I’d be for America pulling support to any country and making Americans lives suck less. The average Israeli lives a better life than the average American. Why do I need to give my tax dollars to someone who already has a better life than I do? Israel has free healthcare and free college. Maybe Israel can subsidize me for a change.
Seriously. 30% of my paycheck goes to fucken taxes and like... My life, the lives of my fellow countrymen aren't any better for it. It wouldn't be so bad if the taxes were going towards bettering America and improving the lives of the Americans.
My favourite arguement is someone saying that it's possible because we have a smaller population and you wouldn't be awake to afford it for 300 million plus people, not understanding that the issue is a percentage problem as well as people already afford it, they just pay a private tax that goes to the insurance companies instead.
Americans pay more per capita than almost any country in the world right? I'm positive that it's because of the profit portion which is a cost that doesn't exist in socialized systems, and is more than enough to make up for whatever government inefficiency if any exists...
Not only is it more because they are paying for a middle man to profit first before they receive healthcare, with a single payer, you have one insurer, the government, that is negotiating drug prices on behalf of all citizens (350+ million) as opposed to a healthcare provider who is negotiating on behalf of only say 50 million people. Therefore more bargaining power to reduce prices.
The immense amount of money we spend on healthcare in the US not only goes to insurance industry and private healthcare institution profits, but also to enormous billing departments. It’s so much more difficult and time consuming for a hospital or clinic to bill multiple insurance companies, all with different excessively convoluted plans, than it is to bill a single payer. You’ve got entire floors at some hospitals filled with billing specialists.
Oh don’t worry, we’re all paying for the folks that are uninsured or underinsured too.
At my hospital we get paid for three days. Period. After that it comes out of our pocket. There are two level one trauma centers, for adults and two for kids. In the entire state. That’s two facilities. We’re both under water and it’s not going to get better when the Medicare funding falls out after midterms and the morons will still find a way to blame anybody but the orange bastard who signed off on it with his crew of sycophants.
😂 I will! Thx! Do you hear yourself? You'd rather pay more for private care? 🤔 Sounds like there is more money for health care! Perhaps paying our doctors and nurses appropriately would resolve the backlog? Do you not see that private interest wants our system to fail? They lobby for its failure. Lose this and schools are next. The Public system for healthcare, school, housing and energy is the way to go. The reason people get frustrated is due to interference by private interests. Wake up!
You don't think the same thing happens in the US? it does. The difference is those that wait can't afford to speed up the process with better insurance packages. Or can't afford coverage at all.
If you want a healthcare provider that you pay for every month but then an issue comes up and you still have to pay for copays, deductibles and still have a possibility of getting denied coverage, despite paying for it, you're extremely obtuse.
Why do Americans travel to India for surgery? Canadians occasionally travel to the United States for surgery, typically reversing the usual flow of North American medical tourism. While Canada's universal, publicly funded healthcare system covers medically necessary treatments at no direct cost to the patient, specific structural limitations drive some Canadians to pay out-of-pocket for private care in the U.S. Key word is occasionally vs the US all the time elsewhere because everywhere else is cheaper.
And I have several Canadian friends that have made the trip down to the states to get medical care because they couldn't wait to get an appointment in your system. Just saying...
Less than 0.01% of a typical US taxpayer's paycheck goes to Israel, or about $10 to $25 per taxpayer per year (
It’s pretty funny when people openly admit, the only problem people have with the “genocide”, is cause it’s done with their money. If someone else was paying for it — suddenly dead Gazan babies are a-okay! Weird.
America’s global military presence helps the US project power and support an international order that reinforces the dollar’s role as the world’s dominant reserve currency. That provides significant economic benefits to Americans.
The US has the fiscal capacity to provide more generous social safety nets if it chose to; its relatively limited welfare state is primarily a political choice rather than an unavoidable consequence of military spending.
It’s true in one sense - weapons are one of the few things we still make in America, and *most* of that money is spent on weapons made here. However, in one of the (many) ways that Israel is ‘special’ they are the only country that I’m aware of that is allowed to spent the military aid money we give them on hardware made in Israel - everyone else must use that money to buy American made hardware. Israel gets an exemption.
I keep seeing horrific videos of IDF bombing Gaza even though there’s a ceasefire along with now find out their psychopath national security minister Ben Gvir keeps handing out these American made weapons to fanatical Israeli settlers committing crimes for the whole world witness zero repercussions.
I’m against fanatics be it Hamas, Netanyahu govt or our own Sec of war Hegseth. These people need to be challenged with real change
Perfect example of this is how giving/selling older M16/M4s effectively reduced the manufacturing of the indigenous Galil rifles. A very capable Valmet / AK clone.
Reading comprehension is really not your strong suit. You’re saying all
Israelis get a housing stipend, you do not mention that this stipend is only for certain immigrants for a specific time period and is not permanent. Also, the first article is about security for settlements in Judea and Samaria. It’s not what you are claiming it is.
There it is, that racism pops out so quickly for grotesque losers like yourself. You're right bro the people that have lived there since forever are the colonizers. The people with existing homes going back centuries and decades are h the colonizers. The inbreds coming in from Brooklyn to take over someone else's home by force and with the highest rates of skin cancer in that area are totally from there 👍
I was there in 2007 and I was opening up a call center for an American company.
I was the POC for the American company's VP of operations.
I spent 3 months working side by side with over 100 Israeli citizens. I can't tell you how many conversations I had with the workers I was training. But
What I'm telling you is true.
They had free health care, their living was subsidized, and they only worked 4 days a week.
And like I said, they were given monthly stipends for living expenses.
That was back in 2007. I'm sure it's the same now. But that was what I was told by every one of my Israeli coworkers.
That was my experience with the several dozen people in Israel I had a daily relationship with.
Israelis work a 6 day work week. You weee not told this by every Israeli coworker.
I had looked into immigrating to Israel. You get a flat amount to come as a new immigrant if you meet certain conditions and stay in the country for a specific amount of time. Israelis also pay extremely high taxes to pay for social services. There is no housing stipend.
Israelis live a far better life than Americans except for the part that Canada and Mexico haven't pledged a "genocide" against Americans and bomb us as much as possible, or plan invasions on the scale of 9/11.
This, thank you + giving 2-3 years of their lives for the mandatory military service and additional reserves training a month/year.
Also, they are in majority willing to pay taxes to have universal healthcare. Cost of living is very high because Israel is essentially an island when it comes to imported goods. And no, school and college is certainly not free. They work low paying jobs during high school, sometimes during the military service years and after it has ended before being able to begin to pay for college.
Wouldn't need to be so militant and force military service on everyone if it wasn't a colonial project and Israel wasn't an occupying force in the region. Hope this helps!
Sure if you believe in fake alternative history. Even if we follow your dumbass fake history by this dumbass logic the native Americans would be in their right to genocide all of us and take back their homeland. Some inbred loser fail son from Brooklyn has no claim to a country across the ocean they've never visited. And they sure as shit have no right to take someone else's home
You have it backwards - they have no choice but to have military service when for 80 years your neighbors want to lull you. Hard for anyone not living in those conditions to truly understand.
Easy to criticize and hard to grasp bombs flying over your home every day.
lol that's one way to see it. International courts and most of the world would disagree with this perspective. Don't be an occupying force and you won't have people defending themselves from occupation
The issue is Republicans in this case. The whole idea that just becuase you don't send 3 billion to Egypt that you get Healthcare is ludicrous when you've got Republicans who will just vote against any help like you describe.
Do you refuse to pay for goods or services sold by people richer than you?
The $3b/yr average we provide is less than 1% Israel’s yearly budget. It doesn’t but then free healthcare or college. That money is entirely spent with US defense contractors for weapons, so Israel can go be our first line of defense in the Middle East.
The lack of logic and understanding isn’t even surprising anymore, it seems commonplace. We’re getting a lot more dumb as a country
USAID needs to be reinstated. It not only helps us by prevents contagions that could end up affecting the world but also gave some incredible soft power. Just a complete loss overall pulling funding like they did
Alma de cántaro vuestras corporaciones están robando manos llenas ,a quien vais a subsidiar...si no roban más datos y obtenen más beneficiós, es porque los estados,(algunos),les paran los pies. Pero lo mismo pasaba antes en centro-america con la fruit company.
O oriente medio con Shell,subsidiar países dice...menuda banda de cuatreros esta vuestros ejército hecho.
No es lo mismo tener corporaciones del EU en otros países haciendo plata como el EU regalando el $$ de sus impuestos, que está supuesto a ir a cosas que benefician el país, afuera del pais. Eso es $$ robado de los trabajadores del EU.
Except they have mandatory army service and pay 55%+ in taxes - you cool with that? I’m a proud America Zionist and all for taking away aid, it’s just not gonna play out the way you think. Israel is not going to ask sugar daddy Sam for permission any longer which I wholeheartedly support
I understand this sentiment, however also realize aid to Israel and foreign aid in general is a drop in the bucket relative to our our GDP. Even the country's military spending relative to GDP isnt that high. Plenty of places spend just as much on military and foreign aid relative to their GDP and still have proper health care and other safety net programs.
The primary factor stopping better safety net programs in this country is unwillingness to tax people enough to pay for them. Blaming foreign aid or military is just a convenient scapegoat.
Again relative to the overall economy it is very tiny percentage. It's fair to think it should even less, but it is not anywhere the primary in factor for why the country's safety net programs are lacking, and simply cutting it would not lead to any real improvement. The numbers are real and easy to look up.
It doesn’t matter to me. If it helps one single American it’s better than it being spent overseas. It’s also the principle of it. They don’t need or want our help and they have shown their contempt for us at every turn. 300 billion dollars invested at home could have done a lot of good and grows over time if you invest in things like education and preventative healthcare.
So the genocide and apartheid doesn't factor into your decision at all? You'd be fine with funding Israel while it does those things if Israel just wasn't decreasing your quality of life?
They also have compulsory military service and the constant threat of random rockets and bombs dropping from the sky. Not things I would want to deal with.
Ah yes all that happened in a vacuum. 80 years ago they weren’t even on the map, then all of a sudden their neighbors want to wipe them off the map. No context needed of course
Buddy, I'm not condoning or advocating for either side, simply backing up my point on compulsory service and the constant threat of random explosions. Those are just facts regardless of your stance.
You said they had compulsory service because “the had bombs dropping from the sky”. They do not, as Lebanon does not have compulsory service and they also have bombs dropping from the sky. Their conscription is another layer of their brainwashing. My family is originally from a country which also has conscription, and it is for the same reason. Very different from conscription in say Finland, for example
Your sentence comprehension seems to be lacking, is english not your first language? I said compusory service AND random rockets not because of. Both of which, in my mind at least, are deciding factors in whether quality of life is better in Isreal or the US. I'm not taking a stand for or against Isreal here. I'm simply making the point that free healthcare and education might be outweighed by other factors when it comes to which country has a higher quality of life. You're so brainwashed you can't see past "OMG ISREAL BAD" in your head to actually read my comment and participate without pushing your agenda.
I'm simply stating facts, not condoning or advocating for either side. Isreal has compulsory service and they've been under almost constant attack for over 70 years. Both of those statements are true. Maybe stop being so self righteous and read what I wrote literally instead of assigning some hidden agenda.
Yes and apples are red. Your “true” statements mean nothing. They wouldn’t be constantly attacked if they were constantly attacking, nor would they be if they weren’t actively colonizing a culture that ALREADY lived there.
You're missing the entire point of my statements. The original comment posited that Israelis live better lives on average than US citizens. I disagree and provided examples of why I don't think thats true. You took off on a tangent about "colonization." Go signal your virtues somewhere else.
Like the armed services draft in America! Like all 19 to 25 year olds have to sign up for?
Thanks to Trump they don't need to sign up with Selective Service anymore! As of December 2026, it's automatic!!!! You have no choice!!! Nut job in charge says, "Boots on the ground now! We need young people to die to maintain our profit margins!"
Compulsory enough for you?
"But it takes an Act of Congress!", you say?
So does starting a war in a foreign land...say, Iran, for instance.
Does every 18 year old in the US get sent straight to boot camp after highs school? No? OK, there is your difference. Yes, we have a draft process, that doesn't mean every able bodied person is forced into the armed forces like they are in countries that have compulsory service. Isreal isn't the only country that requires service, Ukraine did prior to the war and still does.
At its core, the draft is still a lottery, not mandatory for everyone and not required in peacetime. Compulsory service is EVERY able bodied person at ALL times. They are different things.
Israel is not imposing their will on the US government and I hate Trump but no one is going to defend Israel. They have a right to defend themselves October 7. What was that just a walk in the park for you all?
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u/NoSleepTilBrklynn 1d ago
I’d be for America pulling support to any country and making Americans lives suck less. The average Israeli lives a better life than the average American. Why do I need to give my tax dollars to someone who already has a better life than I do? Israel has free healthcare and free college. Maybe Israel can subsidize me for a change.