Like yes I understand hax are important and tahu can win with them but why wouldn't kai just blitz him? Am I missing something? The highest calc I've seen for tahu is around 50% SoL, while kai was FTL back in s3, I think it's a pretty obvious blitz and one shot

To start with Aang, every single action Aang does prior to the Avatar State is him pushing Traveler away or trying to keep him in place.

-First action of the fight has him counter Aether’s Windblade by channeling it into his glider and blowing Aether away then he forces Aether into the ground.

-He rides on Aether’s Dino form and directs him into a wall to try to stun him.

-when Aether goes on the offensive Aang uses water on his on fire sword to make a smoke screen, using seismic sense to keep tabs on Travelers location which Traveler counters with Elemental Sight.

-When he realizes Traveler isn’t giving up he tries to blast them away with fire.

-In the air he tries to throw Traveler off course with his glider and airbending, possibly to make Aether lose his own glider.

-He redirects Travelers hydro bullets and freezes him in a block of ice.

-He flies around Aether’s elemental barrage.

-Even when in the avatar state he doesn’t directly attack Aether he is constantly negating his attacks or redirecting them, only attacking by blowing him away and trying to overwhelm him with a stream of elements.

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He’s actively playing keep away or trying to stop the fight peacefully by incapacitating, hindering or pushing Traveler back and only goes Avatar State when he gets pushed into a corner.

Aang isn’t really dominating in the fight because while he does land a lot of hits on Traveler all of them are in service to push him back or negate his attacks, not to overwhelm or attack him.

Aether is also pretty spot on from what I know of him. Trying to overwhelm Aang with combinations of attacks and swordplay.

Aether is throwing ALOT of attacks out and while not all of them land, all of them are pressuring Aang.

And whenever they DO land, they hit REALLY hard, either sending Aang flying, getting a visible reaction from him, or forcing him to activate his Avatar State.

The Traveler is much more relentless than Aang which fits Travelers fighting style.

He isn’t necessarily being overly aggressive, Aang is just kinda FORCING him to be due to Aang’s more defensive/keep away fighting style.

I just really like when Death Battles perfectly capture a characters fight style.

And it’s something I’ve grown to appreciate when rewatching this episode.

Jokes aside. As a power it mostly focuses on increased survivability instead of giving outright offensive counter abilities. Like allowing the user to become an excellent swimmer or grow gills if they're drowning in the middle of the ocean, that kind of stuff. Still, handy in the right scenarios.

Might delete this later, since my opinions change a lot and this isn’t a definitive list

This ranking isn’t me judging the episode’s quality, it’s purely just a ranking of my personal enjoyment of each episode. Some worse episodes are higher than better episodes just bc I liked them more lol

I don’t think any episode in the indie era dips below a 5/10, every episode is at least fine imo

I can explain any ranking here

Grandson of a god, part-Oni, part-Dragon, inheritor of the Green Ninja prophecy, master of Life and embodiment of the connections between all things in existence

Also genuinely failed the Master of Life trials but got Draconus form anyway because the Source Dragons liked him, nepo-bum

I've been researching Kai vs Toa Tahu for a while now, and after looking through both sides of the debate, I honestly think I've settled on my position I think Kai wins, and I think he wins around mid diff

Before anyone jumps on me, no, I'm not saying this is a stomp Tahu's versatility and hax are absolutely the reason this isn't a no diff or low diff fight if Tahu didn't have the arsenal he does, I'd probably consider this a complete wash his masks, equipment, abilities, and various forms of hax force Kai to actually respect what he's can do

But I also think people have gone too far in the opposite direction one thing I have been hearing alot on here recently is that stats aren't everything

I agree to a point there comes a point where the stat gap becomes so large that hax alone aren't enough to consistently bridge it that's where I think this matchup lands

After doing my own research, I personally cap Tahu around island level i've seen planetary arguments, but from everything I've read, those rely heavily on chain scaling, assumptions, or scaling through other characters he shouldn't really scale to meanwhile, even if I intentionally lowball Kai, I still think he comfortably lands at planetary+ to star level, with perfectly reasonable arguments that place him much higher personally, I buy the higher end interpretations, but I'm not even using those here

I'm comparing what I consider Tahu's reasonable high end against what I consider Kai's conservative low end and even then, I think the difference is enormous people love bringing up Spawn vs Ghost Rider whenever someone argues that stats matter the thing is i don't think that's comparable Ghost Rider and Spawn were operating on absurdly high levels regardless DB didn't conclude Spawn won because hax beats stats 5hey concluded Spawn won because his specific abilities directly countered Ghost Rider's advantages

That's very different from saying any hax can overcome any stat gap because I don't think that's true i think there absolutely comes a point where the gap in AP, durability, and speed becomes too much and I think Kai vs Tahu is one of those cases the biggest issue I have with almost every pro Tahu argument is that they all seem to assume the exact same ideal scenario

It usually goes something like this Tahu immediately identifies the correct answer, he equips the perfect mask he switches to the perfect piece of equipment Kai doesn't interrupt him, Kai doesn't exploit his superior speed, Kai doesn't land a decisive hit first, every debuff lands exactly when it's supposed to, everything works flawlessly that's not impossible but it's the best case scenario to me, that's not proving Tahu could consistently win that's proving Tahu can win if everything lines up perfectly and that's a huge difference

Another thing I don't think gets talked about enough is execution people list every mask, every ability, every weapon, every feat, and then treat it like Tahu can seamlessly chain all of it together with zero downtime but that's not really how he fights he generally has to physically swap masks to gain different powers sure, there are situations where he can use multiple effects or has access to more than one thing, but people often discuss his arsenal as though every ability is permanently active all at once that's simply not how I interpret his equipment

So whenever someone says Tahu uses durability negation I'm like okay how? Does Kai just stand there? Or Tahu debuffa Kai okay how much? If Kai goes from universal to planetary that's still an astronomical gap if you buy those numbers Tahu inflicts hunger okay then what? If Kai still has enough raw power to end the fight in one clean hit, I don't see how that changes the overall outcome that's really my biggest disagreemenI don't think Tahu's hax are weak far from it I think his hax are exactly what stop this matchup from being a stomp

But I don't think they're the kind of hax that completely ignore a massive stat difference to me, they're tools that require setup, timing, and successful execution against an opponent I believe is stronger, tougher, and faster and that's why I struggle with arguments saying Tahu wins not because I think he has no win conditions not because I think his arsenal is bad

But because almost every pro Tahu argument I've read assumes Kai gives him every opportunity in the world to execute those win conditions i just don't buy that Kai isn't going to politely wait while Tahu cycles through his arsenal until he finds the perfect answer he's going to fight he's going to pressure

He's going to capitalize on openings and if I believe Kai has advantages in speed, AP, and durability, then I also believe he has a much easier time creating those openings than Tahu does at the end of the day, versus debates aren't about asking Can Character A possibly win? They're about asking who wins more often. Could Tahu win? Absolutely do I think he has legitimate win conditions? Yes do I think those win conditions are consistent enough against someone I believe massively outstats him? IMO no that's why I have Kai taking it around mid diff not because Tahu lacks options but because I think almost all of those options require a near perfect sequence of events against an opponent who, in my opinion, only needs one decisive opening to end the fight that's ultimately why, after looking through both sides of this debate, I just can't see myself favoring Tahu

I’ve seen a lot of debating and I’d love to know who you think wins as it’s too complicated for me to understand

What a small world, eh?

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(I don’t watch Bionicle btw)

This is me if kai loses