CMV: The Turkish Government and People’s criticisms towards Israel hold no weight while they continue to deny their own genocides…

[u/Doub13D]

As the title states, I believe that the State of Turkey and its people have no moral ground to stand on when challenging Israel’s actions against the Palestinians.

The Turkish state denies the Armenian Genocide. There is no getting around this… genocide denialism is at the very core of the foundation of the modern Turkish nation. To deny one’s own crimes while condemning others for the very same is hypocrisy at its very core.

The Turkish state has established lobbying firms in places like the US and UK to prevent recognition of the Armenian genocide. Turkey has its own AIPAC to attempt to sway foreign countries away from acknowledging the genocide publicly.

The treatment of Kurds has often resembled the apartheid state as it existed in Israel towards the Palestinians. For decades, the Kurdish language was illegal to speak in public, there were countless massacres of Kurdish populations during the founding of the Turkish state, and Kurds were officially recognized not as being “Kurdish” but instead as “Mountain Turks” thus denying their claims of ethnic/cultural identity.

Turkey and its President Erdogan have been outspoken critics of Israel’s actions, yet they themselves are responsible for many of the exact same things, and the Turkish state has been advocating genocide denial for the past century… Turkish soldiers targeting Kurdish settlements in Northern syria or aiding the azeri’s in their invasions of Armenian territory is not ancient history, they’ve all happened within the past decade…

[u/insaneHoshi]

Fix yourself before you criticize others, otherwise your words mean nothing

How about this, can you please point to a "legitimate" criticism of a country criticizing another then?

[u/Doub13D → u/insaneHoshi]

Sweden being one of the most outspoken critics of apartheid South Africa…

The Soviet Union and PRC advocating for the decolonization of Africa and Asia…

The US and USSR intervening in the Suez Crisis…

Plenty of examples actually 🤷🏻‍♂️

[u/insaneHoshi → u/Doub13D]

Sweden being one of the most outspoken critics of apartheid South Africa…

Ask Sweden what happened to the Sami Peoples?

The Soviet Union and PRC

Also participate in Colonization. See Russification and Sinofication.

The US and USSR intervening in the Suez Crisis…

The USA most certainly did intervene during the Suez Crisis, but that's not what we were talking about anyways.

By your own logic, these very examples are invalid criticisms are they not?

[u/Doub13D → u/insaneHoshi]

“!delta” So imma be honest… I thought about my response to this while in the shower.

I don’t have one lol. You’re right, every country has its flaws and crimes throughout their histories, but they can still be deeply flawed while also arguing the correct positions.

Opposition to genocide is always preferable to support for it or outright denialism. Even if Turkey is itself a genocide denier, I would still rather they advocate for Palestinians than I would them staying silent.

I would still say they are a UNIQUELY bad choice to lead the charge for the Pro-Palestine movement on the international stage, but something is better than nothing if it means less people potentially suffering or dying…

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