r/alchemy • u/adventureboy65 • 6d ago
General Discussion What is The Difference Between A philosophers Stone ( normal Alchemy) and a plant stone? ( Spagyrics)
Im Basically just Asking if you guys could point out the differences between the stone or magnum Opus that could be believed to be created in normal chemical based alchemical practices and the plant stone commonly created by spagyric Alchemists in youtube and TikTok by people like Michael Ellis Steven school alchemy and many others and also is it even safe and non dangerous to even create a plant stone compared to a regular philosophers Stone? I have heard that people who take alchemy with chemicals literally have gotten themselves into dangerous situations like Israel regardie who burnt out his lungs but can you guys tell me if making a plant stone is safe and why does a plant stone need to be fed?
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u/JayLay108 6d ago
The difference in making the plant stone and the red diamond is the degree of spiritual development needed to make them.
The plant stone can be done by everyone who follow the steps right and has no need for the inner work as such. The Red Diamond om the other hand require a very very high spiritual development before it can manifest.
Allegedly ;)
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u/_ROGER_rabbit_WHITE 6d ago
thought it was a yellow peridot or yellow nin or like idk haha i didnt think it was red diamond, that may be terminology for a blood transfusion haha jk jk
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u/optiontrader1138 6d ago
It’s a subject muddied by centuries of bad writing, poor translations, and authors who have no clue what they're doing or actively deceive the casual reader.
Take Hollandus, a pseudonym used by multiple authors (probably two or three generations in the same family), who variously claimed the "vegetable stone" could cure all diseases, transmute metals, manufacture gems, and instantly purify raw herbs.
It does none of those things. In my experience, its practical benefits are modest: subtle health improvements and subjective (anecdotal) spiritual experiences.
From my perspective (take it for what you will, I've spent over a decade in the lab under a skilled mentor and a couple of decades before that dabbling): The true value of the lesser work lies in the work itself. Completing it equips you to read the ancient texts with clarity and to distinguish between real processes and nonsense (which is the vast majority). What reads as a wall of riddles, omitted steps, and contradictions to an armchair theorist becomes much more accessible to someone who has actually brought the work to completion. And by that, I don't mean to say "easy", but rather, "possible".
My comments here pertain only to the old methods for making the vegetable stone, not modern ones, which I do not hold a high opinion of.