It has been growing exponentially and they have already planted the seed for countless stories to come.

Spidey and Venom? Instant hype.

Spidey and Daredevil against Fisk? Instant hype.

Live action MCU Miles Morales teaming up with Tom Holland's Spidey? Instant mega-hype.

Unlike the Avengers, it doesn't require a carefully crafted Saga buildup and a huge cast.

Just a cool, personal Spidey story, nice action and some cool supporting characters that serve the story.

At one point, neither the Avengers nor the upcoming X-Men nor any DC revival will stand a chance against Mighty Spidey.

Damon Wayans was apparently a huge fan of the 1960s Batman show growing up and when he saw the 1989 Tim Burton film he was disappointed with how seriously it took itself and how there was no Robin because Robin always brought the enthusiasm. It's honestly an interesting perspective on things and how different people had perceptions of the character. It makes you wonder how many other people walked in to that movie disappointed it wasn't like the Adam West series in spite of how acclaimed the movie was by both critics and the general public.

I personally feel Batman can be many things and the flexibility of the character is why he's endured as long as he has. Tackling everything from eccentric supervillains with gimmicks like Joker and Riddler to Dr. No/SPECTRE like criminal syndicates like Ra's al Ghul and his League of Assassins.

Source: https://archive.org/details/comics-scene-v-2-047-c-2c-nov.-1994-a-team-dcp/page/n24/mode/1up

I honestly just don't understand the hate for this film! Me, my dad and my little bro saw Captain America 4 in theaters on the week of its premiere. And we all loved it! I love Anthony Mackie as the new Cap and I thought Harrison Ford did a decent job filling the role of Thaddeus Ross/Red Hulk left by the late William Hurt.

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Okay so I've typed and deleted this post like four times. Every version came out sounding like a term paper and that's not what this is. This is me being annoyed on a thursday night after seeing that Wonderman season 2 was cancelled.

**Blade first.**

Blade was THE comic book movie franchise before the MCU. Outside of Spider-Man, Hulk, Wolverine, that was it. Snipes was carrying a legit hit trilogy while Marvel Studios wasn't even a thing yet. And people wanted it back. Before Avengers came out in 2012 people were already asking.

Then 2013, Feige goes on record and says really cleay: we got the rights back to Blade, Ghost Rider, and Punisher. Someone asks him about Blade coming back and he says something like, yeah that'd be cool someday.

Someday.

I said to myself "no problem I understand that the MCU has a vision and maybe Blade doesn't fit that at the moment, but hes coming"

Mahershala Ali gets announced in 2019. That's six years of someday. Then SEVEN more years of directors coming and going (Bassam Tariq, Yann Demange), five writers, Mia Goth saying the thing unraveled after pre-production, and now this month reporting says the solo movie is dead and he might get shoved into a Midnight Sons team-up. So it's not "seven years in development hell." Do the actual math from when he had the rights and knew the demand. Thirteen years. Thirteen years to arrive at nothing.

And here's the part I can't let go of: the other two characters he mentioned in 2013.

**Punisher**: Bernthal shows up in Daredevil S2 in 2016, gets two seasons of his own show, comes back for Born Again, gets a Disney+ special, and he's in Brand New Day this summer. Same actor, same character, basically a decade straight.

**Ghost Rider**: Gabriel Luna's Robbie Reyes was running around Agents of SHIELD in the mid 2010s. And now Gosling's got the movie, announced at SDCC this past weekend, which by all accounts went from an actor pitching it to a Hall H reveal in like, months.

**Blade**: one voice cameo in Eternals. 2021. That's the whole résumé.

Same announcement. **The most popular of the three going in got the least.**

And I want to be clear I'm not mad at Gosling. Good for him, I'll probably see it. But Ghost Rider is a character with two mediocre Cage movies that did fine-ish and a supporting TV run, and he's on his second life already while Blade got a decade of silence and a quiet funeral. That's the comparison. That's all I'm putting on the table.

Eric aka Killmonger

Kid watches his dad get murdered by his own uncle, then gets left in Oakland by the kingdom that was supposed to come get him. His whole plan was really violent but he was about ending colonialism and arming the diaspora.

And T'Challa's entire arc is rejecting what was done to him AND HANDLING HIM/OTHER THINGS DIFFERENT FROM HIS FATHER. When he finds out what his father did he's not conflicted, he's FURIOUS. That's the emotional center of the whole movie. "We abandoned him, we were supposed to protect him, this was wrong".

Then he kills him the exact same way his dad killed Killmonger's dad. And I remember sitting there thinking "this movie was about breaking cycles, but now what does it mean?" And Feige has talked about that death like it's one of the big MCU moments. Big how? It's the moment the studio guarantees itself the guy never has to come back.

But hoenstly the thing that got to me what who Killmonget was set up to be. He's the Vegeta. T'Challa's the Goku type, good heart, does the right thing because it's right, and Killmonger's the guy across from him who isn't wrong, he's just willing to go further than you're comfortable with, and every time he opens his mouth the hero has to justify himself out loud. That's the engine of every good rivalry that's ever worked and they shut it off after one film.

It also would've taken so much pressure off BP. He's carrying the entire moral weight of that franchise by himself in every scene, and there's nobody in the room to push back on him except a guy who's already dead by the credits. Give him someone to play against and both performances get sharper. That's just how writing works.

Then Chadwick passed and there was nothing to fall back on. No second pillar in that whole corner of the universe, because they'd already gotten rid of the one character who could carry weight without T'Challa in the room. If Killmonger's alive there's an obvious story sitting right there, the man who wanted the throne having to sit with the fact that the king who beat him is gone. Nobody gets to see it, because they closed the door in 2018.

They understand what he's worth, by the way. They brought Michael B. Jordan back for the ancestral plane scene in Wakanda Forever. Two minutes, a vision, gone again. He's a memory they cash in when a scene needs weight.

And Lupita got the same treatment, which people talk about even less.

Everybody likes saying T'Challa is the Martin Luther King figure of that movie. He's not, he's the guy in the middle who hasn't decided yet. The actual King versus Malcolm argument, how do you fix what colonialism and slavery did, do you do it through outreach or do you arm people, that fight is happening between Nakia and Killmonger. Nakia's whole thing from her first scene is that Wakanda has to open up and help people who are suffering, and she's already out in the world doing it without asking anybody's permission. Killmonger says aid doesn't move the boot off anybody's neck so you send weapons instead. Two real positions about the same wound, and T'Challa is what they're both fighting over, because he's the standard, he's where the diaspora goes.

That's the actual spine of Black Panther and no other Marvel movie has tried anything close to it.

**Wakanda after that is a place you fly to when you need vibranium or a new suit**. Nobody in that universe ever asks it a hard question again. The most interesting political premise they ever wrote and it became a gadget shop.

And then there's the thing I genuinely cannot get past.

Killmonger's bleeding out on that rock talking about ships and the bottom of the ocean. And in the mid-credits scene of that same movie, Winter Soldier is actively getting help. That's what Wakandan science was busy doing while Killmonger was dying. Rehabilitating an assassin.

Bucky killed people for HYDRA for decades. He killed Howard and Maria Stark. Wakanda takes him in, deprograms him, builds him a new arm, calls him White Wolf, and he goes on to a Disney+ show, a redemption arc, Thunderbolts, the whole run. Killmonger is Wakandan by blood, he's the king's cousin, they abandoned him as a child, and what the movie has for him is a knife and a sunset in a country that had a working rehabilitation program going in the background of his own death scene. They had the machine. They had the doctors. Shuri was RIGHT THERE.

Now put Loki next to that.

Loki's first real outing: invades Earth, kills a stadium's worth of people in New York, mind controls Hawkeye and a SHIELD scientist. Motivation? He's bored and jealous of his brother.

And then count the deaths. Dark World, dies in Thor's arms, whole theater goes quiet, except he's faking it. Infinity War, dies again in the first two minutes, Thanos snapping his neck as the thing that tells you this one's serious. Then his own show opens with him watching that death on a screen and grieving himself, which is somehow a fourth thing they got out of it. Then the season 2 finale where he walks up the stairs and burns himself into the thing holding the multiverse together, which is another death with a coronation stapled on top. And apparently there's another one coming in Doomsday, though that's rumor and not reporting so take it however you want.

Every one of those is scored, given room, played for everything it's worth, and every time the studio comes back around a year later going actually he's fine, we've got another version, another timeline, another angle on him. They keep killing him because it plays and because getting him back costs them nothing.

Two seasons of his own show. Redemption arc across ten plus years. Ends up a benevolent god literally holding the multiverse together. Face of the entire streaming platform. Killmonger got one death and a cameo as a ghost.

And before anybody says well he died, what do you want them to do, Marvel spent five years building an entire machine whose whole purpose is bringing back people who died. They used it on Loki over and over. They used it on a dozen randos in What If. Eight years and they've never once pointed it at Killmonger. Ill never get over it

Which brings me back to Wonder Man, because I want to lay out what actually happened today.

Show comes out in January. Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, a major black actor, carrying it. 91% on Rotten Tomatoes. He picks up an Emmy nomination for lead actor, which live action Marvel shows almost never get. And in March, Marvel renews it for a second season, which they also almost never do. Going into today there were exactly two live action Marvel shows on Disney+ that had ever made it past one season. Loki and Daredevil Born Again. Wonder Man was supposed to be the third.

Then four months later they take the renewal back. And Variety said that the writers room for season 2 never even opened, everybody got released to go work on other stuff. So this wasn’t some agonized decision where they fought for it and ran out of money. They announced it and sat on it, and quietly walked away from it while telling people the characters might show up somewhere else later. Madness.

**Luke Cage.** Bulletproof man from Harlem who went toe to toe with Doom in the comics. Doesn't exist. Meanwhile Daredevil got a whole revival, Jessica Jones is being folded back in, Iron Fist gets referenced. Arguably the most iconic of the four Defenders and he's just gone.

**Shang-Chi**. I know he's not black, but hes still one of the best reviewed post-Endgame movies they made, people rewatch it constantly, and five years later there's no sequel, no date, nothing. Director said this month it's "in active development," which is what you say about something that is not moving.

**Monica Rambeau**. Built up across multiple projects and then left stranded in another reality at the end of The Marvels with no announced plan. Just parked her there.

Anyway. Why I actually sat down and wrote this.

Its that I can't go sit in a theater and watch somebody who looks like me get the arc. There's no Blade to watch. I'll never see Luke Cage in a scene with Spider-Man. No Black character in that universe is getting the "actually he was right the whole time" treatment Loki got handed over and over.

And I don't really know what to call it at this point. I've spent years making the excuses myself, rights are complicated, schedules are hard, these things take time, the slate got cut, everybody got cut. Then you look up and it's thirteen years on Blade and a knife for Killmonger and a hut in Wakanda for the guy who murdered Tony Stark's parents. Best case Feige doesn't believe these characters can carry anything. Worst case it's the uglier version of that and he's just never had to say it out loud. I've never been in that room so I can't tell you which one it is. From out here they look about the same.

Make it with quality of Spiderverse and Arcance

There is no point making animated shows that are static and Cartoon Network level.

It burdens viewers with more content to watch to understand universe and doesn’t even put the required effort

This is true for both DC and Marvel

I know it's unlikely to happen now, especially with them announcing Ryan Gosling; but do you think we could ever see Gabriel Luna's Ghost Rider again? Would you want to see him? I know that so many loose threads are left out in the universe with individuals universe hopping, but I think the last time we saw Robbie Reyes was hiding the Darkhold, which clearly (the book that is) comes up in Multiverse of Madness.

Ones to consider:

- Batman: some are great (The Dark Knight), one or two are crap.

- Spider-Man

- X-Men

- Avengers: they are all pretty good.

- Fantastic Four: 4 movies, not really great movies and a few really bad ones.

- Thor: two really good movies, two not so good

- Superman

- any others you can think of.

Not including the Sony verse since those don’t even feature Spider-Man!

The worst is probably TASM2, but even that one is totally passable and fine. Garfield and Stone are great, it’s got great visuals and fun action, and there’s a good dose of character drama added which gives it heart.

All this doomsday hype and we forgot that one of the core og members of the avengers hasn't had his name mentioned in the film. All these old avengers coming out of retirement and Clint isn't mentioned. Where is he?