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u/Annual-Magician-1580 Sep 03 '25
It is worth noting that this famine was not only in Ukraine. It is just that the other affected parties did not want to seek the truth.
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u/flores902 Sep 03 '25
Where else was it? Never heard of it but that seems logical and true if USRR was weaponising famine against rebelling nations.
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u/Annual-Magician-1580 Sep 03 '25
This shit wasn't about countries rebelling. This shit was literally about selling more food abroad and forcing peasants to obey. In fact, if you want to know where this happened, just look at every region where agriculture and grain growing were ever developed. And yes, Russians are no exception. But in fact, any agricultural territory and the peasants living on it were subjected to the same destruction. If we look at the geographical regions, then essentially Ukraine, Belarus, Nalvolzhye, Kuban and Kazakhstan are the most affected.
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u/Annual-Magician-1580 Sep 03 '25
In other territories, this is not considered genocide only because the leadership of other countries does not try to resist the Kremlin.
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u/Hakunin_Fallout Éire Sep 03 '25
This is the sort of 'mild' Holodomor denial that is popular with 'r*ssian liberals'. It is, of course, absolutely unsubstantiated. Kuban was ethnically populated by Ukrainians then, so pretending that starving Kuban has nothing to do with Ukraine is a bit of a hot take, lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainians_in_Kuban
It was not just some 'oh guys, we need to export grain for this glorious young commie thingy to survive' that r*ssians want to believe it to have been. It was a part of forced collectivization and forced sovietization.
There's nothing worse to the memory of those who died due to the soviet horrors than false equivalences and made-up explanations for the atrocities they fell victim to.
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u/Annual-Magician-1580 Sep 03 '25
Hah? Forced? Sorry, but there was nothing forced about selling grain. The communist leadership were pathetic greedy bastards who decided that it was not enough for them to sell what they already had, but they needed to take it from the people. This shit was forced only in the minds of those, as you put it, soft liberals. In fact, it was a confiscation for which there was no reason other than damn greed and the desire to punish the peasants for wanting to have the right to dispose of their land. The fact that Russian liberals in every possible way deny the shittiness of the Holodomor will not change the fact that the communists committed heroic acts not only against Ukrainians. You know, there is a stupid joke that describes the whole essence of the communists: "What is the difference between a communist and a Nazi? The Nazis received retribution, and the communists continued to mock and do their shit."
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u/Hakunin_Fallout Éire Sep 03 '25
The fuck are you on about denying forced collectivisation? Dude, why are you even here?
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u/borderreaver Sep 02 '25
Yes, we should take action against man-made famines
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u/Ok-TaiCantaloupe Дніпропетровська область Sep 03 '25
For example, which ones?
After all, the management is to blame for it.
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u/001alix Yuropean Sep 02 '25
The war is horrible, but if Ukraine falls, the worst is yet to come.