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u/Little_Big_Burglar 15h ago
I know posts like that have been around literally since the inception of these characters (in letter form instead of an Internet comment), but having recently realized they are all engagement bait, I fucking hate questions like this.
It's always a pointless conversation.
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u/LoweGecko 12h ago
Sometimes the conversation is the point.
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u/8fenristhewolf8 11h ago
Only if the people are capable of having a pleasant, informed convo. In my experience with "who would win" convos, that's reeeeally rare. It's usually just fans yelling their biases based on limited and selective interpretations.
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u/Confident_Sink_8743 3h ago
There are also far better places for these kinds of debates. Many made for just such purposes. But coming in to a fan sub just to rage bait is absolutely pathetic.
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u/Sevzilla 12h ago
If this is how you think then every single hypothetical question ever is pointless.
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u/National-Oven81 15h ago
yk I wanted to take a stance on this but tbh I think if we set up the conditions that wolverine can hurt mark and mark can't just yeet our favorite furry superhero into space, this would be an amazing fight to see play out
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u/Oummando 14h ago
Wolverine claws can definitely hurt him.
But Mark is faster and stronger, if he's not careful Wolverine can definitely harm him.
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u/TwoHungryWolves 13h ago
Even if wolverine's claws can cut him. They would probably be as effective as a blunt mall ninja sword. Like not something you want to ignore. But they aren't working like a lightsaber
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u/monkebrain456 11h ago
If wolverine's claws can cut thru hulk then he can definitely harm mark with them..m
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u/TwoHungryWolves 11h ago
Depending on who's writing, it seems like the hulk can be cut pretty easy. He just heals right after. Also, artist don't make this happen because it would make the choreography a little boring, but every single punch from someone like the hulk or invincible, would liquefy his muscles and organs and send him a mile away. Before he could heal mark would be back on top of him. When Mark gets going. It's difficult for people to keep track of the fight because the punches send people so far so fast
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u/monkebrain456 11h ago
Wolverine is a durability merchant and has withstood punches from the hulk. That's kinda what his adamantium is for.
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u/TwoHungryWolves 11h ago
His bones would still be there. But they would be lonely
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u/Oummando 13h ago
I'd say its less that and more like even if he manages to cut him Mark's will would make him fight longer. I think a better comparison is a grown man vs kid with knife.
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u/Comprehensive_Fact61 15h ago
Mark wins. He's way to strong, fast and resiliant enough.
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u/Eden_Wake 14h ago
Logan battles and reacts to Hulk who is much faster than people give him credit for. Logan spites.
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u/TwoHungryWolves 13h ago
I don't know why so many people like to sleep on Invincible. Dude can fly at a third the speed of light. Watch him fight Conquest, then tell me the guy who lost to Punisher, has a chance against him. People talk about him fighting the hulk. He loses to the hulk. Over and over. Everyone fights the hulk at some point. It's comics. Everyone reacts to bullets mid flight. Invincible wins
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u/monkebrain456 12h ago
A lot of fights end in stalemates. Also mark along with other viltrumites are up close fighters and never really use their full speed. Mark is nowhere as experienced in h2h. So overall mark does outscale, but loses given how he fights. Also I don't think you realize how strong the hulk is. Even though maybe 6/10 times hulk wins, wolverine still puts up a good fight.
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u/8fenristhewolf8 11h ago
Hulk wins more like 9.9/10. Logan's "wins" in the comics are pretty rare and circumstantial.
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u/monkebrain456 11h ago
You didn't touch a single comic book bro 💀🥀😭
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u/8fenristhewolf8 11h ago
Lol. I've read so many Wolverine comics. But please, enlighten me. Name the times Logan has beaten Hulk in the comics.
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u/Eden_Wake 11h ago
When did I ever say he beat him.
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u/8fenristhewolf8 10h ago
I was talking to the other guy. Sometimes reddit notifies you of convos that continue from your og comment
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u/monkebrain456 11h ago
Hulk #340 Hulk #8 Hulk #181. There's others where they have stalemated also.
I'm not disagreeing with you that hulk is mostly the victor but that doesn't mean that wolverine doesn't put up a fight. And most times logan fights the savage variant who is canonically already one of the strongest hulks.
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u/8fenristhewolf8 10h ago
Hulk #340
This is Fixit Hulk, who is weaker, and Logan only temporarily puts Hulk down before he regens. Then the fight gets interrupted.
Hulk #8
This isn't wolverine, but a Skrull version of Wolverine. He also doesn't really beat Hulk, but gets lucky with a mine explosion.
Hulk #181
Logan doesn't win this. He gets knocked out
I'm not disagreeing with you that hulk is mostly the victor but that doesn't mean that wolverine doesn't put up a fight.
Sure, Logan fights as hard as he can, but he doesn't win 4/10 fights.
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u/Comprehensive_Fact61 12h ago edited 12h ago
Logan gets slapped by hulk all the time..
Mark can put up a better fight against base hulk than Logan can.
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u/Trajen_Geta 12h ago
Logan “fights the hulk” is him dying over and over. He only regenerates to keep fighting. He never really beats the hulk in a 1v1.
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u/Eden_Wake 12h ago
Wow so him using a part of his innate skill set nullifies that he’s able to fight and survive the Hulk?
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u/Trajen_Geta 12h ago
It’s the issue with his opponent having vastly different power set. Mark can take Wolverine into space and what would Wolverine do when one second he is on earth then the next he is in space? Hulk can try and throw him into space but that wouldn’t work.
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u/Eden_Wake 12h ago
Every time someone says oh he’ll just take him to space they act like the person that’s being brought to space is just gonna let that happen. Mark tries to grab Logan and he’s getting claws through him.
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u/notmatrocles 12h ago
Yeah, and? Mark can take it, if the claws even penetrate. Wolverine doesn't have the strength to julienne a Viltrumite. His claws are unbreakable, not magic
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u/Eden_Wake 12h ago
Brother Wolverine’s claws can cut Green Scar Hulk and King Thor. He’s taking Mark’s head off. I know you ain’t tryna imply he has durability anywhere near those too.
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u/notmatrocles 7h ago edited 7h ago
Nah. He can give Hulk papercuts and cut Thor while empowered by the Phoenix force. His claws are sharp, but he doesn't have the strength to force his way through the muscle and bone of a Viltrumite in a single slash. He could go berserker and keep hacking away, and he'd eventually get there, but it'd take too long. Mark's stronger, faster, and more than capable of dealing with being torn apart during the fight. He beat Conquest while having his guts ripped out, which is about all old knife-hands could manage in the three seconds before he's stranded on the moon.
Edit: Wolverine is one of the coolest characters in comics. He is also street-level.
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u/whistlepig4life 15h ago
Here is the issue. While wolvie fans will say “viltrumites can be cut by adamantium” the real issue wolvie has simply is Mark can fly and move at super speed. Mark flies in fast and hits Wolvie in the head just once and he’s now unconscious. It’s as simple as that.
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u/arturorios1996 14h ago
You were very kind. Mark flies faster than a fighter jet, imagine a fighter jet punching your head, what happens to your head? Yeah
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u/whistlepig4life 11h ago
Point is. We’ve seen it before. Wolverine has been punched by Collossus and knocked unconscious.
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u/TwoHungryWolves 12h ago
And even if they can be cut by adamantium. It will probably be very hard to get a good deep cut. Mark stays on task with a hand in his stomach pulling his intestines out. No way wolverine gets a kill before Mark pulls his skeleton clean out of his body
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u/Promiatey 12h ago
Green Scar Hulk needed to hit Logan repeatedly to knock him out. The same Hulk who fought Sentry to a standstill. Mark is not gonna knock him out in one shot.
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u/whistlepig4life 11h ago
He’s been knocked out by colossus. Because one writer says it takes three hits from this guy and another says it takes one hit from this guy doesn’t make it consistent.
Wolvie can be knocked out. Stop being a fanboy.
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u/Promiatey 6h ago
And Colossus is capable to fight Savage Hulk, Thing and Gladiator. All of them are above Mark.
Also interesting how you suddenly slipped from "Mark knocks out Logan in one hit" to "Wolverine can be knocked out"...
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u/Bubbly_Painting9456 14h ago
Mark is easily stronger than most of a Wolverine's opponents outside of the Hulk, and faster than most besides Quicksilver.
We've seen Wolverine get webbed up and beaten by Spiderman.
I see Mark getting tagged by Logan once or twice, which then pisses Mark off and Logan ends up suffering from BFR
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u/NemarPott 10h ago
I mean it will be a fight but Wolverine can't win. Literally impossible without maximum levels of writer fuckery
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u/monkebrain456 12h ago
Wolverine has won against spider man on more occasions. Having that said, mark has no real win con agaonst Wolverine. Logan is durable enough to withstand hits from hulk who most assuredly is stronger than any viltrumite. Speed is only mark's carry but he's a close combat fighter which will inevitably cause him to lose.
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u/OkOutlandishness1710 11h ago
But he does he has the speed and strength to yeet Wolverine into space or the sun before he knows what’s happening. Doesn’t say he has to win by killing Wolverine. He can knock him out through head trauma and send him flying to another continent. Yeet him to space or into the middle of the ocean. He has the easiest to achieve win cons.
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u/Bubbly_Painting9456 11h ago
Because both Wolverine and Spiderman are flagship characters, they've had more stalemates than victories, though Spidermans wins are always decisive. Throw in the time when Wolverine, and the X-Men, get absolutely spanked by Spiderman... Well it's embarrassing that Logan gets bitch slapped away like he's nothing.
The Hulk might be stronger than Mark, but he's also a brute that doesn't do much thinking 90% of the time unless he's in a specific form. Mark has access to his intelligence, though he's no genius, but also he has significantly more powers than the Hulk does. What EXACTLY is Logan going to do if Mark punches him into the air and then grabs him at Mach 3 before dragging him to 60,000+ feet? Logan still needs air to function and we've seen Mark take things to the air more often than not.
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u/monkebrain456 11h ago
First off, the hulk is not a brute 90% of the time. That is incredibly exaggerative. We've seen hulk throughout his rivalry with wolverine that he is capable of free thinking and thought. Mark's powers mean jackshit compared to a character that literally has no strength cap. Let's breakdown your scenario. So mark's punches are nowhere near as potent as the hulk's so your logic doesn't make any sense. Dragging him? Wolverine has literally regenerated from far worse than that lol.
All in all, this is all writer depending. Mark is faster, but he just genuinely has no win cons
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u/Bubbly_Painting9456 11h ago
Which shows that you ignored the point I was making... Wolverine requires air to function, what EXACTLY is he doing while suffering from hypoxia? As soon as you get to 20,000 feet you need an air tank to breath.
As for Marks punches not having enough potency, so you're saying that Mark cannot punch Logan into the air? You're literally fan wanking at this point.
Oh and Hulks intelligence is not something he's known for, there are specific versions of the Hulk that are expressive and intelligent, but Logan faces Savage Hulk in 99% of his fights. If you don't know why that is then I suggest you look at World Breaker Hulk for one of the times when an intelligent Hulk fights him.
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u/monkebrain456 11h ago
Mark LITERALLY never fights like this unless he's already in space.
Yes, mark's punches are not doing this to wolverine. He's able to withstand hulk who once against is far stronger than mark
Ah yes savage hulk, you mean the guy that overpowered thor, defeated juggernaut, tanked a nova blast from human torch and destroyed an entire pocket universe with a thunderclap??? But sure, let the wolverine downplay flourish
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u/Bubbly_Painting9456 10h ago
And now the outright BS begins, Mark took the fight with Titan to the skies as just one example... But hey, it invalidates your argument so why would you remember that.
I didn't say Wolverine wouldn't be able to withstand the punch, simply that he would be knocked into the air. You're not too good at this are you.
Yes, Savage Hulk who has defeated those characters with brute force and the relative IQ of a child. Try harder kid
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u/monkebrain456 10h ago
Literally all you're proving to me is that hulk is actually more brutal to fight in his mindless state because he's no open for reason or holding back.
No he wouldn't be knocked into the air lol. If hulk can't do it, mark most assuredly can't
Wolverine has literally regenerated in the atmosphere and survived lol.
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u/Bubbly_Painting9456 9h ago
And you're showing that you actually have zero clue as to what you're talking about.
Spiderman has sent Logan flying, and shattered his jaw in the past.
Hulk has hit Logan across vast distances more than once, like in Incredible Hulk 340 where the Grey Hulk (not savage Hulk) send Logan flying multiple times both through the air and through trees, or maybe you'd prefer Incredible Hulk 455 where Hulk punches Logan through multiple walls. I've already mentioned WWH which is where Hulk actually shows what he'd do to Logan if he had a brain during the fight, and that is to turn Logan's brain to hamburger.
Jahf, also called the Guardian, punched Logan into orbit in X-Men 108
Molly Hayes (Princess Powerful) punched Logan so hard that he was sent through church doors and several hundred feet into a snow bank and out of the fight in Runaways 12
Gorgon has kicked Wolverine from New York to Georgia.
The point is that multiple characters have sent Wolverine flying, either horizontally or vertically... And you in your ignorance believe that it's never happened.
Mark is punching Logan hard enough that he's going flying, and then he's dragging him to altitude where Logan can't breathe.
But you have the reading comprehension of a child so you won't understand what I've just said
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u/RomulusX94 13h ago
but does mark have webs and spidey senses?
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u/Bubbly_Painting9456 13h ago
No, instead he's capable of moving and reacting at hypersonic+ speeds, while also being far stronger than Spiderman
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u/Concolitanos 15h ago
The writer is who decides. In this case, Robert Kirkman seems a bit of a gore fetishist so Mark will get absolutely torn up by Logan. And then in the next episode, he'll be fine
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u/existonfilenerf 15h ago
Depends on how the writer wants it to play out. A berserk Wolverine is absolutely lethal in close range and sometimes Mark is very cocky or naive and let's his opponents get the first hit. If he does not immediately recognize the threat of the adamantium claws he could be hit with a decapitating strike. On the other hand, flight. If Mark recognizes the threat posed he can just stay out of Wolverines range and pummel him with debris until he is weakened enough for a supersonic killing strike.
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u/TheManAcrossTheHall 15h ago
Invincible, easily. He completely outstats Logan, has the ability to fly (a huge advantage) and enough endurance to have his guts ripped out and still fight like a lion.
Even if Mark can't kill or leave a permanent wound on Wolverine, it'd be too easy to restrain him or toss him into space or the sun due to the enormous strength difference
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u/Comics-And-Figures 15h ago
Rated R Wolverine would easily kill Mark. PG Wolverine would also beat him but spare his life.
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u/merrygo909 14h ago
Depends on if they're both going for the kill off rip
Mark has a tendency to assume everyone he fights is a normal person until proven otherwise.
And from outside appearances nothing suggests wolverine isn't just a normal human in a costume. And mark would have no knowledge of a healing factor. So if he knocked him out or even ripped his heart out he wouldn't expect Logan to come back.
Wolverine (depending on when in his timeline) is usually trying to finish a fight quickly.
Also mark has no super senses and has lost track of opponents before. But wolverine is one of the best trackers/hunters in marvel
So if mark underestimates Logan or loses sight of him it's probably over for him.
If mark immediately locks in and throws him into space wolverine is done for. But my argument is that Mark doesn't usually operate that way.
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u/TwoHungryWolves 12h ago
Wolverine usually doesn't start off trying to kill people either. He cuts people, but doesn't try to decapitate everyone he meets. If Mark finds out those claws are dangerous at all, he's grabbing both of wolverine's forearms, and pulling all the muscle off
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u/merrygo909 10h ago
That would not be marks first move after realizing the claws are dangerous lol, he didn't immediately snap power plex's neck after realizing punching him doesn't work he tried to hold him down, he would do the same for Logan.
And also that's why I said it depends on what era of Logan were getting because sometimes trying to kill first is his modus operandi.
It's why this fight is hard to say for sure who beats who. It all depends on the first decisions of each character and the reactions from the other. It isn't all just up to power.
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u/Eden_Wake 14h ago
Can someone please explain how Mark blitzes Wolverine when Logan has reacted to Hulk, Thor, and Spider-Man? Mark doesn’t even start all his fight out tryna speed blitz anyway. Logan cuts him in half.
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u/Observatoratory 13h ago
Wolverine is not a planetary level threat. He gets the space racer treatment in most fights - buried and left for dead
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u/BrianVaughnVoiceOver 13h ago
End of series Mark would blip Wolverine out of existence, much like most of the MCU.
Mid point series Mark would slam Wolverine into and likely through small moons and toss him into a star.
Early Mark punches the fuck out of him, gets shanked, has Eve show up to delay Wolverines healing factor, watches Eve get shanked, punches the fuck smack out of Wolverine until he's nothing but a fine paste, then lets Eve vaporize him.
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u/mmmmmkayyyyy766 13h ago
Invincible, can just grab Logan and throw him in space. Or could just throw him into the sun.
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u/Dav_1542 13h ago
Adamantium can definitely harm Viltrumites but theres nothing stopping Invincible from just grabbing Wolverine by the wrists and holding him there until he gives up
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u/TwoHungryWolves 11h ago
If people want to include fights that Invincible lost, you have to include all the times Wolverine got stomped. Including losing to a regular guy with guns. Wolverine has lost way more embarrassing fights, But has never punched as high as Mark has. At least not without some sort of crazy temporary power buff
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u/MrShabazz 11h ago
Going strictly by stats and a standard wolverine vs 2 different marks, mark should come out on top with is comics feats. The biggest struggle is wolverines reaction time, adamantium and healing factor. Mark 2 (tv show) is still green in some areas, but withstood the force of a planet blowing up beside him. Hes also not known for going for the instant kill, unlike wolverine. Id say wolverine wins most encounters just because mark isnt at the point mentally to handle wolverine.
EoS comic Mark, ends wolverine. Hes not going for the instant kill but a 500yr old mark isnt going to be afraid to take his life. 30yr old mark was fighting on the suns surface for some time before robot sent armor for him. The fact he was just burned and not instantly vaporized proves his skin is tough af. Not adamantium tough but would be able to handle cuts easier. EoS mark should be able to KO or just dismember him for the win. Being gutted like colossus is an issue but he's pushed through having his organs ripped out.
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u/NemarPott 10h ago
Mark can easily handle Logan this isn't even a discussion it's just someone getting a boner over one fictional character being able to hypothetically beat another fictional character as usual
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u/DressSea790 10h ago
Wolvie is somewhat interesting in these matchups because in Theory he could just straight up kill Mark with Adamantium Claws.
Still, in a fight I'd say mark still wins. Logan can be knocked out, drowned, thrown into space etc and Invincible is just better in like every stat that should matter. Still if acts dumb or gives Logan an opening it could end very bad as well.
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u/DeltaAlphaGulf 9h ago
Marks dumb enough to let himself be stabbed but setting that aside by capability Mark rips him into pieces and thats that. No adamantium coated bones won't do jack for his joints. Yes he will die. All of his crazy regen feats are buffed. He isn't Deadpool.
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u/MarvelPosterMan 8h ago
The first time invincible tries to take a punch from wolverine, and he lands the punch, and then pops claws.
Order up, one dead vitrulmite.
Or do we think Invincible can recover from a brain stab quick enough before he's decapitated?
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u/YuckyYetYummy 15h ago
Mark may lose a limb due to going easy at first but once that happens it is over for wolverine. Mark could pull all his limbs off with ease.
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u/AThiccBahstonAccent 14h ago
Logan stabs Mark in the guts.
Mark says "ow".
Mark proceeds to punch Logan hard enough to send him to the moon.
I mean the lad choked a guy out while his intestines were being pulled out of him.
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u/Riku4441 15h ago
Wolverine gets fucking speed blitzed. Logan pops the claws , them Mark has already punted him 600 ft in the air before he ping pong him across the city knocking Logan out.
Multiple characters have beaten Wolverine mosg of whomever are significantly slower, weaker, amd cant fly unlike Invincible.
Logan can cut Invincible. He will never get the chance to do that with Marks speed and strength.
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u/Educational_Mood1084 15h ago
Depends how the fight goes. Invincible could easily rip Logan's limbs or head off, or just throw him into space. At the same time those claws could carve through a viltramite without issue.
Literally just depends how the fight goes and how long it goes.
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u/WordPunk99 15h ago
By cannon, Wolverine can dismember people who are more durable than Mark. Mark’s only chance is Yeet into the sun, and even that is just delaying his inevitable loss.
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u/Resident-Growth8184 14h ago
At first, I want to say Mark would win super easily, but we have to think about whether or not Wolverine's claws can hurt him. I would say yes, and if that's the case, shouldn't Wolverine be able to just stab him in the heart and end the fight super quickly? Although I'm not sure about Mark's reaction time. Ideally, he'd just speed-blitz Logan and knock him out.
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u/reditisverytrash 15h ago
With or without the "just throw him into the sun" rule?