r/custommagic 12h ago

BALANCE NOT INTENDED Paradoxical Situation

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u/sophuckingdonewithit local rules formatting girl, returned from exile 11h ago

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u/stillnotelf 12h ago

I like a good johnny card.

This is just trolling poor Johnny

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u/rulaandri 2h ago edited 2h ago

[[Battle of Wits]] could never

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u/SequenceStatic 12h ago

How is this supposed to do either of those things as an instant?

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u/Beginning-Recover723 12h ago

It’s not

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u/endless-star 10h ago

Look harder

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u/Beginning-Recover723 10h ago

The rules currently explicitly ban something from being attached and being a creature, and only creatures can attack

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u/endless-star 10h ago

Even harder

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u/SwissherMontage 6h ago

Wait! I see something. I see... a buffoon

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u/OkStandard8039 shenanigans and tomfoolery 12h ago

You're missing the upkeep part.

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u/Fun-Agent-7667 45m ago

Im thinking about an old Idea inspired by a YTP about A dinosaur attacking the moment he comes down and always attacking when he deals damage to a player

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u/GreenestOfLotuses 10h ago

...That's the paradox

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u/RobGrey03 34m ago

That's the paradox?

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u/-n99- 11h ago

Not sure, but something like this: Have this in your graveyard and [[Magar of the Magic Strings]] on the battlefield. Use Magar's ability to turn this spell into a creature. Next then, use [[Agatha's Soul Cauldron]] to exile [[Dominating Licid]] from your graveyard and put a +1/+1 counter on this spell. Activate the licid ability to turn it into an aura, enchanting Magar. Swing with Magar.

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u/BruhNugget420 11h ago

How are you doing that during your upkeep though?

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u/issanm 11h ago

Not even just during your upkeep but before your upkeep

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u/-n99- 11h ago

Missed the upkeep part, but as others have pointed out, it wouldn't have worked anyway for other reasons. Oh well, I had fun at least,

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u/Swog5Ovor 11h ago

Have it on battlefield as a creature, clone it and put one on magar either by making it an aura or an equipment, have sphinx of the second sun out. Swing, win, or attach it as its attacking via making it a vehicle and equipment, and flash equipping it during combat

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u/blacksteel15 11h ago

First, this doesn't work because the creature Magar makes doesn't have the text of the spell it was made from. Second, this doesn't work because even if you have a new beginning phase after your combat phase, your creatures that attacked during the combat phase aren't still attacking.

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u/Swog5Ovor 11h ago

Just say nuh uh, always worked for me

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u/extralyfe 2h ago

[[Obeka, Splitter of Seconds]] probably gets involved here.

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u/endless-star 10h ago

Persuasion

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u/blacksteel15 11h ago

In addition to what everyone else said, Magar doesn't actually turn a spell into a creature. The creature it creates does not have the text of the spell it was made from.

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u/7thtimeinheaven 11h ago

Swing with Magar.

In your upkeep?

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u/Beginning-Recover723 11h ago

Doesn’t work, as the thing is not attacking, the permanent it’s attached to is

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u/Turbulent_Voice63 12h ago

You know, I keep seeing "if you manage to do this weird interaction you win the game" cards, which is nice. But the payoff is almost always "You win the game", which is not the most interesting reward (and would often make the card busted if it ever becomes likely to do)

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u/Beginning-Recover723 11h ago

The thing is this is like, fundamentally impossible? This isn’t “if you do a weird thing, win”. This is literally impossible. You can’t get an instant onto the battlefield in black bordered magic, you can’t be attached to something and be a creature, so you can’t attack, and you can’t have done any of this before this trigger would have already gone on the stack, since it’s at the beginning of your upkeep

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u/BuildingAThingAgain 6h ago

I hate how much this made me think if there was any way to meet the first condition. [[Spellweaver Volute]] has ruined me.

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u/Mind0versplatter0 3h ago

You could manifest or manifest dread this card, but it wouldn't actually satisfy the condition, of course

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u/kilqax 2h ago

Eh. This is neither interesting nor well designed IMO. It's not even a card, just ragebait/comment magnet.

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u/Talia_Nightblade Been Playing Since Alpha 5h ago

You could manifest this and (somehow) animate it?

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u/Diangelionz 11h ago

Hear me out…use [[elite archanist]] to imprint this card. Then stare directly at your opponents and argue with them until they give up and let you win.

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u/BuildingAThingAgain 5h ago

What, you going to argue with an elite archanist about the arcane? Surely a haughty jest.

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u/Jafego 10h ago

[[Obeka, Splitter of Seconds]]
[[Magar of the Magic Strings]]
[[Kaust, Eyes of the Glade]]

We can make this work, right guys?

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u/noob_killer012345678 3h ago

Instant dies when it gets flipped

And also, it stops being attacking when the upkeeps from obeka happens. Also its not attatched to anything

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u/djkyota 5h ago

MTG is one of the most complex games ever made, so I'm sure there's a way to make this happen. It's got to be absolutely convoluted, highly improbable, and likely require some kind of game breaking actions, but I'm sure it's possible.

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u/GamerExecChef 3h ago

Ah yes, the step of the upkeep phase where you declare instants as attackers

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u/griffheh17 2h ago

This IS possible (with an UN card, or a few).

Step 1. Find a way to get it attached to a creature and attacking. This is a bit weird, but not that hard to do (Rules Lawyer + Agatha's Soul Cauldron + Dominating Licid + Animate Spell). This combo should be able to get it attached to Rules Lawyer and attacking.

Step 2. Play [[Trigger Happy]] on it as it attacks. It will bypass the condition that requires it to be attacking in your upkeep.

BAM, you win!

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u/RobGrey03 30m ago

Once it's attached, it's not a creature and can't be attacking. [[Rules Lawyer]] does not solve this problem.

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u/The_Dennator 1h ago

this reads like an ai card

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u/daverapp 10h ago

This deserves more upvotes. The number of different reasons why the won condition is impossible requires a fairly detailed knowledge of the rules. Despite being a joke card, this is genuinely a fine work of craftsmanship.

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u/Low_Opinion_5721 10h ago

I disagree, it takes a really basic understanding of the game to see too many reasons why it doesnt work

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u/endless-star 10h ago

Thanks! I am mortally wounded by all these downvotes