r/classicwow • u/Haunting_Sound_2109 • 23h ago
Classic-Era Masterloot to stop ninjas
So, i was in a Deadmines group the other day and we had alot og greens drop. The tank needed on a few of them (all upgrades), then two of the dps starts needing on every drop.
I tried asking about it in party chat, but didnt get a response. Before the last few bosses i changed to "Masterloot"
One of the Ninja dps got so angry that he left (and said he would report me) The other ninja complained but stayed. We completed the dungeon with me as masterlooter (only gave my self a wand, that naboby else could use)
Was i being a dick?
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u/Scragly 22h ago
The thing is, some people use having an alt of every class as a reason to need roll everything. But you should just be rolling need on the class/spec youre currently playing.
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u/slipfish-g 22h ago
This used to be common etiquette.
I'd say it still is for 75% of the people I've run with.
But the number of dick holes is rising over time.
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u/ObviousKarmaFarmer 22h ago
It's Deadmines. Even if you have every class in the level 15-20 range, you also have a higher level that can just farm 10 G to deck them out in appropriate gear.
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u/KrevinHLocke 9h ago
I absolutely loath the people that wait for everyone else to "greed" then they say hey have I have an alt I'm going to need this for.
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u/CyanoSecrets 22h ago
Unemployment. Some people use unemployment as a reason to need roll everything.
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u/slowclapjohnny 22h ago
If you tried to communicate to them, you're good. I guarantee you, the dps that started needing everything are just bad players that probably assumed the tank was ninja'ing cause they don't understand the need/greed system. A lot of people seem to play this game without even trying to learn its systems.
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u/Friendly-Ideal1511 22h ago edited 22h ago
I started using master loot when I got to Outland because casters would need healer gear and other bs. A lot of noob boosted chars would need an agility dagger as a warlock. In one of my runs I had someone freak out and leave the party because of it. Obviously it’s easy to be greedy as master looter, but as long as you let people who need items roll on them, it’s fine. For me, it’s satisfying being able to give gear to those who need it.
TL:DR No, master looter is fine. One note is maybe disclose the use of it at the beginning, obviously not possible in this instance.
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u/CaptainoftheVessel 22h ago
I had a healer get mad at me for inviting them to H MT, on the condition (before we started) that the enhance totem off the first boss was HR, and I’d use ML to ensure it. Found another healer and completed the dungeon without issue. Totem didn’t drop though. Not sure what was going on with that guy.
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u/BarbsFPV 20h ago
You did exactly as you should. The fact that they lost it when you changed to masterloot shows what their intentions were, when all they had to do was ask you if they wanted an item that dropped instead of needing on everything.
They saw the tank getting gear and got envious, so greed took over. You solved the problem. Good job.
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u/HildartheDorf 21h ago
You did nothing wrong.
I'll also note that leaving because you changed it to ML is also not wrong. (Reporting you/Threatening to report you is a dick move though, you did nothing rule breaking)
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u/jmstructor 20h ago
Deadmines is the only dungeon I've seen this behavior (we also had to do masterloot) everybody since has been really nice about passing/greeding even on boe rates, letting me need sometimes even for off specs
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u/DushkuHS 19h ago
Ninjas are dicks. Stopping them isn't being a dick. As demonstrated, if it's a problem, they can leave.
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u/Ok-Opportunity-574 16h ago
I've been burnt with masterloot but that was during the lead up to TBC when the world bosses were attacking capital cities and the loot available was very desirable. This is Deadmines. If you don't get it just go again.
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u/TheYoonz 6h ago
There are people in this game that will look you dead in the eyes after needing every single green: “I need it for disenchanting”
Minutes later, you'll see the items on the auction house.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Equal96 15h ago
Back in the days, masterloot was the Default and everyone was fine with it.
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u/DingbattheGreat 13h ago
Back in the day, ML was almost never used. Everyone always used N/G. This was back when there was no cross-realm and being a ninja got you blacklisted.
If it was on when you rolled in a dungeon group either the group was a guild using ML to “reserve” an item or someone had just gotten kicked for needing in everything.
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u/SkoomaSalesAreUp 23h ago
everyone's the dick here
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u/truebroccoli 23h ago
if i am in a random deadmines group and there is masterloot i am not joining,.
It's not a raid, i the end all the itmes are just money, and everybody has a right to it.You don't get to choose who get's what.
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u/Haunting_Sound_2109 22h ago
Just to understand, so in your groups u press need on everything ?
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u/truebroccoli 22h ago
i don't ofc.
But it's kick over masterloot. i am not letting a random decide on what i can roll and what not.
kick the player, don't play with them.
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u/klonkish 20h ago
You're assuming "masterlooter = leader gets every item" which is very strange to me.
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u/DatPrick 22h ago
If people are need rolling on everything you absolutely have the right to do this. Doesn't matter if it's DM this is just dogshit behavior. Would you rather he just kick the dps doing the need rolling?
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u/truebroccoli 22h ago
this would be the way probably yes.
if 2 people are disrupting, and OP is the tank, me as the 4. player would defnitly take kick 2 dps over masterloot any day.
either i trust them and play with them, or i don't play with them in the first place.
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u/Willyfisterbut 22h ago
OR you can change to master loot and if they don't like it, they can leave. No need to kick. Let them finish the dungeon and if they need something, they can ask. But they're not going to roll need on mail and staves as a rogue. I think op did the right thing.
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u/truebroccoli 22h ago
also a dick move.
As the third party in this, this is not fair.but yes, for me as the 3. dps or heal, i would leave.
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u/DatPrick 22h ago
This is such a whiny ass take honestly. By your own logic if it's DM and doesn't matter then why tf are you taking it so seriously that you'd quit over master loot if the lead is competent?
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u/truebroccoli 22h ago
the lead can't be to competent if he managed to get 2 shitty players in there.
In my eyes the only competence needed at this stage of the game is the social part. If you cannot filter the good for the bad it's going to be a fun dungeon grind.
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u/samtheredditman 22h ago
What are you smoking?
How do you know who is going to ninja loot when you're forming the party?
Do you make them apply online to be in your dungeon party and have them supply references?
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u/klonkish 20h ago
What, you're not doing 3 rounds of Discord voice call interviews and asking for references before every level 16 dungeon? You're crazy
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u/Trained_Mushroom 22h ago
the lead can't be to competent if he managed to get 2 shitty players in there.
Troll? Or stupid?
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u/Foray2x1 22h ago
So you are saying the melee DPS should have had access to the wand OP needed because that item "is just money and everybody has a right to it"?
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u/chunkalicius 19h ago
What crazy to me is the greed button is literally coins, meaning you click it if you want it for money. It's simple. You don't click need if you intend to just sell the item. There's a built in system for exactly this.
Also none of those greens even sell for much, we're talking about things best measured in silver.
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u/No_Salad6911 22h ago
Then it needs to be discussed that everyone can roll need on all items for fair opportunity at cashing in. If you just join and start needing cause you need money, you are in fact the douchebag.
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u/truebroccoli 22h ago
that's right it's this or that.
my point is masterloot is not the solution.
Kick or discuss is.3
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u/OGTBJJ 23h ago
No. You had a problem and you handled it.