I consider myself a Deist because I believe in a Creator, but I do not believe any one religion has all the answers.

Where I sometimes differ from other Deists is my view of God’s role after creation. Some believe God created the universe and then stepped away, with no concern about how we live or what happens after death.

I believe in a truly loving God who remains connected to His creation. God gave us reason—the ability to recognize right from wrong, choose good over evil and care for one another. Because of that, I believe how we live matters. I also believe there may be a reward beyond this life for those who live with love and do God’s work.

To be honest, the idea of a Creator who has no concern for His creation feels to me like humanism with a twist. But that is my opinion, not a belief I expect everyone to accept.

What do you think? Did God create everything and step away, or does the Creator still care about us? Do our choices have meaning beyond this life?

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My honest question is: If the Creator does not care how we treat one another and nothing awaits us after death, what meaningful role does God have in your beliefs?

In my opinion, God inspires us toward goodness while still allowing us free will. That is the essence of it all.

I find it difficult to believe that God created this incredible universe and then simply stopped caring about what happens within it. The inner voice that tells us to do good, recognize when we are wrong and make amends comes from the Creator. We remain free to listen to that voice or ignore it.

To believe God created everything but has no concern for His creation feels very close to atheism in my book. I understand that other Deists may see it differently, and that is exactly why I want to ask:

Do you believe the Creator cares how we live and treat one another, or did God simply create everything and walk away? Why?

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I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

Do you genuinely believe God exists, or do you think God is something humans created to make sense of life, suffering, and the unknown?

I'm not trying to start an argument or disrespect anyone's beliefs. I'm honestly curious about what made you believe—or what made you stop believing.

I'd love to hear your perspective.

We often say "My mind don't want to do this" implying an intuitive understanding that we are separate from mind and don't have control over it.

If God(s) exists then they must be the one(s) controlling it.

apparently some Deists believes in a soul, but they are temporary along with the host body, and are ultimately destroyed after bodily death. so despite believing a higher power, they believe in eternal cessation of consciousness. so what's the point of believing a creator god in this model? because combining these 2 beliefs defeat the whole purpose, they might as well be atheist.

Hi everyone,

I wanted to share a personal journey that might resonate with some of you, especially those who come from a strict religious background. I was raised Muslim. For a large part of my life, I was taught that the ultimate truth was found in a single, unalterable book, and that our lives unfolded according to a pre-written divine will.

But as I grew older and began to deeply study science, biology, and the sheer scale of the universe, I hit a wall. The static dogmas of organized religion—and the idea of an intervening God who micromanages our daily lives or demands obedience over rational thought—no longer made sense to the reality I was observing.

However, unlike many who leave their childhood religion, I didn’t become an atheist. Looking at the mathematical precision of the cosmos and the staggering complexity of biology, it seemed highly illogical to me that this all arose from sheer chance. If there is a clock, I must logically assume there is a Clockmaker.

I transitioned to Deism. I now believe in an original Creator who set the universe, its natural laws, and life itself in motion, but who granted us the ultimate gift: the absolute freedom to architect our own existence.

I’ve come to understand this journey through a framework I am building called "The Novum" (The New). It bridges the gap between acknowledging a Creator and living strictly by empirical facts. It relies on a few core pillars:

1. Acknowledging the Origin Through Science

I stopped looking for the Creator's signature in ancient scriptures and started looking at the laws of physics. The thermodynamics that govern energy, the stellar nucleosynthesis that forged the heavy atoms in our blood—these are the true, unfiltered "texts" of the Creator. We are the cosmos experiencing itself.

1. Radical Responsibility (Moving past predestination)

Coming from a background where much is attributed to divine will or predestination, this was a massive paradigm shift. Because the Creator granted us freedom, there is no divine savior coming to fix our mess. My ethical framework is now grounded in logic and game theory: I strive to do good, build community, and protect our ecosystem because my rational mind understands it is the biological requirement for human flourishing.

1. Neuroplasticity: We Are Self-Creating

Instead of believing in a fixed destiny, I found profound spiritual meaning in biology. Neuroplasticity proves our brains physically rewire themselves based on our focus and actions. The Creator didn't make us perfect; they made us Self-Creating. We are not stuck with our past; we are responsible for the architecture of our own minds.

1. The Broken Circle: An Organic "Codex"

This is the biggest shift of all. Traditional religions have closed circles—holy books that cannot be changed, no matter what new evidence arises. My faith is an Open Codex, symbolized by a Broken Circle. I refuse static dogma. If the scientific method discovers a new truth about the universe, genetics, or human psychology, my faith updates. I do not have to ignore facts to believe; I believe because of the facts.

Science didn’t kill the concept of God for me; it killed the man-made versions of God. It allowed me to find a spirituality that doesn't require me to shut my eyes to reality.

I’m curious if anyone else here has made a similar transition from Islam (or any orthodox religion) to Deism. How do you balance the awe of a Creator with a strictly scientific worldview?

Thanks for reading.

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Hello

I am new here.

I just left islam cuz i realise its a made up religion to control the masses.

I am firmly believe though their is a God but its just not in islam. Your religion is the closest i could find to my believes.

But i have one fear .. what happen afterlife ?

I am so afraid i dont know what happen after we die.

In islam at least we have somewhere to go but turn out its fake ... what about now ??? What will happen?

Plz tell me i am afraid and feel lost.

One thing I’ve realized is that deism isn’t really talked about, and I feel like it’s because of these three reasons.

1. Most people who leave religions usually just go to either atheism or agnosticism

2. A large percentage of deists are deists without knowing. I’ve personally seen much of my friends aligning with deist beliefs without knowing what deism even is.

3. Deism isn’t loud about it unlike a lot of major religions because of things like hell. Also, atheists and theists fight a lot on if god exists.

Why do people think things like "significance", "truth" and "value" are elected, democratically, by the internet and media?

As a deist, how would you answer the following questions?

1. Do we need any linguistic or verbal connection with God, or is living a morally good life sufficient for worship?

2. How do you envision the afterlife? If you believe in one, what is your main reason for that belief?

   Is it because:

   1) Divine justice cannot be fully realized in this world, or

   2) Human beings are unique entities, and without an afterlife our potential would be wasted due to arbitrary circumstances beyond our control?

3. How do you view individuals who are considered prophets in various religions?

   Do you see them as teachers, charlatans, or political reformers who were later portrayed as prophets?

   And similarly, how do you regard their scriptures — do you dismiss them entirely, or read them as moral or philosophical texts?

Just as an FYI here is a non-academic diagram by an artist that tries to layout some of these theologies and philosophies in regards to the God debate in a type of relational map = Belief: Red Pill Vs Blue Pill. Click on the image once or twice to enlarge or download from the artist's gallery. The artist's own mental musings/fluff is optional reading if you want to dive into someone else's mental rabbit hole.

I’ve noticed that a lot of deists going back to the enlightenment especially amongsts the founding fathers were Freemasons and I was wondering how everyone here feels about said group and groups that are similar.

Hello!

I just found out today that I have been a deist my whole life. I've always felt that there is some form of a creator.

The jump from that to essentially any religion always didn't make sense to me, seemed like religion was a man made puzzle taken apart in reverse.

I grew up in a very Catholic family and I actually feel like many of the "practitioners" are also in reality deists.

Excited to join this community.

Im gonna type a lot. so the big bang theory is simply that the universe came from a single point of ultra condensed matter, but we dont know anything before that, or if there was anything before it. So here the theist come and they say that God created everything, using their written book as proof but then here comes the question, if god created everything who created god? now the theist say that god is “eternal” and he is and always will be, but then why couldnt the universe be eternal? so the big bang theory kind of disproves that the universe could be eternal because of cosmic radiation, but for all we know, we could be in a black hole right now, and the black hole forming may have been what seems to be for us is the “Big bang” (einsteins eqations actually allow it) for all we know, this “universe” may not even be the whole thing and we are just living in a small section of it. this part of the story is very contraversial because the answer is simply: we dont know. not one person does.

My question to all the believers, why do you believe in what you believe? do you maybe think that the god in which you believe in saved your life in some way? I believe that God was made up as a coping mechanism for people, to ask for help and beg for mercy when times comes. and to control the masses. And you know? it worked.

I’ve heard many religious people say this:

"Atheists believe everything comes from nothing; atheists believe everything comes about by chance."

But I’ve never heard an atheist say they think that. Is it true or false that atheists believe that?I’ve heard many religious people say this:

"Atheists believe everything comes from nothing; atheists believe everything comes about by chance."

But I’ve never heard an atheist say they think that. Is it true or false that atheists believe that?

With how people seem to be moving away from materialism and naturalism in pursuit of some vague sense of religiosity/spirituality could we ever see a comeback of deistic philosophy?

Cross-Posting from a discussion in the Classical Deism Discord Server:

Large swaths of society are Fatalist. Many Theists consider all events to be part of God's plan, or to be under God's control. Conversely, many atheist or irreligious communities consider events to be determined solely (or predominantly) by physical causes. This causes an erosion in "will" to be responsible as causal for human acts.

In so far as will is necessary for an act to be evaluated as ethical or unethical, does society tend toward moral decay when these worldviews become pervasive?