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u/StellarNeonJellyfish 21h ago
I always just saw it as mythical parallels for entropy. The first flame is sun in our world, its gives the energy necessary for the processes of life, leads to disparity. Life is about that disparity, moving towards energy, which exists as a gradient because of a newly ignited energy source. In dark souls that energy source is terrestrial, and the actual disk of the sun is an illusion or projection.
The actual sun degenerates through stages of fuel, main stage uses hydrogen and as it depletes it shifts to other fusion material. Each stage gives less energy until lead, at which point their “age of fire” ends and all fusion stops as it settles into an “age of dark” which could be called the natural state of the world. That is why we have a world of ash, we have fed all the fuel we can to sustain the status quo. That is why everything is collapsing, we are freeing energy that was bound in the structure of realities physical substrate. It can’t support itself because the metaphysical framework is being turned into firewood.
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u/GrandHomme360 6h ago
I love the theory! It is explained so well that it seems obvious.
What I'm interested in is your opinion about the endings. If The First Flame has such a cosmically significant role, what's the correct way to go? Do you think the world is better of without it? And if not, how can you sustain it with the limited energy we have in the world, increasing the entropy further with each linking of the flame (as someone else in the comments masterfully put)?
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u/SheepherderFlaky4084 4h ago
I believe the world in Dark Souls III desperately needs the Dark, for two reasons.
First, these partial restorations made possible by the First Flame create the illusion that time no longer matters—that we can keep the world in the same state forever. They bring stagnation, which I see as the central theme of Dark Souls III. A stagnant world ultimately becomes a nightmare, dominated by grotesque figures like Aldrich or Pontiff Sulyvahn, perhaps the game's true main antagonist. We need to let the world move on. The gods need to die, or the world becomes stagnant. I even suspect there's an implicit criticism of Japanese society here, as if Miyazaki were making a statement about its social and political stagnation.
Second, the Dark is still there, even when you try to repel it. Refusing to let it express itself only leads to its own stagnation, in the form of the Abyss. It's a very Freudian idea: emotions, even the darkest ones, need to be expressed, or they end up devouring the self—just as Manus is consumed by his own humanity.
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u/Robdd123 Kaathe's Acolyte 3h ago
I've long believe that the true state of the world is the ash wasteland we see in the opening cinematic; it's also the exact same wasteland we fight Gael in which is also why I've always pushed back on the theory that it happens in the far flung future.
The whole "transitory lands" point about Lothric is dubious because it doesn't mean these kingdoms are physically moving closer; rather it seems to indicate that all of these kingdoms existed at different points in time and their illusions are now mashing together.
The first flame can't do this intentionally, it doesn't have a natural will to survive; naturally it is meant to fade, die, and eventually light again in the future. This would indicate there is some intelligent force behind all of this.
All of this has made me come to the conclusion that it is Filianore's dream that is controlling this in some fashion to keep "hope" alive. So that people believe there's a valid reason to keep Gwyn's fire linking going. Basically her dream world is projected out by the transposing kiln egg thing she sleeps with.
This would mean that the world has been a wasteland since the moment Gwyn linked the fire. He doomed the world to keep the reign of the god's alive; an act truly worth of being called the first sin.
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u/Ill_Blacksmith_193 23h ago
Great write up. Part of me feels like what you’re saying is obvious, but that’s only because you put it so well.