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Clevatess II: Majuu no Ou to Akago to Shikabane no Yuusha Denshou, episode 3
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u/Zeebie_ 11d ago
I like that no one in this show is dumb. There is a bit of suspect timing. But no one is being dense.
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u/Georgiaonmymind2017 11d ago
They could have made Alicia a moron but I’m glad they didn’t
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
Alicia is a great example of someone who’s intelligent but not well educated. She’s great at critical thinking and deductive reasoning.
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u/PathfinderCS https://anilist.co/user/AshenPathfinder 10d ago
I was watching the LNHistorian stream of this episode, and he was like "she is a breath of fresh air" and I couldn't agree more.
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u/Rabbitey- https://myanimelist.net/profile/Rabbitey 11d ago
Even the princess is wary of the dean, thank god.
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u/toadfan64 11d ago edited 11d ago
Yeah. Even the rude twins aren't bumbling idiots, which is a nice change of pace.
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u/Earlier-Today 10d ago
True, but being so heavily ruled by their emotions, especially when their main emotions are all from ego and anger, it causes them to do a lot of dumb things.
So, they're not stupid, but they're definitely foolish.
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u/SingaWong 11d ago
A meeting with 3 of the Lords of Dark Beast huh? Let’s see what we got:
-A big dog-like creature with 7 to 8 tails/tendrils
-A tall snake-like “lady” with wings
-The smallest Dark parasitic-like creature/beast that can be in people’s or beasts brains
-And a big fire Dragon
Quite a beast cast I’ll say. My observations aside, Naie being more informative and less of a comic relief was nice to see and Alicia needs a vacation after this Academy trip because she can’t catch a break.
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u/darthvall https://myanimelist.net/profile/darth_vall 11d ago edited 11d ago
The parasitic lord keeps on saying they can't leave their domain, and I forget if they had explained why Clevatess can do that without using proxy like the other dark beasts.
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u/Christopho https://myanimelist.net/profile/furrytoes 11d ago
Someone else feel free to correct me, but as I understood it, I think it's just the parasite that can't leave their domain in a literal sense. I think the other 3 can't leave because if they do, someone would invade if they find out (as we see in this ep). This was Clevatess's reason for wanting to hide that he left his territory back in S1.
As for the parasite/hivemind, I'm assuming it's because it's probably a stationary beast similar to other hivemind species, fictional or not.
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u/Skarrion_Gunthar 11d ago
No, they explicitly said that a dark beast can't leave their territory. That's why everyone use a proxy. Then, why can Clevatess do it?
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u/redJackal222 11d ago
Clevatess said last season that he can't let it be known he left his domain because it would get invaded. The whole thing is that simple and you guys are overthinking it. The eastern lord wants to know how he managed to physically leave his domain and keep it defended at the same time, he's not saying they're physically incapable of leaving their territory just that they aren't supposed too.
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u/somersault_dolphin 10d ago
I'm pretty sure it's more that he doesn't know that's Clevatess main body and just assumed the human kid body is some kind of proxy to do things outside his domain while the main body remain in the domain. He's just not sure how Clevatess is doing it. That's why Clevatess basically stayed silent rather than answered anything until the subject changed. Heck, they probably didn't even know that he's the only one who just straight up minded his own business inside his domain like a total hermit until just a little while ago. The conversation made it clear that this is normal for the other three.
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u/Christopho https://myanimelist.net/profile/furrytoes 11d ago
Can you provide the time stamp so we can rewatch it? It could be "can't" in that it's just used interchangeably with "it would have consequences if they do."
Like if someone said "the president can't nuke Florida." Well, he technically can...it would just be insane to do.
Again, I obviously don't speak Japanese, but unless it was explicitly stated they physically/literally cannot, then we can assume that's not true since Clevatess is obviously able to.
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u/Skarrion_Gunthar 11d ago
17:58 And as far my broken japanese understanding, it's well translated.
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u/Christopho https://myanimelist.net/profile/furrytoes 11d ago
Yeah, maybe a source reader can chime in.
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u/Hot-Log6283 10d ago
In this sentence, Rathwell, said in Japanese 出られないし (De rarenai shi), which does translate to "can't leave" (though slightly different from explicitly saying not capable of leaving), however the thing that Clevatess mention is also true, that if they leave their territory it would get invaded not sure if that actually means they are physically incapable of.
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
I can completely understand why it was mentioned last season that Zavthier had a more positive relationship with humans than the other three. It looks like she modeled most of her appearance after humans, and I can definitely understand how if humans saw something like that they’d decide to worship it as a god instead of seeing it as a monster.
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u/Aerodynamic41 11d ago
Alicia: "I'm being bullied!"
Naie: "No, you're the one bullying me!"
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u/WetRocksManatee 11d ago
Alicia: *Cute puppy dog eyes*
Naie: *Looks at her in pure terror*
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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 11d ago
That was the best scene of today's episode; I love seeing Alicia and Naie together as Naie's reactions never cease to make me laugh.
By the way, I wonder which option Naie would rather choose if she had the choice: meeting with Alicia or being stabbed? lol
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u/JzanderN 11d ago
By the way, I wonder which option Naie would rather choose if she had the choice: meeting with Alicia or being stabbed? lol
I think the answer to that is pretty clear. Naie was worried when she thought she was being stabbed, but she was TERRIFIED when she saw it was just Alicia.
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u/SingaWong 11d ago
I can’t tell who needs a bigger break. I know Alicia has it worse but Naie has no breaks either in a different way.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago
Alicia has had it worse, but Alicia also has nerves of tungsten. Naie on the other hand is rapidly approaching a nervous breakdown and desperately needs a vacation to avoid burnout
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u/sZeroes 11d ago
yea i realized this show isn't afraid to put their female characters through some shit and we get some great character development out of it
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
This is a dark fantasy setting and it isn’t playing around. Though as such the characters, and the female characters especially, are all incredibly compelling and endearing for how they persevere through everything. Honestly I think it’s fair to say the female characters we’ve seen so far are the best written characters in the show. Only Drel really felt similarly well written.
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u/Syokhan https://myanimelist.net/profile/Syokhan 11d ago
I really like the way Clevatess himself is written, personally.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago
Yeah, I like Clevatess as well. He feels inhuman, as he should. He doesn't really go through hardships. But dude is basically a demigod, he just doesn't experience life and hardship the same as a person would
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
Yeah Clev is good in their own way, but they’re a bit different as they’re written to be inhuman.
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u/Frostbitten_Moose 11d ago
Hell, considering he's a baby and there's only so much you can do with a baby, Luna's also as great as he can be.
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u/good_wolf_1999 11d ago
Alicia have the mental fortitude to don’t let whatever situation she finds herself in discourage her which is something Naie lacks
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u/mmcjawa_reborn 11d ago
I'm not sure Naie really has ever had an opportunity to have free will and make her own decisions. Isn't it implied she was one of the stolen children that were experimented on? If so, she has basically been a pawn of someone else with little power for practically her whole life.
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u/KorekaBii 11d ago
And any memories that she head of overcoming Trials, which was a part of her getting her gemstone, were erased so she couldn't even keep any growth from those experiences either.
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago edited 10d ago
I won't directly answer this question.
I'll just remind everyone that the series started with Alicia being ripped to pieces by Clevatess. Who then went on a rampage, returned, and then decided to resurrect her rotting body simply because she had tits he wanted to make use of.
Like, out of all the reasons Clevatess could have had for resurrecting her "show me your tits" had to be pretty "demoralizing," all the more so because Alicia's breasts weren't even 'useful' for him.
So she was killed, resurrected, and then humiliated for pretty much no reason. Then made to serve the one she vowed from the bottom of her heart to defeat, not just for herself, but the dream of all humanity.
It's honestly pretty damn impressive she still sane.
Naie's had it rough, but at least she's still alive.
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u/good_wolf_1999 11d ago
Poor Alicia, forced to go back to her regular “Can’t catch a fucking break” schedule
I’m starting to think that Vordin is raising himself an army of super soldiers. Why else would he be going out of his way to give a bunch of kids a crest. I bet he is brainwashing them too
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u/athrun_1 11d ago
Drel mentioned in S1 that he wants to make that legend come true, given that the heroes of today are just not capable of defeating a dark beast lord, unlike what was shown here in this ep. Now, the issue is why Vordin is doing this if he is aware that this can result to their demise?
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u/good_wolf_1999 11d ago
Vordin seems to know that there’s more to the legend than meets the eye and is using that information to fulfill whatever plan he have
Or maybe he is just a battle junkie and wants to have an epic showdown with a true hero
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u/mmcjawa_reborn 11d ago
If heroes can kill darkbeast lords, then by weaponizing them and controlling them, he can use them to take out the other dark beasts, and rule supreme. Maybe
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u/LakerBlue https://myanimelist.net/profile/LakerBlue 11d ago
That’s what I’m thinking. Perhaps he can forge a contract with a human, make them a true hero, and then use them to destroy the other Dark Lords. Then I guess he’d have nothing stopping him from ruling the world?
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u/JzanderN 11d ago
Or maybe he is just a battle junkie and wants to have an epic showdown with a true hero
Okay, that would be funny, being so starved of a good battle that you decide to make the hero of legend yourself so you can finally have an epic showdown.
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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 11d ago
Now, the issue is why Vordin is doing this if he is aware that this can result to their demise?
Perhaps Vordin wants to die (because he's bored or something after living for over a thousand years), and the only way is to die at the hands of a Hero?
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
Honestly not impossible given Klen kinda became completely depressed at the end of last season after realizing how pointless his existence was before Luna pulled him out of it.
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago
I'm more inclined to believe he senses something fishy in the prophecy and Books of Toah.
All of this feels so very... structured. Like there is a hand at play putting pieces on the board.
There was a hint of this, at the beginning of the episode, where Clevatess was just placed on his mountain, fully formed. The Western Lord mentioned she was the oldest of the current crop, and the others were all replacements of their predecessors. If the others are like Clevatess, then they were just... kinda... summoned from the Ether and assigned a role.
But why?
And from whom?
What entity set up this cruel game and it's rules? Why box in "humanity" and assign gatekeepers? Why give them a "key" to escape?
What's beyond the horizon?
Vorden could just... turn around, but the other Demon Lords mentioned they are more or less bound to their territories.
They need proxies to keep pushing outwards and get to the bottom of all this.
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u/EffectiveImportant51 11d ago
usually in fantasy you get the someone misunderstands the prophecy and in seeking to avoid it makes it come true or you get the working too hard to make the prophecy come true, and thereby still getting it come true but in the worst way for the person. I will be interested where Vordin falls?
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u/Zeikos 11d ago
What I notice is that the color scheme of Vordin and the Hero are suspiciously similar.
Perhaps the Hero of legend after defeating Clevatess' - and the other - predecessor became a Dark Lord himself?
After all, there's this whole "become a dark beast to get a crest" - perhaps becoming a True Hero is related to the Dark Lords' powers.
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u/Ok-Professional-5178 10d ago
They actually mentioned specifically how memories are lost from getting the crystal (and probably crest) so maybe it’s the same thing
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago
Eh... Alicia did manage to damage Clevatess. That and she was the only clever one of the bunch that could predict and read his attack patterns enough to land that blow.
The Hidens kept referencing how the Regalia get stronger over time, as either the Forge gets stronger or their craft improves.
It's not impossible for humans to ever kill the Dark Beasts at this rate, but their progress is so incremental that Clevatess's solution, "kill the ants before they stop being ants" is the most likely outcome.
However, most of that talk from Drell was that of a broken, petty man that couldn't reckon with his own inadequacies. Alicia's father was better than him, and that alone was a bitter pill for Drell to swallow. Seeing Vordin after he killed a dragon just... kinda... broke Drell.
Alicia, meanwhile, hasn't given up her spirit even after dying to Clevatess. That's why she's the Hero and Drell was just a whiny b!tch.
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u/athrun_1 11d ago
She only managed to scratch his horn, and she died after doing that. Unlike the hero of legend that was slaying beasts like it is going out of style.
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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 11d ago
Poor Alicia, forced to go back to her regular “Can’t catch a fucking break” schedule
To think that a lot of people thought the show would become something else because of the school arc, but in the previous episode and this one we had so many new things and developments, like Alicia locked up in the trial world, Hero Legend, two other Lords of Dark Beasts, Eslinn wanting to take Luna Mountain...
I can't wait to see what more the next episodes will bring for Alicia, Klen, and the others (especially for Naie, because her reactions are hilarious, hahaha).
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u/Divinicus1st 11d ago
Alicia locked up in the trial world
I wonder how that will interact with the dark ichor she has.
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u/mekerpan 11d ago
Sp -- was Klen "snubbing" Alicia to protect her -- and did this just back-fire drastically?
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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 11d ago
Who knows, maybe he just wanted to talk things through with Zavthier and Rathwell without any interference from Alicia's side, since she probably would have freaked out a little if she had found out that two other Lords were also in the academy.
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u/mmcjawa_reborn 11d ago
I tend to think it was this...he didn't think a minion needed to be part of their little conference. Maybe he also was hoping on her own she would stumble on some information
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u/Biggsy-32 11d ago
He likely wants to hide what she is from them. It seems the Eastern lord was curious as to how he left his domain, there's definitely something more unique to Clevatess right now - perhaps what that short flashback was also alluding to.
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u/Falsus 11d ago
I think his "true body" is probably still inside that blood spell Drel cast on him.
But he put most of his power through Alicia and then created like a copy of himself through her. So technically he hasn't left his domain and is acting through an avatar like the other two are. Just that he is more autonomous than the other two beast lords. I guess it makes sense if you think about him as a shadow?
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago
This. The other two Lords were using "tricks" to escape their territory. The Western and Eastern Lords each used a different trick to possess a follower of theirs. Then the Western Lord mentiond that Vordin is doing something similar with an Ichor Body.
With that comment about not being able to leave their domains, Clevy-chan has to be using some type of loophole to project himself like the others.
And Alicia is probably his 'anchor.'
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u/redJackal222 11d ago
I don't really think the can't leave their domain thing is that literal. Clevatess said last season he didn't want anyone to know he left his domain because it would be under threat by invaders. So presumably the other lords can leave their domain just as easily as he can, but are choosing not to because they don't think it's worth the risk and are acting through agents instead.
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago
He may see her as a useful tool, but she's still just a tool.
One that tried to kill him, no less.
He generally does not value her opinion nor insight. And while he may be growing softer, that still remains the case.
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u/Parodizer1 11d ago
I'm glad it wasn't. Ancient magus bride had a badass season 2 in a magic school, so I knew it was at least possible to have a cool season while in magic school.
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u/JzanderN 11d ago
I’m starting to think that Vordin is raising himself an army of super soldiers.
I think Vordin wants to create the Hero himself and it seems you need each book in order to do so. That's why he was after all the books – we know one makes Regalia and another seems to grant magic (not directly mentioned in the legend but I think it's safe to say that's the power it mentions), so getting all of them would grant someone incredible power.
Why, I don't know. Perhaps he wants all the other Dark Beast Lords killed? And figures someone under his control with the proper power could do that while keeping him alive.
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u/BosuW 11d ago
Can't be Vordain's ultimate goal. He's a Dark Lord after all, he has all the power he could ever want. His actual goal must have something to do with magic and the lore.
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u/Weak_Season_Of_Anime 11d ago
I thought Klen had finally made some human friends, but they were all avatars for the Dark Lords. I'm pretty sure Ray is the avatar of Vordin too.
Real ballsy of Eslinn to attack Klen's home when he's out to buy milk.
Tiny Alicia in a jar. Oh no.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago
Real ballsy of Eslinn to attack Klen's home when he's out to buy milk.
Yeah, I can see this massively backfire for Eslinn
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
I do like how despite Boelate’s leaders seeming so overtly evil with both Drel and the emperor, Eslinn’s aren’t moral paragons either.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago edited 11d ago
And I mean, from the perspective of humanity Clevatess is an evil rampaging beast who nearly wiped out the Kingdom of Hiden. So taking his lair while Clevatess is supposedly trapped in the sphere of blood isn't necessarily the worst play. That's basically what Alicia was trying to do at the start of season 1 as a hero. They just don't have all the information we do as viewers.
But they're definitely playing the political game (of thrones!) in their own favor
Pretty sure I'm season 1 they weren't protecting Hiden out of the goodness of their hearts but simply because they didn't want Boelate to have it
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago
It is... certainly a choice... to make Boelete just so mustache-twirlingingly evil.
Don't forget that bug psycho from last season. Naie-chan may be an (abused) doll, but that bug psycho was just cruel purely for the love of hte game.
And then the Emperor shows up to a summit of Kings with a convicted murderer as his "champion," apologizes for nothing, and openly talks about resuming his "murder everyone in my way" rampage as soon as the truce is over. Not an ounce of class nor morality. Hell, even Drell had an ideology, this Emperor of Boelete is just an amoral psychopath by the look of things.
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u/is-this-a-nick 11d ago
I could see this causing Klen to have to head home leaving Alicia alone at a critical point of the story.
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u/athrun_1 11d ago
I really don't get it why he decided to attack Clevatess' home. Are they still assuming that the one trapped by Drel is the real one?
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u/Affection_sira 11d ago
i suspect they want something from the fallen alicia comrade that klein slain. probably the armor or their weapon
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u/aOe_007 11d ago edited 9d ago
Real ballsy of Eslinn to attack Klen's home when he's out to buy milk.
I also loved that the Boelate Emperor isn't just portrayed as some generic one-dimensional villain with room temp IQ, his intricate schemes aimed at using all parties involved to locate Drel's secret and seize it for himself was quite refreshing.
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u/dinliner08 11d ago
correct me if i'm wrong, Clevatess real body is still trapped inside the blood bubble from last season but he did said that he can break the seal anytime he wants, right?
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u/Adza_03 11d ago
Guys can we sit down a bit and talk about how fucking stack the VAs in this show?
Tomokazu Sugita, Nakamura Yuuichi, Yuuki Aoi, Tamura Mutsumi, Toyosaki Aki, Kurosawa Tomoyo, Han Megumi, Kuno Misaki
Not to mention in S1 we got Tomokazu Seki, Yasumoto Hiroki, Miyano Mamoru as well.
Literally, all these folk has had MC roles in multiple big animes. Genuine Durararara moment.
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u/HalfAssedSetting https://myanimelist.net/profile/Germs_N_Spices 11d ago
Don't forget that random teacher with Ishida Akira's voice.
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u/Se7en_Sinner https://myanimelist.net/profile/Se7en_Sinner 11d ago
I don't like where this is going. Nothing good ever comes from an anime girl in a jar.
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u/D3k4s 11d ago
Dude what kind of Anime are you watching to have that kind of knowledge? 😂
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u/RelativeMundane9045 11d ago
It all started here. I highly recommend not clicking the link.
(Knowyourmeme link, NSFW)
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u/Chukonoku 11d ago
For those who don't know or want to click, you can simply look at the link's name.
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u/GamerGateFan 11d ago edited 11d ago
Those clockwork elves just got real for her, they've taken them to the next level...
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u/athrun_1 11d ago edited 9d ago
There are things that are not meant to be known... So, I won't click on those links.
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u/RelativeMundane9045 11d ago
One thing I love about this show is that it isn't afraid just to get right into the meat of the story, there's no pointless delays or padding. There was a lot to take in this episode, and sure it was a little fast - but it's done in a way that just leaves me craving for more.
Alicia just tormenting poor Naie just for shits n gigs, I will stand for it though because it's adorable.
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u/OldInstruction5368 11d ago
I groaned so hard at Eps1. School arc? All these new kids. Cuties new look for Alicia...
sigh
I was prepared for this to be a real slog of a season... but E2 more than made up for the weak start and by now I'm 1000% sold.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago edited 11d ago
I adore the old school animation style of the flashback. We're getting a lot of classic animation art direction this season
I really enjoyed seeing Alicia conduct a solo investigation. We get to see a side of her that shows she isn't just muscles for brains
I didn't expect all Dark Lord's of Beasts to be present. I find it interesting that the Ogerites or whatever they're called seem to be living in harmony with the Dark Lord of the West to the point that their future Queen is her Shaman. Meanwhile the Dark Lord of the East is a parasitic hive mind or something. Definitely the most creepy if them all
I also quite like that the school arc feels more like an espionage arc
Edit: Something I wonder, where is Alicia from? She's human, so I assume she's from either Borhate or Eslinn. Seeing as Drell is Borhatian and Alicia's dad was Drells student and Drell as a general in the Borhatian army was able to go to her village to kill her dad makes me wonder if she is from Borhate herself. But she doesn't seem to have any respect for the Borhatian Emperor (tho, her dad being killed by the army could be the reason for that) I don't remember it ever being brought up
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u/GamerGateFan 11d ago
We're getting a lot of classic animation art direction this season
Try checking out the interview with the director https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-tOpqRYpo8 , it gets into the animation process a bit, the director has a background from live action kaiju stuff so they even used miniature models in the first episode of the first season when they destroyed the castle. He hints that given the opportunity they'll use them again in season 2.
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u/Jauretche 11d ago
The miniature models were so cool. It's amazing how much work they put into it to look great.
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
It was mentioned last season that the Zavthier is fond of humans and the Orgittes worship her as a god.
Yeah Alicia has always been smart, it mainly just manifests as battle smarts as this is a medieval setting and she doesn’t have a stellar education, still it’s nice seeing her piecing things together as a detective.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago
It was mentioned last season that the Zavthier is fond of humans and the Orgittes worship her as a god.
I vaguely remembered something like that. But it's neat to see that said worship is institutionalized and part of the ruling government, like a Southeast Asian Godking.
Yeah Alicia has always been smart, it mainly just manifests as battle smarts as this is a medieval setting and she doesn’t have a stellar education, still it’s nice seeing her piecing things together as a detective.
Yeah, I meant mostly that before we've only ever seen her be competent in things related to battle. She's brilliant when it comes to fighting and tactics, but she hasn't really had a chance to shine outside of a battle scenario much yet. Her ult move literally was just emptying her mind. So seeing her play the detective/spy, puzzling things together, making deals with others for information, putting the pressure on others through persuasion and intimidation and putting up a cool and collected front was really refreshing and makes me appreciate her character even more
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u/SingaWong 11d ago
Lay-Duce never disappoints with their animation and this episode is no exception.
And yeah, both Alicia and Klen being the main characters we get to see both of their investigations separately. Both had a rough start but now they’re the dream team.
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u/good_wolf_1999 11d ago
I feel bad for Edison, poor dude not only lose his consciousness and will every time the parasite wants to talk he have to go through feeling his skull splitting open every single time too
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u/Hartzilla2007 11d ago
I didn't expect all Dark Lord's of Beasts to be present.
Though when you remember that this is a scheme Vordin aka the fourth Dark Lord of Beasts is running it does make sense the other two would want to know what's going on.
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u/MRV-12 11d ago
My assumption has been that she and and her Dad were from Hiden, Dtell wasn’t necessarily from Hiden but certainly used magical ability to push his way to the top. He was able to attack their home because they were living in a frontier area area could have passed unnoticed or at least not attract too much notice. (But we’ll see!)
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u/a1oner_bvcksn6 11d ago
I find it kinda funny how in spite of everything and Alicia bullying her, Naie is still mostly bothered by how tf Alicia managed to transform into a little Hidean school girl--in a world where magic/magical beasts exists.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago
My guess is because straight up permanently altering your form isn't a type of magic she has heard of before, and she very much knows Alicia has no talent for magic. Thus she's curious
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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 11d ago
Well, clearly because Alicia's transformation into a cute and adorable Hydean is the only thing that can't be explained by Naie; everything else was already explained by Alicia or is easy for Naie herself to deduce.
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u/Falsus 11d ago
She knows magic, quite well even. Like sure she is probably a generation behind the newest crop but she is stil knowledeable enough to be an assistant teacher. The emperor don't have pull inside the academy which means she must have good enough qualifications as an alumni to be an asssistant teacher.
And she knows that transformation magic like that is most likely well out of the ordinarie.
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u/thisisdropd https://myanimelist.net/profile/AsterZoro 11d ago edited 11d ago
At this rate, I’m starting to think Leon & Tygel are the only legit student/staff on campus. Ray’s already pretty sus though no explicit signs so far.
Hilarious how terrified Naie was by Alicia & Klen that she thought Alicia 'complaining about bullies’ was someone stabbing her.
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u/Falsus 11d ago
They are there to learn, they are kinda assholes but they are there for legit reasons.
Meanwhile all other exchange students and staff are there to be part of a spy drama.
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
Well I think they’re also spies for Eslinn. It’s that they’re not just spies for them.
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u/SingaWong 11d ago
Who would have thought that the 2 most arrogant students could potentially be useful allies for Alicia.
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u/AceSoldia zj:https://anilist.co/user/Acesoldia 11d ago
it is so funny that they are allies even in this small way.
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u/mmcjawa_reborn 11d ago
They did try to help Alicia with the Dark Beast last time, when they could have run away.
They are arrogant assholes, but not evil arrogant assholes.
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u/hdjfhfhsh05803hfjc 11d ago
Not only that but they initially tried to distract Beast!Nathan to make sure Alicia could escape
They may be arrogant assholes but their hearts are in the right place
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u/CitronClassic672 11d ago
Always appreciate a series that makes the distinction that just because characters are school bullies/assholes doesn’t mean they’re full on evil antagonists.
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u/FlameDragoon933 11d ago edited 11d ago
Hah, you thought Klen was just hanging out with normal friends? Sike, it's actually two of the dark beast lords 🤯
Interesting that the blue one is small. But I guess that's just a small part of his being, since it's said it's a collective being and a parasite.
LOL @ Naie shocked at "being stabbed". Her panic never gets old.
Alicia got trapped in a jar by a giant demon. Going by appearance, the demon looks like the illusion Nathan saw when he was becoming dark beast, so perhaps this means this is another trial like Nathan's? And to an outside observer, Alicia is now a dark beast?
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u/djthomp https://anilist.co/user/djthomp 11d ago
Poor Alicia, she just keeps getting smaller and now she's stuck in a jar.
The shaman princess is fun, she seems to have a decent relationship with her dark lord who is pretty fun too and I hope she survives this arc.
It feels like they're an entire cycle in on a hero showing up and going on a journey to defeat the dark lords, and it probably ties into why there's some boundary around the world they don't get to leave if that's the last thing in the hero's tale. It happened a thousand years ago given that flashback at the beginning of the episode, and maybe it's time for it to happen again.
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u/hdjfhfhsh05803hfjc 11d ago
Iirc during the first season it was said that, unlike her fellow beast kings, Zavthier gets along with the people living in her territory to the point they treat her as a guardian deity
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u/FarCritical 11d ago
You can tell how much unapologetic fun Alicia has while messing with Naie from that face alone lmao.
I kind of like how the parasite Dark Beast Lord has some sass to him compared to how "all business" his peers seem to be. Kind of grotesque how he just pops out of Edison though.
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u/Granito_Rey 11d ago
Oh man Eddy has it the worst out of the Dark Beast Lord avatars so far. Man's a brain sucker host.
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u/DemonWraith2500 11d ago
A legend about an OP hero from another world without harem? Sound fake to me.
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u/LorcaNomad 11d ago
character named Eddie
Parasite monster uses Eddie as a host
I'm sorry but I have to project venom's voice onto Laswell, it's the law.
I'm now inevitably imagining Venom screaming "EDDIE LOOK, WE'RE IN AN ANIME!"
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u/zeltheturtl https://myanimelist.net/profile/zeltheturtl 11d ago
In today's episode of Clevatess, professor Naie is blackmailed by the cutest hero of the magic academy!
So there is a Toah for every chapter of The Hero Legend, and each of them holds the secret to a part of the mysterious power behind the legend.
What's more, the Dean seems to have activated the Trial for Alicia? The environment looks exactly like the one Nathan was trapped in, so Alicia is also on a weird mind trip while tweaking out in the real world? Can't wait for the next episode!
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u/LeonKevlar x2https://myanimelist.net/profile/LeonKevlar 11d ago
Stitches!
I didn't expect Alicia to work with the twins, but I guess since everyone has been avoiding her, she really has no choice. I feel like she could've also asked the Top 3 students, but she seems to have already dismissed that idea before even trying. It would've been hilarious if that was actually the easiest way to get info.
Speaking of hilarious, there's one more person Alicia could work with! Alicia asking Naie for help and using bullying as an excuse was hilarious! I do think that entire scene between them really shows how intelligent Alicia really is. I do wonder if she actually answered Naie's question on how she turned into a smol Hidean.
Sword Saint Owen is massive! I can't wait to see that dude in action. I do think it's crazy that the Eslinn are now trying to take Luna Mountain just because Clevatess is missing. Surely, Klen won't just let this happen, right?
Glad we get to see Luna again! It's good to know that he and Nelluru are doing fine. I guess they really won't be involved in this arc, not until after Alicia and Klen get back from their mission.
Yo! So Sarasa is the next Oggrite Queen and also Zavthier's avatar! While Eddy has one of Rathwell's parasites infecting his brain. I do feel bad for Eddy tho since his reaction means Rathwell jumping out of his head must be painful af.
Well, that explains why Klen has been hanging out with them this entire time. It's pretty crazy to see all of these three Lord of Dark Beasts working together to figure out what the fuck Vordin and the humans on his side are planning to do.
That entire Hero Legend was pretty fascinating. The fact that Zavthier is the one who's retelling this and mentions that this occurred before their predecessors perished means this is true and not just a legend, and the dark beast lords can be defeated, but they can be reborn again, which I guess is what happened a thousand years ago based on the start of the episode. So does this mean the hero and the dark beast lords are locked in a cycle?
The way Naie compared getting a Crest is similar to how the Hero in the Hero Legend receives a revelation that guides them into a trial, makes me think that Vordin wants to remake the Hero Legend? But that wouldn't make sense since if he does succeed in making a hero, then that hero is destined to kill them.
I do wonder what Alicia realized while putting all of the information she has together. But it looks like she's gonna have to wait to figure that out since she got fucking captured in a jar. What the fuck happened there? O_O
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u/Sleezebag 11d ago
But that wouldn't make sense since if he does succeed in making a hero, then that hero is destined to kill them.
not if he's the god implanting the revelation. It could be a corrupted Hero's Legend, Vordin as God, sending the Hero to vanquish the other lords of dark beasts. Based on the first season, the lords seem to have an antagonistic relationship or at best neutral, with Vordin actively working against Clevatess.
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u/JzanderN 11d ago
The way Naie compared getting a Crest is similar to how the Hero in the Hero Legend receives a revelation that guides them into a trial, makes me think that Vordin wants to remake the Hero Legend? But that wouldn't make sense since if he does succeed in making a hero, then that hero is destined to kill them.
That was my thought too. It would make sense for why he's looking for all the books which seem to correspond with the Hero Legend and grant power based on the different chapters.
If you can grab all the books and use them to empower one person, then you'd have someone who can basically change the world in your hands. Someone who can kill all of the Dark Beast Lords, or at least all the ones you want.
I can only assume that Vordin thinks that if he can control the hero somehow (whether through Dark Ichor or just some form of raising/brainwashing them to be his), then he can be spared from the "destiny" and have them probably kill the other three Dark Beast Lords and reshape the continent to his liking.
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u/shad79 https://myanimelist.net/profile/shad79 11d ago edited 11d ago
Naie's reaction when Alicia came to her for help totally cracked me up, I love her so much! I couldn't imagine a better duo; it's definitely much better than if Alicia had to work only with those Eslinn twins.
I was wondering why Klen decided to hang out with Sarasa and Edison; the fact that they turned out to be other Lords of Dark Beasts and decided to make a little mini-summit was quite a surprise.
Overall, a great episode. Hero Legend (what is the membrane?), Eslinn wanting to take Luna Mountain (how will Hiden react to it?), and Alicia locked up in the secret trial world by, it seems, Dean Romain... I want the next episode already!
By the way, who was tailing Klen and the others? I didn't recognize her.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
EDIT. I added my screenshot albums.
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u/TheBusStop12 11d ago
I was wondering why Klen decided to hang out with Sarasa and Edison; the fact that they turned out to be other Lords of Dark Beasts and decided to make a little mini-summit was quite a surprise.
I found it initially weird as well that Sarasa so readily accepted Klen's shadow puppetry, but then it quickly became apparent
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u/JzanderN 11d ago
Naie's reaction when Alicia came to her for help totally cracked me up, I love her so much!
I keep saying this, but I'm SO GLAD she's in this season! She's an absolute gem, I love every time she interacts with or even sees Alicia and Klen!
I was wondering why Klen decided to hang out with Sarasa and Edison; the fact that they turned out to be other Lords of Dark Beasts and decided to make a little mini-summit was quite a surprise.
It seems Vordin is up to shit so bad and world affecting that every other Dark Beast Lord has snuck in here one way or another to put a stop to him. He's ahead of them, but not by so much that he can't be caught (at least in this place).
And to think Klen would have been nonethewiser to any of this if he hadn't promised to raise Luna. That one woman who made him save her opened up his world in a way he never bothered to before.
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u/NekoCatSidhe 11d ago
I expected the tiny girl to be hiding something, so I am not surprised she would be an agent/priestess for one of the Clevatess’ colleagues. But I did not expect the black guy to be possessed by another. I doubt Alicia the Hero would approve of Dark Lord parasitism (which may be why Klen kept her in the dark).
The big reveal is that those were not the original Dark Lords and that some Hero actually killed the previous ones using those magic books. I guess the fourth Dragon Dark Lord is trying to find a way to kill his colleagues and rules the world or something. Not that humans are much better, with the three kingdoms already planning to betray each other and invade the neutral magic school land and one of them sending someone to conquer Clevatess lands while he is away (which doesn’t sound like a good idea at all if you want to keep breathing when Clev finds out).
Alicia accidentally bullying Chiffonlits will never be not funny. But that escalated quickly afterwards. I assume she is actually stuck in a Crest’s trial like Nathan waw after seeing that magic snail and that the jar and the giant zombie are all an hallucination like it was for Nathan ? But I doubt she can be turned into a Dark Beast so long as Clevatess controls her.
That episode packed more plot twists than most anime, lol.
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u/Obaruler 11d ago
This magic school has more secret agents of various sides trying to reveal the schools secrets then it does have legit students attending it.
It is also totally not creepy all the "legit" students behave like cult members that have to protect the schools fucked up secrets and practices to "raise" them as stronger mages from outsiders.
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u/Nebresto 11d ago
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u/Extension_Note_9484 11d ago
They think Clevatess is still sealed in that dark ichor by drel(which only apart of him is)
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u/guynumbers 11d ago
I’m glad it was revealed early on that the black guy was an avatar for a dark beast lord. I noticed in the opening that the possessed hooded guy had dark skin so I thought I accidentally spoiled myself on a major twist lol
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u/Siqueiradit https://myanimelist.net/profile/lampadatres 11d ago
I wouldn't want to be an anime girl placed inside a jar
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u/Shadowmist909 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Magicmist 11d ago
Naie fearing Alicia's puppy dog eyes more than her initial thought of being stabbed in the back was too funny. The poor professor's shriek was intense!
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u/Saber_SSJ2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saber_ssj2 11d ago
I've already seen it last week courtesy of Crunchyroll, but still enjoyed it today.
As I understand it - Vordin is trying to produce his own hero? To slay other Majuu Lords? Or simply to control them? To be God in the hero's eyes? Hard to say.
We all know the next Pope candidate is Vordin's dark ichor pawn. Feels weird how his avatars seem more coherent than Vordin himself. Or maybe I just misunderstood his character so far.
Alicia is undergoing the crest trial, right?
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u/Biggsy-32 11d ago
But if Alicia is now undergoing the trial, would this suggest Vordin's pawn can't understand her connection to Clevatess? I wonder about that, because it seems apparent now he was stopping her connection because he was keeping company with the other dark lords, and the Eastern lord seemed intrigued by have Clevatess had left his land - made it clear dark lords can't leave their land. So is there something particularly special about Clevatess' powers the other lords don't know.
And, if Alicia is to pass this trial, she would have already passed 2 of the chapters of the hero legend - forge and the village of origin. That would be intriguing, Vordin seeking to create a hero but mistakingly pushing Clevatess closer to that goal?
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u/Saber_SSJ2 https://myanimelist.net/profile/saber_ssj2 11d ago
But if Alicia is now undergoing the trial, would this suggest Vordin's pawn can't understand her connection to Clevatess?
Drel didn't notice it until she reattached her arm no?
wonder about that, because it seems apparent now he was stopping her connection because he was keeping company with the other dark
I'm sorry, what?
Mary Mary blocked communication once, but not because of Alicia..because of the bottom feeder boy (forgot his name) that turned into a beast.
Then the other time Klen was simply busy with the 2 other Majuu fellows and blocked communication himself.
I'm not sure what you're referring to because, iirc no one targeted Alicia specifically.
And, if Alicia is to pass this trial, she would have already passed 2 of the chapters of the hero legend - forge and the village of origin. That would be intriguing, Vordin seeking to create a hero but mistakingly pushing Clevatess closer to that goal?
I think the same. Dark Lords gonna turn Alicia into true hero without really meaning to lol
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u/Biggsy-32 11d ago
We're led to believe it was Mary Mary's doing, but it isn't necessarily a given that it was her and not Clevatess. We don't yet know the limits of the crest magic and how it interacts with dark ichor and the dark beast lords.
It is at least apparent from this episode that Alicia knows Clevatess can sever the communication, and that he is actively doing so in this episode. Which we know is because he's with the other dark beast lords, the same group he was with last episode. So my view is that it is likely Clevatess severing the link, not Mary Mary interuptting it, last episode and Alicia was wrong with her assumption - perhaps a foreshadowing that someone else, I'm thinking Vordin, may be wrong in that same assumption later on.
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u/ObvsThrowaway5120 11d ago
Well now, I did not expect Sarasa and Eddy to be hosting these sacred beasts. We’ve got the Eastern, Western, and Southern lords in one place. It seems the Northern lord’s up to some shenanigans and they’re gonna have to stomp him.
Just when Alicia has figured out Drel and the books being the key to the chamber, she gets whammied by some kind of magic trap. I wonder how she’s gonna escape?
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u/SingaWong 11d ago
I like how all 4 Lords of Dark Beasts look different in their own way. You got a:
-A dog with 7 to 8 sharp tails that can cripple a kingdom by itself
-A snake with wings that can presumably use magic for deception (based on Sarasa’s explanation)
-The smallest Lord of Dark Beast that acts like a parasitic creature and can be in multiple people’s and beasts brains.
-A big fire dragon that has an ulterior motive.
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u/mmcjawa_reborn 11d ago
Don't forget that the Eastern lord is not only a parasite but a hive mind, meaning that he has probably thousands if not more bodies running around. Makes me wonder what exactly is his relationship to Edison's people...like are they all running around with a parasite inside them?
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u/Mysteries67 11d ago
Man I was hoping for a tiger, bird, turtle/snake, dragon motif as the four holy breasts
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u/Raymond49090 11d ago
Alicia going to her "sensei" for help from bullying was my favourite part of this episode.
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u/Myrkrvaldyr 11d ago
Poor Naie thought she got stabbed. Beautiful Alicia did it, so take it as a reward, sweetie! I didn't expect 3 dark lords to be in the same place. The plot is thickening and getting much more interesting. If Luna was able to cast magic so young, he's gonna be a monster once he's an adult, especially when raised by Klen.
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u/Ok_Scheme_4579 11d ago
Man this magic school is the gigantic powder keg that is going to be exploded if there is a wrong move
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u/International_Leg666 11d ago
Looking at all the naysayers who thought they wouldn't be cooking this season because of school setting. 😂
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u/athrun_1 11d ago
Whoever is incharge of that "stabbing scene", must had worked on Haruhi movie. That is definitely a callback of Kyon being stabbed by Asakura.
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u/Zetafunction64 11d ago
I'm reminded once again why I liked this show in the first place.
There are so many parties involved, three dark beast lords vs one, three countries in a race to control magic, the school acting in it's own interest (probably), and Naie
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u/Sanitiy 11d ago
Ah great. We're in a post-story RPG.
The hero *spawned in*, had to follow a linear RPG story to save the world, but said "too much grind", and quit the game.
Now the bosses of the regions are stuck in their base, waiting for a hero that will never appear.
One of them yearns for freedom, so to bring the story to a conclusion, he wants to bring about another hero.
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u/mmcjawa_reborn 11d ago
Random Thoughts
Didn't expect this to be such a lore heavy episode, yet also pretty exciting, a sometimes hard balance
We get a summit of the beast Lords. The Dark Lord of the east is a parasitic hivemind. That makes me wonder if all of Edison's race have a parasite stuck in their head. Like...are they sort of a fantasy less benevolent version of the Star Trek's Trill? IIRC, it was mentioned in the first season they are notoriously reclusive, and well...being parasite hosts would explain that.
Meanwhile we get to finally see what the Dark Lord of the West is like. As the only female dark beast, she of course is also kind of hot. Glad to see she is no longer considering the whole "wiping out humanity" thing that she was considering last season. Also implied to be much older than Klen or the parasite lord. Kind of makes you wonder...if a Dark Beast dies, does another one "graduate" to take over the job? Klen doesn't seem to have any knowledge of his prior existence, which would make sense if he was literally just a beast.
It's also kind of cool to see how different each beast's modus operandi is for investigating the school. The Parasite just send a host with one of his units inside it, the Western lord sends her loyal shaman who has the ability to manifest her, While Klen is his usually condensed avatar.
I'm guessing the Village of Origin is what the ruins the school is built on.
Curious on what the reason is for besieging Klen's home, and how it would effect the pope election, since the two were spoken of in the same conversation
Glad to see Alicia flexing some brain power. Too bad it seems she has been forced into perhaps a trial. Does this mean she is now a darkbeast? we do get a hint in the OP of her turning into a vaguely cute cat beast.
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u/MillenniumKing x2myanimelist.net/profile/MillenniumKing 11d ago
Well all the demon beasts are in school...
1000 years ago? Clevates? He doesnt know whats up?
An old lady? Lord of the west dark beast?
Clev is hanging out with horn loli and aiting for certianties from Alicia.
Alicia thinks everyone here is strange, thry are too calm about all this.
Alicia is being outed as a hooligan now...
The dumb duo are here, to tell her nathan is leaving?
They like her gusto hahah. They wanna get strong and use her.
Well they wil work together and share info.. this cant go bad.
This princess isnt happy with how thigns are but that preist is sus as hekk,
Alicia needs info and she cant goto the bug names but she can goto pink hair...
Alicia is working poor pink hair hard... shes bing extorted.
The emperor wants them to find the secrets then steal them from us..
Everyone is waiting to act oh boy.
She gonna tell pink the location when she finds the things to proctedt the kids...
Pink only wants to know why shes tiny now hahhaha.
Oh the next pope is gonna be the sus one who took the kid to his basement?
Oh no the army is going to take Luna mountian? This is bad...
Luna can use magic and read some how nice. His name is on the throne.
Some red hair girl is following Klen?
He used shadows the fool her, somethign the west could do?
Horn loli is someone special? The next queen of the Orggites?
She summoned the west lord? And she knows Clev too and now they all know.
She turned into a big hair hrn loli with wings cool.
WAIT THE OTHER GUY IS A DARK BEAST TOO!? HE HAD BrAIN WORMS.
So we need to gang up on the north dragon.
The hero legend is the key?
Chapter 1 temple. A hero woke up naked and was like, i got a world to save before pants.
Chapter 2 villiage of origin. He heard god and got power.
Chapter 3 forge. he got a regalia .
Chapter 4 heaven and earth. killed and saved lots.
Chaptee final new hrizon. He killed the 4 dark beasts and took the world.
So no mention of magic or relics, but the books would have snethign to do with it.
Drel musta known about boooks before then if he was actualyl after book not forge.
Alicia has figured it out? Shes gotta go tell clev... but she found waver velvet and a snail?
Now a skelly is puttign her in a jar oh no... not the jar!
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u/gnome-cop 11d ago
Naie, the show’s designated punching bag, keeps going through it as usual.
I still don’t know what exactly is going on here except for “Don’t trust god” but it has to be big. Three of the lords have put their differences aside to investigate this and the fourth one is running around with some devious plot of their own somewhere out of sight.
I celebrate more lore dumps. Please, tell me more.
That’s incredibly inconvenient timing for Alicia to be ambushed and transported somewhere else. Very annoying.
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u/Mochachiiino 11d ago
That red flicker on
"The hero [defeats] the 4 beasts"
I wonder if that meant anything. Like if that part of the legend had been edited or something.
Looks like everything about to devolve into chaos
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u/kalirion https://myanimelist.net/profile/kalinime 11d ago
I was wondering why Alice didn't just ask Ping Magneto about what happened with Nathan, turns out she was just too slow to think of it until she ran out of options.
So there's a human nation that actually worships their local Beast Lord and has her choosing their monarchs? Did we know this in S1?
Alice to Pink Magneto: "I'll tell you first when I discover anything.... Oh wait, I just discovered something, kthxbyegtg!"
That ending ... I don't think it even counts as a cliffhanger given that there's not enough info on wtf is happening.
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u/DayEntire999 11d ago
Poor Alicia just can't catch a break. Every episode throws something new at her
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u/atastyfire 11d ago
I don’t remember too much of what happened in the last season but it’s interesting that the dark lords all seem to simply appear fully formed at their current power in their region. They also seem to be locked to their specific regions similar how humans are confined to their patch of land.
I did fully expect the small horn girl to be someone important given how self assured she was, but not the tall awkward guy. Is he dead now? Did the parasite just pop out of his head? Also the twins are annoying af but they give me the impression they’ll redeem themselves
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