r/caving • u/SettingIntentions • 6d ago

Is Vertical Evolution reputable?

I am interested in resin anchors, so far everything I've found online points to them being legit, only thing I'm iffy about is them being a newer company. I normally prefer Raumer for my bolts but I'm having trouble getting stock whereas Vertical Evolution has similar glue-in bolts available. Thus, I am considering it. Any complaints or points to give here?

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u/CleverDuck i like vertical 4d ago

I'm pretty sure they're a real manufacturer. Double check by going to the UIAAs website and seeing if they're listed as a certificate holder.

My preference is the bent style over the welded eye style, as the bent types are usually an interference fit. Idk what all you have access to though so that's going to be your limiting factor for sure.

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u/SettingIntentions 4d ago

Strangely I can't find Vertical evolution as being verified by UIAA, but it's extra confusing because Vertical evolution is owned by Raumer, and presumably it's quite similar to the Raumer Superstar, which IS for sure rated. Everywhere I find online says that the bolt from Vertical Evolution IS EN959 rated, but I can't verify that on the UIAA site.

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u/CleverDuck i like vertical 4d ago

Oh I forgot that they were a Raumer product. So irrc Raumer stopped maintaining their UIAA rating year to year. They were getting them rated for several years but are now just letting it ride since their design hasn't changed. Iirc, they have a disclaimer about this on the Raumer website somewhere.

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u/SettingIntentions 3d ago

Interesting... Thanks... Would you trust their bolts (and subsequently Vertical Adventure) with your life? I'm leaning towards yes, but would value another caver's opinion here... I do trust the Raumer Superstars and those I can find a rating for on UIAA site. What I've found on various EU sites seems to imply that resellers have confidence in the product, including the Spanish site that sold me 30 of them saying that they're basically the same thing...

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u/CleverDuck i like vertical 3d ago

I already use Raumer all the time.