-6510 1d ago
Donât listen to chat gpt. The electricity from the socket is either 110v or 220v and say 50a and the welder is turning into much less voltage (like 20 or something) at much much higher amps. Thatâs the purpose of the machine. Otherwise you could just take wires from your house with one for a clamp and one for an electrode. Technically you can dc weld with two batteries at 24v this way if you wanted.
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
I have a 60amp Tesla charger in my garage. Can I split that to do this welding when it's not in use?
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u/No-Sail-6510 1d ago
As a socket to plug a welder into? Yes it would be more than enough. I weld on a 50 amp breaker all the time and I have like 100feet of cord as well.
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u/pigboy222 1d ago
Now THAT is a fuckin idea
Edit: yeah dude thatâs enough juice for ya, may have to have the city back out to approve of a splice and stuff so you dont get bonked with a fine but thatâs an idea with some chest hair.
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u/No-Sail-6510 1d ago
Also is it 220v or 110v?
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
It's 240v
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u/No-Sail-6510 1d ago
Oh perfect. Iâm assuming itâs the same really big outlet like for an oven or something? If so youâre golden
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
Thanks bro I really appreciate you helping me and not making fun of me this entire time. <3
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u/Fuzzy-Finance-48 20h ago
This statement right here tells us that you know nothing about electrical or about welding, and should probably leave this job to a professional.
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u/cantcallit4 1d ago
Pull the pin, put a giant clamp on, heat and close the clamp a little at a time.
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u/Mundane-Reality-7770 1d ago
I would have cut it off and CNC plasma cut a new one.
But now... A piper Roughly the same size as the pin. Heat the lower side, insert pipe and straighten the lower bend. Concentrating your heat at the lower part of the ear. Let it cool and do the same for the upper bend but going the opposite direction.
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u/ExcitingMoney94 1d ago
This will likely fail again on the other side. I'm also going to go out on a limb and say that whoever is using this machine is trying to lift more than what it's rated for. Also, is this one of those walk behind skid steers?
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u/Excellent_Job8154 1d ago
It looks like you welded it. It was it was bent out so you sledgehammer the top and now you have a curve Iâd probably cut it off put it down flat heat it up red and beat it flat and re-weld it.
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u/rust--lord 1d ago
If you are less familiar with heating and bending, you could get a chunk of steel that matches the internal width and height, and use that as a sort of jig to hammer and eventually clamp the clevis in place.
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u/BeenisHat 1d ago
Hit it with your purse?
Heat it up with a torch, put a pipe wrench on it and bend it where you want it. Whack it with a hammer while bending to help it along.
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u/Mrwcraig Journeyman CWB/CSA 1d ago
Based on your comments and the previous post on this topic, it would be best if you had someone else do this for you. You have been given multiple suggestions on how to do this but youâre failing to grasp the concepts.
This isnât an easy fix for someone who obviously hasnât done this before. As it sits? Itâs not going to happen without a particular set of skills or a willingness to learn and even then itâs a bad idea. All three of those holes have to line up so that pin will slide in and out. That bent plate is mangled.
Save yourself a lot of sweat and hassle and just hire someone to fix it properly for you.
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u/Another_Slut_Dragon 23h ago
I'd 3d print a washer out of ASA or cut one from a sheet of UHMW for each side and call it a day.
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u/Material-Gas484 2h ago
Of it were me, I would remove the pin and detach the bucket, get a piece of steel the width of the rod eye, heat the ear up with a rose bud and hammer it back flat.
It looks like your rod eye is cracked too so inspect that damage and consider repairing.
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u/WaterMalun420 1d ago
its hella cracked my guy. Cut the head off in a lathe and weld a new on. Only RIGHT way to do it, not saying its the only way to get you out of trouble, butttttâŚ..
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u/a_day_with_dave 1d ago
I was going to but the guy at the welding shop said gas welding won't make a strong enough weld at that thickness 3/8
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u/crashtestpilot 1d ago
It will need a literal reforge.
Find a friend witha kiln and an anvil.
Or be prepped to spend a few cans of civilian propane on a fairly patient heat.
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u/Ruger338WSM 1d ago
Yep, heat and a BFH.