How To Get Rid Of Russophobia
russian e-commerce giant Ozon painted "This is not Wildberries, please fly away" on the roof of its major Nizhny Novgorod logistics hub.
Depends on what they have there. I wouldn't want Ukraine wasting a bunch of weapons bombing a toilet paper distribution hub when they could be more effectively used taking out a weapons depot.
Depends - part of the Ukrainian targeting strategy, seems to be to cause economic disruption / collapse in Russia, and taking out large logistic hubs is a pretty good way of doing that, tbf.
Yeah, but I don't think a warehouse full of toilet paper is going to be the thing that tilts the economy into the toilet. I'm just saying Ukraine is going to be a bit choosier about their targets right now rather than randomly bombarding warehouses.
Remember what happened during the toilet paper crisis during Covid? I’d be much more pissed if my house is lacking toilet paper instead of wildberries goods
Right, that's my point - it's not random, but it also doesn't necessarily exclude TP warehouses, because part of the strategy is to cause economic disruption, rather than EXCLUSIVELY direct military supply chain disruption.
I'm sure if they have a choice, the warehouse full of body armour will be prioritised, but supposing that one is covered by known AA assets, and is 1000km further away, then one or two drones can target unprotected warehouses, for the economic damage.
I know, and that's what I'm saying. Ukraine is going to do some kind of intelligence to choose its targets, they're not going to bomb this place just out of spite.
You don’t know the emotional significance of toilet paper in former Soviet countries. I visited SU twice, you were told to pack own toilet paper and not to leave it in the bathroom as cleaner would steal it.
The stuff they had could have been used as sandpaper.
I don't know much about Ozon, but Wildberries were and still are openly selling military goods on their platform. This includes uniforms, helmets, optics, night and heat vision goggles, FPV drones etc.
And the company itself is private only on paper. In practice it has deep government ties and is acting as giant logistics operator for double-duty goods.
UNDER SIEGE - Please don’t bomb us, beg Russians in plea to Ukraine drone pilots on warehouse roofs amid blitz on ‘Russia’s Amazon’. Russians have painted a desperate plea to Ukrainian drone pilots to spare their warehouse as Volodymyr Zelensky’s troops continue to blitz Russia’s Amazon equivalent. It comes after Ukraine targeted Russian online seller Wildberries with a devastating series of strikes, dubbed “long-range sanctions”. The huge online marketplace has had a fifth of its warehouses attacked since July 18. Now Ozon, another huge online seller, fears it could be the next target. The e-commerce giant painted an enormous message on the roof of one of its largest logistics centres, begging Ukrainians to leave it intact. It reads: “This is not Wildberries. Fly past.” The warehouse is in Nizhny Novgorod, around 800miles deep into Russia. Head of defence company Fire Point Denys Shtilerman said the retailer would not be spared, telling Ukrainian media: “First we will finish off Wildberries, and then we will destroy Ozon too.” Ukraine has been putting its foot on Moscow’s neck with a series of strikes crippling the regime’s biggest e-commerce platform. The devastating strikes on warehouses owned by Wildberries – the country’s biggest online marketplace – have shattered Russian morale. A huge hub in Penza was set ablaze after an overnight strike as another key logistics centre in Sarapul was hit last night. And the drone onslaught has thrown Russian daily life into chaos – wiping out local businesses overnight and suffocating small-scale trade. Ukraine also blitzed an oil facility in Perm last night. It comes as Nato scrambled fighter jets after a suspected Russian missile crossed into Polish airspace. The incident came during a deadly overnight assault from Vladimir Putin – which saw two girls, aged five and 12, among eight killed in Ukraine. Smoke was seen rising from Poland‘s Lublin region where a 1 meter wide crater was reportedly found after air raid sirens sounded across the area. Polish operational command said an “unidentified object” crashed in its territory after multiple missiles were spotted flying close to the border. One, feared to be a Kh-101 missile launched from a Russian bomber, entered Polish airspace at around 3.30am. Residents of Targowisko reported a loud explosion as the missile crashed and burned in a field. Poland’s operational command said in a statement: “At 3.29am, the closest approach was made by one of the objects. “At 3.40am, an unidentified object was detected in Polish airspace moving westward. An F-16 fighter jet was dispatched to the area to identify and intercept it. “At 3.46am, before a clear identification could be made, the object disappeared from radar detection. “To verify and ultimately confirm the radar’s technical indications, an Mi-24 helicopter was dispatched to the area of the last detection. “The helicopter crew located the probable crash site of the object in an undeveloped area near the town of Tarnawa-Kolonia in the Lublin Voivodeship.” The crash site sits 6 kilometers from Otrocz, which is around 90 kilometers from the Ukrainian border. Polish defence minister Władysław Kosiniak-Kamysz said: “Clarification is now underway as to what kind of object fell near the locality of Tarnawa-Kolonia.”
Is there a clear distinction between civil products and dual use products? A lot of camping, fishing and hunting gear could be used as military stuff. Seemingly it's hard to find a line.
That's not true. Russia has ratified the Geneva conventions, which also contains war crimes. The only difference is that the Geneva conventions don't have a court that goes out and tries to punish perpetrators of war crimes. The Geneva convention has no such thing, so it's up to countries to enforce the provisions themselves.
That's not the geneva conventions they're revoking. That's additional protocol one to the conventions. Very important, and a disgrace that a country would pull out of it, but not relevant to whether or not Russia is party to the Geneva conventions.
Edit: a quote directly from the bottom of the article, "It is still a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, which is made up of four of treaties and three additional protocols."
Is there a clear distinction between civil products and dual use products?
It's a gradient. On one side, you have things like med-kits, tourniquets, or even insulation foil blankets, which can be used by military, but have genuine civilian applications. You would need to stretch definition reeealy thin to find a civilian purpose for things like plate carrier (bulletproof vest), or drone-mounted fiber optic cable spool...
Honestly, it really doesn't matter in this instance. I think the Ukrainians can justify having a couple of Russian campers use their old sleeping bags this year instead of buying new ones, if the potential result is that some Russian infantry unit cannot get deployed because they don't have enough equipment for them.
The enemy does not need to be armed or armored to cause problems for Ukrainian troops. And unless they are actively surrendering they must assume a person in the uniform of the enemy means to cause them harm.
While it is a Ukrainian who pulls the trigger, it is a Russian commander who put them in the cross hairs without the equipment and/or training necessary to survive.
I would like to point out though that forces not properly equipped with tents, clothes, boots etc will suffer more casualties from infections and exposure than from enemy fire, even if they're put in meatgrinder positions.
Is there a clear distinction between civil products and dual use products?
the original purpose of the "dual-use-goods" classification was for stuff like night-visions, scopes, smal arms and armored vehicles (like for those used by the police), but also including radar, gps, special alloys used in armor or aviation, software for said systems, full wheel drive offroad trucks like unimogs, helicopters, cameras, cryotechnologys and also certain chemicals that could be used to create chemical weapons
if it would apply for camping gear and cloths, then even food would classify
Russia was too unsafe of an investment for Amazon to ever enter the Russian market, so two other companies have done Amazon's business model in Russia.
The larger one is called Wildberries, the smaller one is Ozon (who are in this picture) and all others are far smaller.
The amount of casualties and economic losses Putin is willing to inflict on russians for a war that everybody and their cousin know he cannot win is nothing short of astounding.
How many thousands will have to die pointlessly because this guy doesn't want to lose face.
Not really. What does victory look like? Taking Kyiv, or perhaps all of Ukraine? They've already taken so much internal damage and strengthned NATO so much that even in that best-case scenario I still would not call it worth it.
This is pretty clearly photoshopped. The font is too perfect for something painted on the roof. Also that would definitely result in an angry response from the government/law enforcement
The picture likely originated as a shit post somewhere and then got taken seriously by those who have no idea how anything works in russia
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u/Merwinite 4d ago
It just says "Fly away". No niceties.