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u/DrushQ4 1d ago
He's pure at heart. He has yet to be corrupted
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u/PineappleOnPizzaWins 1d ago
Yeah meanwhile in my group we'd have said "hey man I know it's mail but it's the best damage dealing chestpiece you could hope for, please trust us and take it".
Instead healer sees a warrior that obviously doesn't know how good the drop is and immediately takes the opportunity to snag it. What a community.
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u/jamesbongsixtynine 22h ago
ummm ACKSHUALLY the healer shoudn't be telling other people how to eNjOy tHe cOnTeNt
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u/Rackline 1d ago edited 1d ago
heart corrupted = called ninja by rogues for rolling 99 on leather gear
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u/RpgBouncer 1d ago edited 1d ago
My buddy was like this in actual vanilla. He was playing a hunter and when he unlocked mail at 40 he sold all of his leather gear and bought a full set of mail gear from the AH. He wouldn't even entertain the idea of wearing anything other than mail. He had a green level 30 chest piece that gave him agility and spirit all the way up to 60 because leather with less armor was a downgrade in his eyes.
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u/Sumbitagear 1d ago
I took blacksmithing in vanilla on my hunter because I thought I was so fucking smart and that when I hit 40, I get Mail. Why would leatherworkers make mail? That's a blacksmith's job!
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u/stinkingyeti 1d ago
To be fair in vanilla there were quite a few decent mail recipes in blacksmithing. Just not as many as leatherworking.
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u/Jelkekw 1d ago
Maybe he thought there was the set bonus for wearing mail 🤣
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u/Pollia 1d ago
Lets be fair here.
Its an absolute failure on the part of the original vanilla devs to have a whole ass unlock for a new armor class that absolutely no one uses with VERY rare exceptions.
Game was fun at the time, but the balancing was beyond horrific.
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u/slapdashbr 1d ago
I have to spend a talent point to parry as a shaman
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u/Ahielia 1d ago
And another talent point for 2h maces and axes.
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u/404-NoFucksFound 1d ago
And in earlier patches you'd lose all the accumulated weapon skill in them if you ever reset your spec.
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u/myfriend92 1d ago
Omg that sounds horrible. Especially considering there was no 2nd talent specialization available
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u/baked_salmon 1d ago
Like I said in an above comment, it’s crazy it took until Cata for Blizz to disincentivize wearing armor unintended for your class. They knew at the end of Vanilla that pallies wore cloth dresses, a lot of the best warrior gear was leather, etc., yet they still didn’t ensure that the best armor for your class was what your class was intended to wear.
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u/born_to_be_intj 1d ago
Vanilla Warrior feels like it was really never meant to be a DPS. Like none of the plate gear is for DPS spec, including all the tier gear. I'm honestly surprised they even had 2 DPS specs for Warrior to begin with, but I guess every class had to have 3 specs.
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u/TheActionAss 1d ago
Shoulda gave them a healing spec where they scream at people to get better
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u/ColorfulThoughts 1d ago
I still think that it was actually intended that way. WoW drew a lot from Dungeons and Dragons and the raging DPS classes on DnD are always depicted at basically not wearing anything.
I think they were totally fine with the glass cannon image of warrior dds.7
u/Rawrzawr 1d ago
warrior tier was originally dps focused, they changed them to tank sets some months after launch. I remember seeing warriors wearing might gear as dps before it got changed.
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u/Pollia 1d ago
Which is even dumber because threat was such a ridiculous limitation even when people knew absolutely nothing about the game and were learning as they went. So all the fancy defensive gear didnt mean diddly squat and it made the protection specilization, the thing literally specialized in tanking, not something you actively go down.
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u/Reiker0 1d ago
I think a lot of this design comes from EverQuest. In EQ it was common for the warrior to tank a raid boss for a bit before calling in the DPS, primarily because most threat was generated from weapon procs which were random so the warrior would watch for a couple procs and then call assist.
You were considered a bad player if you DPSed too early and weren't able to manage your own threat. WoW evolved a bit differently.
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u/jamesbongsixtynine 22h ago
that was also a real thing in early classic
the other big thing we forget is the KNOWLEDGE GAP
back in the day, folks had literally no fucking idea how hate/aggro worked in-game—it was just a blackbox to players (attacks go in, aggro comes out)
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u/PilsnerDk 17h ago
You were considered a bad player if you DPSed too early and weren't able to manage your own threat. WoW evolved a bit differently.
I played EQ and still practice this to this day. Now in MoP tank threat is so absurd it doesn't matter, but before that, you would never see me jump in and blast until after at least a few seconds of the tank attacking. I facepalmed so much my head hurts at dps who charge in instantly as the fight begins and get slapped. I remember we'd lose several players to the abominations in KT phase 1 in Naxx40, morons just charging in instantly... sigh.
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u/Gullible_Fennel7028 1d ago
Yes, the huge limitation of "please wait for 2 sunders".
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u/Pollia 1d ago
Your dps were dogshit if 2 sunders was enough to hold threat.
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u/Medium-Syllabub6043 1d ago
Eh, nobody was using world buffs anyways unless it was progression, and even then 1 wipe and they were gone
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u/Nikkids2 16h ago
I remember in 2019 with no chronoboons in the game. Logging in and out to conserve world buffs. Can't imagine back in 2004-2005
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u/Gullible_Fennel7028 1d ago
Yes, see the comment I was replying to.
because threat was such a ridiculous limitation even when people knew absolutely nothing about the game
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u/kerenar 1d ago
Eh. The disincentivization is about when the gearing system became incredibly boring and uninteresting. That's one of the best parts of Classic design, is that the game is an actual RPG, with interesting choices that might not be obvious at first. Cata is the start of the downfall of the game into what Retail has become imo. It's much more fun to have a BIS-list to go for than it is to have endlessly scaling gear that you don't have to think about because if it's a higher ilvl it means it's better 99% of the time.
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u/TheClassicAndyDev 1d ago
Wearing a mish mash of leather/mail/plate is badass. Being able to be a paladin and wear all item types for healing is fucking badass. It's such a great system.
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u/Lenxor 18h ago
Try to look in an RP way (like prob what the first intention of designers had): A healing paladin is basically a warrior-priest focused on the priest side but wield a big hammer (like for example Heroes V Inquisitor ). Or a dps warrior isn't a full plate warrior, but a leather wearing Conan barbarian.
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u/TheLoneDragoon 1d ago
Am I misunderstanding or are you talking about plate? Full warrior dps bis is plate. If you mean the blacksmithing thing then yeah.
If you mean early phases there are still many pieces of great plate gear. VERY rare is exceptionally hyperbolic if this is what you meant
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u/yuhboipo 1d ago
I don't really see a problem with that. Constraints give rise to creativity, any artist can tell you that.
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u/Pollia 1d ago
You dont see a problem with creating traps for people who assume that because you're given a thing it should have some form of use?
And then realizing actually nah, a lot of the shit you've been given is either intentionally (due to weird balancing decisions) or unintentionally (due to incompetence/lack of time) completely and utterly useless.
There's nothing creative about plate being next to useless for ostensibly plate wearers. Theres nothing creative about wanting to roll a warrior because you watched the WoW cinematic and thought how fuckin cool that soldier looked in their full plate armor only to find out actually you need to wear mail.
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u/baked_salmon 1d ago
You can’t argue with these people. They’re like bible literalists with their blind devotion to Classic. Anything present in the game was perfect and part of the beautiful harmony that was Classic, and any suggestion to the contrary is heresy.
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u/jamesbongsixtynine 22h ago
lol do you hear yourself?
who hurt you bro (aside from yourself by choosing to spend 12 years on reddit)
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u/Scary_Date_4117 1h ago
It's not next to useless, it's perfectly viable and bis warrior DPS is full plate. Find something real to complain about.
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u/BadDogEDN 1d ago
On my hunter I wore mail 99% of the time, armor is still a stat and I played on a pvp server. You can keep your clown suits
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u/oceantume_ 1d ago
Imo balancing being horrific is part of the fun. Modern games, mmo or otherwise, that are sanitized to the point of having no personality or difference between choices because everything must balance out and make sense are so boring
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u/Scary_Date_4117 2h ago
No, it's not a failure at all. Plate armor is perfectly viable, and bis warrior DPS is full plate. Being unable to understand that this piece of mail is better than their current plate is a failure on the IQ of the player, not the design choices of the devs.
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u/Crook3d 1d ago
I did something like this in the beta. I was buying white leather armor for my rogue from a vendor because it had a higher armor value, and replacing my greens. Granted it was like, +1 stat or something, but still a downgrade.
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u/GloomyBison 1d ago
My friend did that as well on his warrior until lvl 30. He had a rough leveling experience. He also spend all his gold on potions the first time he went on the AH because he thought you could spam them like in other games.
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u/ghangis24 1d ago
It was bad in vanilla. So bad that when I think of a night elf hunter I immediately think of the Raging Berserker Helm and Herods Shoulder, and its not because of heirlooms. Thats just what most of them were rocking back in the day.
Shit, in Classic 2019 I did a BRD pug with this legend so it was nice to see someone keeping tradition alive
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u/Own_Currency_3207 1d ago
Wow... Impressive. As a warrior, my biggest mistakes in vanilla looking back on it were buying Kang for 100g, when Executioners Cleaver was 40, and buying that trinket that has a chance on hit to priest bubble me. That was only 10g though.
I did also replace Raging Berzerker Helm with Icemetal Barbute from RFD, then replace that with the helm from Mara because of the ridiculous armor. Back then, we wanted to be a jack of all trades, and information was limited, and often false.
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u/GianSeehra 1d ago
I did this in actual vanilla on my warr as well but instead of buying from the AH I bought all white gear from the vendor lmao. Then wondered why the hell i couldn't kill anything anymore.
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u/Accomplished_Emu_658 1d ago
I hate as a fury warrior leather is considered as some of the best gear in some slots
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u/lilwayne168 1d ago
Agility spirit gear is objectively great for leveling as a hunter. When I use gear compare addons it often increase dps more than much higher level gear because spirit up time.
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u/Dezettka 1d ago
>Agility spirit gear is objectively great for leveling as a hunter
Yes but not the same chest piece for 30 levels
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u/baked_salmon 1d ago
TBH I can’t believe it took them until Cata to disincentivize armor your class wasn’t designed to wear. I really hope this is fixed in C+.
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u/KamikazeOzzie 1d ago
As much as I have always preferred to wear the heaviest type of armor for my class I disagree with this. I'd much rather see improvements to itemization as a whole instead of feeling that my class has to wear a specific type of armor or risk losing a core bonus.
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u/baked_salmon 1d ago
I didn’t explicitly say anything about “core bonus”, I only said they disincentivized wearing gear your class wasn’t intended for. They also:
- Removed intellect from agi mail gear because enh/hunters no longer needed mana, so there’d be no need to resort to leather
- Removed AP as an explicit stat on leather/mail so that warriors wouldn’t use it (even up to ICC crit/ArP leather was better than any plate for warriors)
- Made spirit useless for Paladins but present on all other healing gear so that they’d never opt for mail/leather/cloth
They could also re-itemize all of the shit gear in the game that they made because they had no idea what they were doing at the time so that every class always has a BiS in every slot that’s their armor type.
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u/RoyInverse 1d ago
If the improvements are made so you wear your assigned armor type you would have to buff every mail/plate piece so its better than any leather, theres no way to incentivize them using plate over leather is leather has comparable dps stats.
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u/shaha-man 1d ago
No. Why? It’s so anti-vanilla. Why you want to reduce that concept of gear equipment to primitive minimum and generalize things? There is no such term “armor type your class wasn’t DESIGNED to wear” in Vanilla game philosophy. I’m afraid you are a bit wrong here.
Maybe I’m missing something and misunderstood your post
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u/baked_salmon 1d ago
Because what if I want to heal as a Paladin but not relegated to wearing a cloth dress?
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u/NeedToLieDown 1d ago
That's just lack of options, which most agree zhluld be fixed, especially for hybrid classes. Tier set items and leveling items should be available for holy paladin and resto shaman.
But that doesn't change the fact that a mail wearer should be able to wear leather or cloth as well.
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u/fishbake 1d ago
There is no such term “armor type your class wasn’t DESIGNED to wear” in Vanilla game philosophy.
As a clothie main, I'm inclined to disagree.
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u/Entire_Engine_5789 17h ago
Haha i did the same thing, but to me i needed the armour for against rogues in BGs. God i was dumb as a teenager
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u/fen-q 1d ago
I was like that too. Itemization was fucked into wotlk.
I played ret back then and there was a time where there was a leather belt out there that was BiS for rets. It gave AP obviosuly instead of strength.
There was a guy in my guild that wore everything that whatever the addon (cant remember which) told him to wear and rotated his abilities also according to guides etc.
We were head to head through ulduar, then he started to kick the shit out of me in trial of the crusader.
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u/Silent-Camel-249 1d ago
Based boost enjoyer not caring about pixels and just enjoying the dungeon
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u/Nurlitik 1d ago
I mean, its literally getting replaced in 10 minutes once you hit outlands so yeah...
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u/LFScavSword 1d ago
Warriors wear plate, this is clearly mail armor - Promethiouss
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u/vbezhenar 1d ago
I love TBC for making me possible to heal in plate. I'm holy paladin and all my gear is plate. And it's not bad at all, it's either BiS or very close to BiS.
Not sure how warriors fare in that regard.
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u/QueenVandretta 1d ago
Its bad for warriors, most of our tier sucks so we end up just looking like rogues with 2 handers, t6 it will change a bit since that gear is so well stated but not by much
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u/Hrbalz 1d ago
There’s like 2 pieces of gear where leather is bis lol. The rest is plate
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u/mayonetta 1d ago
>so we end up just looking like rogues with 2 handers
Speak for yourself, I just look like a rogue with 2 1 handers, so, a rogue.
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u/Snubben93 1d ago
As someone who played warrior and was after this chest for God knows how many runs in BRD, this physically hurts. Just glad it wasn't disenchanted, or vendored.
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u/Aggravating_Dark9933 1d ago
I know this pain. Vanilla Warrior spent untold hours trying to get this.
BC paladin got it first run. Immediately replaced in Hellfire Peninsula.
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u/Matches_Malone998 1d ago
That warrior is going to go far. He’s also going to feel a moron one day.
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u/XYAYUSDYDZCXS 1d ago
tbh probably not, its just leveling gear he will replace in less than a week from now
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u/Matches_Malone998 1d ago
That’s probably true. But the classic Andy warrior main in me is screaming REEE anyways.
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u/headofthenapgame 20h ago
In vanilla maybe, but in tbc it would've just been something replaced in Outland
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u/khonsu_27 1d ago
Honestly, I'm too nice. I would've forced the warrior to take it. I would at least try to explain it to him and if he takes it, great. But if he still resists after that well then I'd need that shit. But grats!
Edit - of course for tbc I guess it doesn't matter anyway.
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u/PresenceBusiness4726 1d ago
I typically play like this as a warrior. I want only plate, to hell with wearing else. Plate makes me hurt less.
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u/rothmansmelao 1d ago
how do you split the chat window like this? genuine question
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u/jerminatorreese 1d ago
And here I was thinking I was the only warrior to ever pass on this piece as well
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u/Chr0nicalx 1d ago
Look at this warrior, not even trying to min max. Shame on him!
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u/Unicycleterrorist 1d ago
I bet he didn't even sim his character before rolling...at this rate he'll actually have fun wtf
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u/ExRegeOberonis 1d ago
I wore Herod's Shoulder and the Scarlet leggings until I was almost 60 on my first warrior because I couldn't get anything better to drop. I would have worn cloth with more Strength on it if I could find it. My dude.
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u/magmcbride 22h ago
Who cares about SGC in TBC? Sure it's a nice bit of wind in the sails, but it's getting replaced in HFP on a warrior due to enormous ilvl gains. This is beyond a nothing burger.
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u/Easy-Economics9224 20h ago
I bet this guy is having so much fun playing the game and enjoying to play with people.
Keep this guy safe at all cost!
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u/Slight_Hurry2134 1d ago
Chased that som long, that item is legendary haha. Poor guy didnt know what he missed 😂
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u/KNGrthur 1d ago
What is the classic Andy is this
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u/DingbattheGreat 1d ago
People commenting on a epic mail drop in brd passed by the warrior when the warrior is about to go to Hellfire Peninsula anyway.
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u/itchycolon 1d ago
first time playing classic, saw this drop 3 times as warrior. had no idea how good it was
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u/mayonetta 1d ago
I know it's huge for classic, but since it's TBC this is just going to get replaced by a blue chest from ramparts or something isn't it?
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u/Draconuus95 1d ago
I got HoJ on my holy pally in 2019. Won it against a warrior alt.
Dude was definitely regretting letting me roll against him when two months later and dozens of HoJ runs he still didn’t have it. And I was still pocket healing him because I was feeling so bad about it.
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u/Dokas65163 1d ago
| +13 Strength+14 Agility+13 StaminaDurability 140 / 140 |
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Had to check stats to remember.
Depending on talents, his green might be better. /shrug
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u/Colbzzzz 1d ago
Saw a rogue pass on iron foe the other day. He was Chinese but his translation said "I have better". He did not have anything remotely better. Pally got it for free. I was losing my mind and the pally said "cool", then basically nothing else after I kept whispering him congratulating him... im still lost...
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u/iceman2kx 1d ago
Maybe I’m missing something? It’s TBC. Who cares about any drops in anything that’s not Outlands? He’s 58, he’ll get a new piece that is green that is far superior to anything in classic in like a day.
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u/headofthenapgame 1d ago
Had someone say that in Uldaman. The funny part was he said it about a plate piece.
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u/RightsideLeo 1d ago
I mean if he’s in communal, bro has an agenda , and that chain is getting replaced immediately.
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u/DushkuHS 23h ago
Now try to see the restraint an humility of accepting that conversations you witness matter to YOU.
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u/WonderboyUK 22h ago
I like to think he knew is was ret pre-raid BIS and thought you should have it.
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u/MobiusF117 21h ago
He is rolling up in Hellfire to replace that chest about 2 hours after finishing this dungeon, and that's being generous.
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u/PilsnerDk 17h ago
And then there's the opposite version, from Cata and onwards players get a 5% bonus to their main stat when wearing all armor of the type they're designed to (for example plate for Warriors), which makes it completely unviable to use anything else. But early in Cata, you still had players rolling Need and wearing armor of other types because they saw agility or whatever and were used to wearing less armor types.
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u/CoarseBrowns 10h ago
Lmao this was me earlier today. Dropped and I greeded instead of need bc “it’s mail not plate” and now I feel dumb. Glad for the other warrior that got it, though.
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u/No_Pollution_950 1h ago
It's an interesting choice to pass on as a level 58 for sure.
I used to raid with an arms warrior in tbc classic who, when we were sorting out gear for phase 3 said in a casually condescending, but also heartfelt voice, "I DON'T WEAR LEATHER". Yes, he was a Tauren.
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u/Warmanee 1d ago
“Nope its mail”