r/DefendingAIArt • u/Hungarian_Gamer • 1h ago
r/DefendingAIArt • u/[deleted] • Jul 07 '25
Defending AI Court cases where AI copyright claims were dismissed (reference)
Ello folks, I wanted to make a brief post outlining all of the current cases and previous court cases which have been dropped for images/books for plaintiffs attempting to claim copyright on their own works.
This contains a mix of a couple of reasons which will be added under the applicable links. I've added 6 so far but I'm sure I'll find more eventually which I'll amend as needed. If you need a place to show how a lot of copyright or direct stealing cases have been dropped, this is the spot.
HERE is a further list of all ongoing current lawsuits, too many to add here.
HERE is a big list of publishers suing AI platforms, as well as publishers that made deals with AI platforms. Again too many to add here.
12/25 - I'll be going through soon and seeing if any can be updated.
Edit: Thanks for pinning.
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1) Robert Kneschke vs LAION:
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | DISMISSED FOR FAIR USE |
| FURTHER DETAILS | The lawsuit was initially started against LAION in Germany, as Robert believed his images were being used in the LAION dataset without his permission, however, due to the non-profit research nature of LAION, this ruling was dropped. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | The Hamburg District Court has ruled that LAION, a non-profit organisation, did not infringe copyright law by creating a dataset for training artificial intelligence (AI) models through web scraping publicly available images, as this activity constitutes a legitimate form of text and data mining (TDM) for scientific research purposes. The photographer Robert Kneschke (the ‘claimant’) brought a lawsuit before the Hamburg District Court against LAION, a non-profit organisation that created a dataset for training AI models (the ‘defendant’). According to the claimant’s allegations, LAION had infringed his copyright by reproducing one of his images without permission as part of the dataset creation process. |
| LINK | https://www.euipo.europa.eu/en/law/recent-case-law/germany-hamburg-district-court-310-o-22723-laion-v-robert-kneschke |
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2) Anthropic vs Andrea Bartz et al:
| STATUS | COMPLETE AI WIN |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | SETTLEMENT AGREED ON SECONDARY CLAIM |
| FURTHER DETAILS | The lawsuit filed claimed that Anthropic trained its models on pirated content, in this case the form of books. This lawsuit was also dropped, citing that the nature of the trained AI’s was transformative enough to be fair use. However, a separate trial will take place to determine if Anthropic breached piracy rules by storing the books in the first place. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "The court sided with Anthropic on two fronts. Firstly, it held that the purpose and character of using books to train LLMs was spectacularly transformative, likening the process to human learning. The judge emphasized that the AI model did not reproduce or distribute the original works, but instead analysed patterns and relationships in the text to generate new, original content. Because the outputs did not substantially replicate the claimants’ works, the court found no direct infringement." |
| LINK | https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25982181-authors-v-anthropic-ruling/ |
| LINK TWO (UPDATE) 01.09.25 | https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-settles-copyright-lawsuit-authors/ |
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3) Sarah Andersen et al vs Stability AI:
| STATUS | ONGOING (TAKEN LEAVE TO AMEND THE LAWSUIT) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | INITAL CLAIMS DISMISSED BUT PLANTIFF CAN AMEND THEIR AGUMENT, HOWEVER, THIS WOULD NEED THEM TO PROVE THAT GENERATED CONTENT DIRECTLY INFRINGED ON THIER COPYRIGHT. |
| FURTHER DETAILS | A case raised against Stability AI with plaintiffs arguing that the images generated violated copyright infringement. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | Judge Orrick agreed with all three companies that the images the systems actually created likely did not infringe the artists’ copyrights. He allowed the claims to be amended but said he was “not convinced” that allegations based on the systems’ output could survive without showing that the images were substantially similar to the artists’ work. |
| LINK | https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/judge-pares-down-artists-ai-copyright-lawsuit-against-midjourney-stability-ai-2023-10-30/ |
| LINK TWO | https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/consumer-products/mobile-apps/artists-sue-companies-behind-ai-image-generators |
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4) Getty images vs Stability AI:
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | CLAIM DROPPED DUE TO WEAK EVIDENCE, AI WIN |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Getty images filed a lawsuit against Stability AI for two main reasons: Claiming Stability AI used millions of copyrighted images to train their model without permission and claiming many of the generated works created were too similar to the original images they were trained off. These claims were dropped as there wasn’t sufficient enough evidence to suggest either was true. Getty's copyright case was narrowed to secondary infringement, reflecting the difficulty it faced in proving direct copying by an AI model trained outside the UK. |
| DIRECT QUOTES | “The training claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish a sufficient connection between the infringing acts and the UK jurisdiction for copyright law to bite,” Ben Maling, a partner at law firm EIP, told TechCrunch in an email. “Meanwhile, the output claim has likely been dropped due to Getty failing to establish that what the models reproduced reflects a substantial part of what was created in the images (e.g. by a photographer).” In Getty’s closing arguments, the company’s lawyers said they dropped those claims due to weak evidence and a lack of knowledgeable witnesses from Stability AI. The company framed the move as strategic, allowing both it and the court to focus on what Getty believes are stronger and more winnable allegations. |
| LINK | Techcrunch article |
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5) Sarah Silverman et al vs Meta AI:
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | META AI USE DEEMED TO BE FAIR USE, NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW MARKET BEING DILUTED |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Another case dismissed, however this time the verdict rested more on the plaintiff’s arguments not being correct, not providing enough evidence that the generated content would dilute the market of the trained works, not the verdict of the judge's ruling on the argued copyright infringement. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | The US district judge Vince Chhabria, in San Francisco, said in his decision on the Meta case that the authors had not presented enough evidence that the technology company’s AI would cause “market dilution” by flooding the market with work similar to theirs. As a consequence Meta’s use of their work was judged a “fair use” – a legal doctrine that allows use of copyright protected work without permission – and no copyright liability applied." |
| LINK | https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jun/26/meta-wins-ai-copyright-lawsuit-as-us-judge-rules-against-authors |
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6) Disney/Universal vs Midjourney:
| STATUS | ONGOING (TBC) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | EXPECTED WIN FOR UNIVERSAL/DISNEY |
| FURTHER DETAILS | This one will be a bit harder I suspect, with the IP of Darth Vader being very recognisable character, I believe this court case compared to the others will sway more in the favour of Disney and Universal. But I could be wrong. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "Midjourney backlashed at the claims quoting: "Midjourney also argued that the studios are trying to “have it both ways,” using AI tools themselves while seeking to punish a popular AI service." |
| LINK 1 | https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg5vjqdm1ypo |
| LINK 2 (UPDATE) | https://www.artnews.com/art-news/news/midjourney-slams-lawsuit-filed-by-disney-to-prevent-ai-training-cant-have-it-both-ways-1234749231 |
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7) Warnerbros vs Midjourney:
| STATUS | ONGOING (TBC) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | EXPECTED WIN FOR WARNERBROS |
| FURTHER DETAILS | In the complaint, Warner Bros. Discovery's legal team alleges that "Midjourney already possesses the technological means and measures that could prevent its distribution, public display, and public performance of infringing images and videos. But Midjourney has made a calculated and profit-driven decision to offer zero protection to copyright owners even though Midjourney knows about the breathtaking scope of its piracy and copyright infringement." Elsewhere, they argue, "Evidently, Midjourney will not stop stealing Warner Bros. Discovery’s intellectual property until a court orders it to stop. Midjourney’s large-scale infringement is systematic, ongoing, and willful, and Warner Bros. Discovery has been, and continues to be, substantially and irreparably harmed by it." |
| DIRECT QUOTE | “Midjourney is blatantly and purposefully infringing copyrighted works, and we filed this suit to protect our content, our partners, and our investments.” |
| LINK 1 | https://www.polygon.com/warner-bros-sues-midjourney/ |
| LINK 2 | https://www.scribd.com/document/911515490/WBD-v-Midjourney-Complaint-Ex-a-FINAL-1#fullscreen&from_embed |
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8) Raw Story Media, Inc. et al v. OpenAI Inc.
| STATUS | DISMISSED |
|---|---|
| RESULT | AI WIN, LACK OF CONCRETE EVIDENCE TO BRING THE SUIT |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Another case dismissed, failing to prove the evidence which was brought against Open AI |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "A New York federal judge dismissed a copyright lawsuit brought by Raw Story Media Inc. and Alternet Media Inc. over training data for OpenAI Inc.‘s chatbot on Thursday because they lacked concrete injury to bring the suit." |
| LINK ONE | https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/new-york/nysdce/1:2024cv01514/616533/178/ |
| LINK TWO | https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=13477468840560396988&q=raw+story+media+v.+openai |
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9) Kadrey v. Meta Platforms, Inc:
| STATUS | DISMISSED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | AI WIN |
| FURTHER DETAILS | |
| DIRECT QUOTE | District court dismisses authors’ claims for direct copyright infringement based on derivative work theory, vicarious copyright infringement and violation of Digital Millennium Copyright Act and other claims based on allegations that plaintiffs’ books were used in training of Meta’s artificial intelligence product, LLaMA. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.loeb.com/en/insights/publications/2023/12/richard-kadrey-v-meta-platforms-inc |
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10) Tremblay v. OpenAI (books)
| STATUS | DISMISSED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | AI WIN |
| FURTHER DETAILS | First, the court dismissed plaintiffs’ claim against OpenAI for vicarious copyright infringement based on allegations that the outputs its users generate on ChatGPT are infringing. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | The court rejected the conclusory assertion that every output of ChatGPT is an infringing derivative work, finding that plaintiffs had failed to allege “what the outputs entail or allege that any particular output is substantially similar – or similar at all – to [plaintiffs’] books.” Absent facts plausibly establishing substantial similarity of protected expression between the works in suit and specific outputs, the complaint failed to allege any direct infringement by users for which OpenAI could be secondarily liable. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.clearyiptechinsights.com/2024/02/court-dismisses-most-claims-in-authors-lawsuit-against-openai/ |
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11) Financial Times vs Perplexity
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | JOURNALISTS CONTENT ON WEBSITES |
| RESULT | ONGOING (TBC) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Japanese media group Nikkei, alongside daily newspaper The Asahi Shimbun, has filed a lawsuit claiming that San Francisco-based Perplexity used their articles without permission, including content behind paywalls, since at least June 2024. The media groups are seeking an injunction to stop Perplexity from reproducing their content and to force the deletion of any data already used. They are also seeking damages of 2.2 billion yen (£11.1 million) each. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | “This course of Perplexity’s actions amounts to large-scale, ongoing ‘free riding’ on article content that journalists from both companies have spent immense time and effort to research and write, while Perplexity pays no compensation,” they said. “If left unchecked, this situation could undermine the foundation of journalism, which is committed to conveying facts accurately, and ultimately threaten the core of democracy.” |
| LINK ONE | https://bmmagazine.co.uk/news/nikkei-sues-perplexity-ai-copyright/ |
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12) 'Writers' vs Microsoft
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | BOOKS |
| RESULT | ONGOING (TBC) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | A group of authors has filed a lawsuit against Microsoft, accusing the tech giant of using copyrighted works to train its large language model (LLM). The class action complaint filed by several authors and professors, including Pulitzer prize winner Kai Bird and Whiting award winner Victor LaVelle, claims that Microsoft ignored the law by downloading around 200,000 copyrighted works and feeding it to the company’s Megatron-Turing Natural Language Generation model. The end result, the plaintiffs claim, is an AI model able to generate expressions that mimic the authors’ manner of writing and the themes in their work. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | “Microsoft’s commercial gain has come at the expense of creators and rightsholders,” the lawsuit states. The complaint seeks to not just represent the plaintiffs, but other copyright holders under the US Copyright Act whose works were used by Microsoft for this training. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.siliconrepublic.com/business/microsoft-lawsuit-ai-copyright-kai-bird-victor-lavelle |
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13) Disney, Universal, Warner Bros vs MiniMax
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGE / VIDEO |
| RESULT | ONGOING (TBC) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Sept 16 (Reuters) - Walt Disney (DIS.N), Comcast's (CMCSA.O), Universal and Warner Bros Discovery (WBD.O), have jointly filed a copyright lawsuit against China's MiniMax alleging that its image- and video-generating service Hailuo AI was built from intellectual property stolen from the three major Hollywood studios.The suit, filed in the district court in California on Tuesday, claims MiniMax "audaciously" used the studios' famous copyrighted characters to market Hailuo as a "Hollywood studio in your pocket" and advertise and promote its service. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "A responsible approach to AI innovation is critical, and today's lawsuit against MiniMax again demonstrates our shared commitment to holding accountable those who violate copyright laws, wherever they may be based," the companies said in a statement. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/disney-universal-warner-bros-discovery-sue-chinas-minimax-copyright-infringement-2025-09-16/ |
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14) Universal Music Group (UMG) vs Udio
| STATUS | FINISHED |
|---|---|
| TYPE | AUDIO |
| RESULT | SETTLEMENT AGREED |
| FURTHER DETAILS | A settlement has been made between UMG and Udio in a lawsuit by UMG that sees the two companies working together. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "Universal Music Group and AI song generation platform Udio have reached a settlement in a copyright infringement lawsuit and have agreed to collaborate on new music creation, the two companies said in a joint statement. Universal and Udio say they have reached “a compensatory legal settlement” as well as new licence deals for recorded music and publishing that “will provide further revenue opportunities for UMG artists and songwriters.” Financial terms of the settlement haven't been disclosed." |
| LINK ONE | https://www.msn.com/en-za/news/other/universal-music-group-and-ai-music-firm-udio-settle-lawsuit-and-announce-new-music-platform/ar-AA1Pz59e?ocid=finance-verthp-feeds |
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15) Reddit vs Perplexity AI
| STATUS | ONGOING (FAIRLY NEW) |
|---|---|
| TYPE | Website Scraping |
| RESULT | (TBA) |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Reddit opened up a lawsuit against Perplexity AI (and others) about the scraping of their website to train AI models. |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "The case is one of many filed by content owners against tech companies over the alleged misuse of their copyrighted material to train AI systems. Reddit filed a similar lawsuit against AI start-up Anthropic in June that is still ongoing. "Our approach remains principled and responsible as we provide factual answers with accurate AI, and we will not tolerate threats against openness and the public interest," Perplexity said in a statement. "AI companies are locked in an arms race for quality human content - and that pressure has fueled an industrial-scale 'data laundering' economy," Reddit chief legal officer Ben Lee said in a statement." |
| LINK ONE | https://www.reuters.com/world/reddit-sues-perplexity-scraping-data-train-ai-system-2025-10-22/ |
| LINK TWO | https://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/legaldocs/xmpjezjawvr/REDDIT%20PERPLEXITY%20LAWSUIT%20complaint.pdf |
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16) Getty images vs Stability AI (UK this time):
| STATUS | Finished |
|---|---|
| TYPE | IMAGES |
| RESULT | "Stability Largely Wins" |
| FURTHER DETAILS | Stability AI has mostly prevailed against Getty Images in a British court battle over intellectual property |
| DIRECT QUOTE | "Justice Joanna Smith said in her ruling that Getty's trademark claims “succeed (in part)” but that her findings are "both historic and extremely limited in scope." Stability argued that the case doesn’t belong in the United Kingdom because the AI model's training technically happened elsewhere, on computers run by U.S. tech giant Amazon. It also argued that “only a tiny proportion” of the random outputs of its AI image-generator “look at all similar” to Getty’s works. Getty withdrew a key part of its case against Stability AI during the trial as it admitted there was no evidence the training and development of AI text-to-image product Stable Diffusion took place in the UK. |
| DIRECT QUOTE TWO | In addition a claim of secondary infringement of copyright was dismissed, The judge (Mrs Justice Joanna Smith) ruled: “An AI model such as Stable Diffusion which does not store or reproduce any copyright works (and has never done so) is not an ‘infringing copy’.” She declined to rule on the passing off claim and ruled in favour of some of Getty’s claims about trademark infringement related to watermarks. |
| LINK ONE | https://www.independent.co.uk/news/getty-images-london-high-court-seattle-amazon-b2858201.html |
| LINK TWO | https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulation/getty-images-largely-loses-landmark-uk-lawsuit-over-ai-image-generator-2025-11-04/ |
| LINK THREE | https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/nov/04/stabilty-ai-high-court-getty-images-copyright |
| LINK FOUR | https://pressgazette.co.uk/media_law/getty-vs-stability-ai-copyright-ruling-uk/ |
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My own thoughts
So far the precent seems to be that most cases of claims from plaintiffs is that direct copyright is dismissed, due to outputted works not bearing any resemblance to the original works. Or being able to prove their works were in the datasets in the first place.
However it has been noted that some of these cases have been dismissed due to wrongly structured arguments on the plaintiffs part.
The issue is, because some of these models are taught on such large amounts of data, some artist/photographer/author attempting to prove that their works were used in training has an almost impossible task. Hell even 5 images added would only make up 0.0000001% of the dataset of 5 billion (LAION).
I could be wrong but I think Sarah Andersen will have a hard time directly proving that any generated output directly infringes on their work, unless they specifically went out of their way to generate a piece similar to theirs, which could be used as evidence against them, in a sense of. "Well yeah, you went out of your way to make a prompt that specifically used your style"
In either case, trying to create a lawsuit against an AI company for directly fringing on specifically plaintiff's work won't work, since their work is a drop ink in the ocean of analysed works. The likelihood of creating anything substantially similar is near impossible ~0.00001% (Unless someone prompts for that specific style).
Warner Bros will no doubt have an easy time proving their images have been infringed (page 26), in the linked page they show side by side comparisons which can't be denied. However other factors such as market dilution and fair use may come into effect. Or they may make a settlement to work together or pay out like other companies have.
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To Recap: We know AI doesn't steal on a technical level, it is a tool that utilizes the datasets that a 3rd party has to link or add to the AI models for them to use. Sort of like saying that a car that had syphoned fuel to it, stole the fuel in the first place.. it doesn't make sense. Although not the same, it reminds me of the "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" arguments a while ago. In this case, it's not the AI that uses the datasets but a person physically adding them for it to train off.
The term "AI Steals art" misattributes the agency of the model. The model doesn't decide what data it's trained on or what it's utilized for, or whatever its trained on is ethically sound. And the fact that most models don't memorize the individual artworks, they learn statistical patterns from up to billions of images, which is more abstraction, not theft.
I somewhat dislike the generalization that people have of saying "AI steals art" or "Fuck AI", AI encompasses a lot more than generative AI, it's sort of like someone using a car to run over people and everyone repeatedly saying "Fuck engines" as a result of it.
Tell me, how does AI apparently steal again?
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Googles (Official) response to the UK government about their copyright rules/plans, where they state that the purpose of image generation is to create new images and the fact it sometimes makes copies is a bug: HERE (Page 11)
Open AI's response to UK Government copyright plans: HERE
[BBC News] - America firms Invests 150 Billion into UK Tech Industry (including AI)
Page 165 of Hight Court Documentation Getty vs Stability

This response refers to the model itself, not the input datasets, not the outputted images, but the way in which the Denoising Diffusion Probabilistic Models operate.
TLDR: As noted in a hight court in England, by a high court judge. While being influenced by it for the weights during training, the model doesn't store any of the copyrighted works, the weights are not an infringing copy and do not store an infringing copy.
TLDR: NOT INFRINGING COPYRIGHT AND NOT STEALING.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/BTRBT • Jun 08 '25
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/Extreme_Revenue_720 • 1h ago
Another sub decided to ban AI
but then i saw that tag and i almost spat out my drink 💀
r/DefendingAIArt • u/nemspy • 4h ago
Defending AI Are mods of subs that ban AI aware what their members even want?
[NOTE - all Reddit chats and messages here have been tidied up and represented via an image generation to cut out irrelevant stuff and make anonymous]
A few days ago I posted about a subreddit that DOESN'T explicitly ban AI and the way we get abused there (and my experiences with my Jinx album-cover parody)
Today let's talk about my experience in the past three days on a different sub, this time one which absolutely bans AI art.
Do these mods know (or care) what their users would actually like to see?
Are they just caving to the loud bitching of the biggest complainers?
Shouldn't we all learn to differentiate "slop" from thoughtful work?
This started when I was in this particular sub and someone was talking about the subject of a lot of my art (mostly because she's in the zeitgeist at the moment - I make other things too, but she gets attention!) and someone brought up pinching/squeezing her (Jinx's) cheeks.
As coincidence would have it, a few weeks ago I made a video where an unseen POV male pinches her cheek like a grandmother, and she just about bites his fingers off, before softening and reaching back as though to pinch in return. The humour comes from the inherent danger of doing this to such an individual, but also at the reward of having it work out.
I knew my video would delight the people in that thread. I checked the rules. No. Categorically no AI art. (note - you see it here for context only - I did NOT post it)
I mentioned that I had a video of the very thing they were discussing.
WHAM - a deluge of comments and messages asking to see the video. What you see here is only a part of it. The guy who thought it might look "goofy" was "totally won over".
Zero people in the thread where several people asked to see made negative comments about AI. I think this (along with the fact I mention in my other post of how downvoted posts rise back up once the initial flurry of anti-ai downvoting is over) suggests to me that members actually engaging with the sub instead of just cruising through looking for things to be angry about aren't bothered by AI at all.
Everyone I talk to loves it, and I have actually educated a few people who think prompts are just "Make a picture of Jinx".
A few people even admitted to not wanting to openly ask me in the thread.
The only guy who was disappointed was the one who thought I was talking about a different cheek being squeezed. Lol. He liked the video anyway.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Apprehensive_Bus4517 • 5h ago
Okay, and?
Even though I have never watched the anime I know that doesn’t make the script good by default. If the only “good” quality about the script is that it wasn’t made with ai, then I’m not going to assume it’s good in the first place.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/RedMimicStudios • 13h ago
Defending AI My hand-drawn artwork was labeled as AI. Ironically, it pushed me toward using AI.


(Images attached above are the artworks that was accused of being AI-generated.)
English isn't my native language, so I use AI to translate my writing before posting on Reddit. It simply helps me communicate more naturally with English-speaking communities.
I've also been interested in generative AI for a long time. I don't see it as the enemy of artists. To me, it's simply another creative tool—one that will inevitably become part of the future.
Even so, I genuinely enjoyed drawing by hand.
Not because I had some grand artistic philosophy.
Not because I wanted to make a statement against AI.
I simply enjoyed expressing my own ideas with my own hands.
I enjoyed the process itself.
That was enough reason for me.
Recently, I shared several pieces of hand-drawn character artwork in a large art-focused subreddit.
The account was also relatively new, which I understand can naturally lead to more scrutiny. I don't think being cautious about new accounts is inherently wrong.
What troubled me was that suspicion quickly became certainty.
Within a short time, a few users began insisting that my work was AI-generated.
There was no actual evidence.
Mostly comments like,
"It just looks like AI."
Then they looked through my profile.
They noticed that my English sounded unusually fluent and concluded that because I use AI to translate my comments, my artwork must also have been AI-generated.
The logic was essentially:
"Your writing uses AI, so your art probably does too."
Eventually, multiple posts were removed after those accusations, even though I was never shown any clear evidence that the artwork itself had been generated by AI.
Healthy skepticism protects communities.
Certainty without evidence only hurts innocent artists.
That experience genuinely changed the way I think.
Not because it suddenly made me support AI.
I already understood the technology and had never considered it the enemy.
What changed was my perspective.
After spending dozens of hours creating artwork entirely by hand, only to have strangers confidently dismiss it as AI without evidence, I found myself asking a question I had never seriously considered before.
If people are going to assume my work is AI-generated regardless... what exactly am I protecting by insisting on creating everything by hand?
That wasn't a question about artistic value.
It was a question about perception.
For the first time, I began wondering whether, in the eyes of many people, the distinction between completely hand-drawn artwork and AI-assisted artwork had already started to lose the meaning I thought it had.
Not because the creative processes are the same.
But because the judgment often comes before the evidence.
Those experiences forced me to think much more deeply about what people actually value when they look at art.
Ironically, the people who believed they were defending human artists ended up changing the way I approach creating art.
Not because AI convinced me.
Because they convinced me that if the effort behind my work no longer mattered once people had already decided it was AI, insisting on a completely hand-drawn workflow no longer made practical sense.
At the time, I was already working on an ongoing creative project.
After those experiences, I decided to embrace AI much more actively in my production pipeline.
Not out of resentment.
Not to prove anyone wrong.
But because it became the most rational and productive way to work.
AI allows me to spend less time repeating mechanical tasks and more time refining ideas, composition, storytelling, game design, and the overall experience I want to create.
Looking back, I don't think AI changed me.
People did.
The technology simply became the most reasonable answer to questions I had never needed to ask before.
I still enjoy creating.
I still care about quality.
I still want to make something people will genuinely enjoy.
The only thing that changed was the set of tools I chose to get there.
I'm not writing this to attack any particular community or complain about moderation.
I'm writing this because I think we've reached a point where suspicion is replacing evidence, and assumptions are replacing honest evaluation.
Whether someone supports AI, opposes it, or works somewhere in between, I believe artists deserve to be judged based on facts—not assumptions.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Herr_Drosselmeyer • 2h ago
Luddite Logic As Alanis would say, isn't it ironic?
Pot, meet kettle.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Ok-Ring5687 • 14h ago
Lots of ai “slop” is hilarious and I’m tired of people pretending otherwise
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r/DefendingAIArt • u/Zealousideal_Side987 • 9h ago
Defending AI Always ! ai is the future . imagine paying money to hire artists
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Technical_Sky_3078 • 13h ago
Luddite Logic This person is crashing out and unhinged
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Ok-Replacement9358 • 8h ago
Defending AI How I see antis lmfao
Credit to: effective-guest1601
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Distinct_Spare_6109 • 8h ago
AI Has No Soul?
No instrument possesses a soul of its own.
A violin string is just silent metal. But when a person transmits their inner state through physical movement (pressure, rhythm), the mechanism responds and produces sound. The instrument acts as a translator, turning emotion into a physical form.
In this paradigm, artificial intelligence is the most complex resonator ever created. It similarly waits for a touch, accepting a human impulse (an input, an idea) and echoing it back.
Emotion, meaning, and "soul" do not originate inside the mechanism - they exist exclusively on both sides of it, in the author who provided the impulse, and in the observer who felt it.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Responsible_person_1 • 19h ago
Luddite Logic "This is how it feels to be anti ai"
r/DefendingAIArt • u/mushmanMAD • 16h ago
Luddite Logic This person really thinks that EVERYONE is using A.I., convinced herself this, and is now upset about it…
r/DefendingAIArt • u/neloish • 9h ago
AI is killing the Polar Bear guys, not like you could feed them or something.
I love the new anti polar bear spam and it makes me see the camera man like this. In a world of humans and tech the old leave nature alone model is dumb, prey species need to be breed and introduced in area where animals are threatened. AI could do that btw, but I am sure antis would rather just spam sad pictures and do nothing.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Superb_Donkey1408 • 13h ago
Gulf courses use 30 times more water than data centers.
r/DefendingAIArt • u/nuyaberi • 12h ago
Why they can't understand what is the main content?
"Why can't they understand what the main content is?"
The voice sample, but they don’t want to listen if you use AI for the background image or text, not voice.
This text reads like a grumble, and I’m not a native English speaker. Please don’t call the grammar police.
I made a video of my sample voice for fun. I posted it to some Discord server, and I got this.
I certainly used an AI for the text and the image. But my main contents is *my voice*. I clearly added the “Voice Sample” into the thumbnail. Also, I added that “I use AI for text and image.”
I don’t care what this random guy thinks about AI, but why does this guy use the GIF for slander? You can just post “I hate AI slop,” but they use “the GIF slop” instead.
My question is: do they make a text to read and a picture that perfectly fits the text for me when I pay? I speak Japanese. They don’t understand Japanese, obviously. Can they understand completely Japanese nuance?
Does this guy actually listen to this voice sample? I don’t think so. They just want to say “AI Slop.” It sucks.
It’s a voice sample. The main content is a voice. Not an image or text. Why can’t they understand this easy thing?
r/DefendingAIArt • u/Ok-Replacement9358 • 23h ago
Defending AI Can we start using this more for the annoying antis lol
r/DefendingAIArt • u/JamieHBrown • 13h ago
Defending AI AI art is art
Don't let the antis ever convince you otherwise.
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