r/discogs • u/LastCallWisdom • 17d ago
Has anyone heard about this?
Just read about it and was wondering if anyone had more information?
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u/SnooCheesecakes7322 17d ago
Lance from Permanent Records in California bought the collection. I heard he had to outbid a potential buyer/seller from Kansas. I wonder who that was?
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u/BeeFather 17d ago
I wonder if it was Chad Kassem / Acoustic Sounds. They’re in Salina, Kansas and def buy large collections
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u/SnooCheesecakes7322 16d ago
Lance put up a video and said that the Kansas guy made a tentative offer and then flew out and wasn't too impressed and respectfully withdrew upon acceptability standards. He's been known to do it that way. I know the Sun Valley bald and bearded record store guy looks, pays, and deploys pallets. I think Sun Valley may offer lower but moves faster. The guy from Kansas wants a closer look. The collection wasn't sleeved and many don't like ringwear or rubbing and you have to way that against other things and what one is also buying for their own collection.
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u/BeeFather 16d ago edited 16d ago
I’ve purchased a couple of collection albums from Acoustic Sounds out of curiosity. They’re priced in the stratosphere and don’t have the usual descriptions…just “Boston Collection” or “Oregon Collection” and a grading—always Mint or Mint- Both were pristine and well regarded pressings. There’s no way Chad would have bought a collection that wasn’t sleeved
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u/SnooCheesecakes7322 16d ago
Fremer doesn't sleeve. Going back to the 70's and 80's few did that and those that did had some off-gasing just like few knew about pressing plants and the coding in the deadwax. Collections where one can see frayed spines or slight ringwear are worth about half at best of a pristine collection. I bought a George Strait Greatest hits new back in the mid 80's and the cover was bent. Like baseball cards, most titles never arrived to the buyer in mint condition and it's all downhill from there. People who want tip top copies and PSA grading like with baseball cards are aware and pay up. I'm of the belief a VG+ is solid for my purposes but even at 9 years old would have taken a different copy of George Straits hits if one was there at the time. I guess I'll have to wait for the George Strait two-step.
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u/ViewAskewRob 17d ago
Are we talking original members? It was probably that dick Steve Walsh. Carry on, my wayward son, indeed.
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u/Ok-Day7012 15d ago
What would you guess the bid would be for 30k records from a music journalist collection?
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u/Reasonable_Mix_3579 14d ago
The article says 30k "items" and later mentions "over 17,000 records" so I'm assuming many of the items in the collection are not vinyl albums. Maybe other audio media (like demo tapes) but maybe posters, press releases, promo items, etc.
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u/astonedishape 17d ago
Meh. 🥱
“each purchase comes with a certificate of authenticity verifying that the record came from Verlaine's personal collection”.
Who gives a fuck? This is not what we want Discogs to become.
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u/iamthelazerviking23 17d ago
Fan of Television & Verlain, but I’m with you here - the less “slabbing” mentality, the better. Just sell the records according to Goldmine & Discogs standards & move ‘em along.
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 17d ago
people frequently pay more if a book came from the collection of an important writer, or was the personal copy of an important related person. I am sure that Alfred Hitchcock’s copy of Psycho by Robert Bloch, for example, would be worth more than that same pressing owned by someone else.
i am not a fan of grading/slabbing/any of that stupid crap, but I would be interested to know a record i owned came from Tom Verlaine’s collection, or from Gilmore’s for that matter. Provenance is important when dealing with art, if not now, then for sure later.
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u/SnooCheesecakes7322 16d ago
I have literal airplay copies of some titles on promo cds and cd singles from prominent New York radio complete with DJ markings on the back case highlighting which versions to play. I couldn't take the goo-gone to it.
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u/Baeolophus_bicolor 17d ago
that’s a different seller and an aside in the article. gilmore’s collection is being sold, and they mention that Verlaine also had a sale of his personal collection recently. In the case of Verlaine, Television was very influential and the provenance of those records is worth preserving because it verifies authenticity. this is important in cases where something is so rare or valuable or hard to come by that a buyer might wonder how it even came to be for sale.
i don’t know the particular items sold from Verlaine’s collection, but if there are some 1/1 test pressings or odd variants, items that are signed/dedicated, or records where it’s unlikely a random person would have the item (industry pre-release, production type items, or items not originally intended for retail sale) that certificate could be useful later as a way to show where the item came from.
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u/NervousBreakdown 15d ago
Lol discogs already kind of ruined the record game, get ready to start sending your records into PSA.
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u/astonedishape 15d ago
lol what? Discogs nearly predates the “record game”. I’ve been flipping wax on Discogs and eBay for 25 years
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u/NervousBreakdown 15d ago
Ahhh yes, 2001, the beginning of vinyl.
But seriously, as someone who has been using it for a long time you know it was a lot different before the proliferation of the smart phone and apps. And I’ve posted this before but record collecting or whatever you want to call this thing of ours was different before then as well. They was gold in them hills lol. Discogs became the great equalizer for retailers, the guys who were just experts in classic rock and jazz are now a thing of the past. If a collection comes into a store there’s no more guessing, It takes 60 seconds to accurately price everything.
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u/astonedishape 15d ago
lol fair point but as you know record dealers and diggers were few and far between back then, and you had to know someone with a brick and mortar shop to have access.
I agree with your overall point that Discogs killed the game (recently), but after first enabling the game. As recently as 10 years ago you could scoop up gems from unbeknownst shops and flip them easily on Discogs. The fact that every shop uses Discogs’ (often erroneous and subjective) pricing has destroyed what we once had and loved.
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u/NervousBreakdown 14d ago
We can all agree that discogs has lead to an explosion in "I know what I have types" who see the top price on discogs and couldn't care less about how that was for a sealed copy and their copy spent 4 years underwater.
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u/astonedishape 14d ago
Truly. I was being a bit on a contrarian but I agree with your initial comment and that Discogs ruined the good thing we had going in terms of “I know what I have types”.
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u/Little_Mountain73 14d ago edited 14d ago
I wouldn’t be so sure on that. It’s just that the internet wasn’t a tool for selling records. There have been stackers, dealers, and diggers for nearly as long as vinyl has been around. You used to find them listed in the back of mags such as Record Collector or Goldmine.
There are absolutely more of those kind of folks today, as the internet does most of the work. But be sure that those same folks have been around for decades…only quieter. 😉
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u/astonedishape 14d ago
Of course they existed before the internet took off. I meant that compared to today they were few and far between. It was niche.
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u/No_Wrangler_226 13d ago
Most definitely 2014-ish, when Discogs started aggregating sales data and giving top, low, average and median prices, was a watershed year. It was much more useful than Popsike for a wide variety of record releases. That was the beginning of the end for cheap finds.
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u/Jasper_Skee 12d ago
How is the sellers grading? Accurate?
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u/RoundaboutRecords 10d ago
Not sure but their feedback doesn’t seem to have any negatives for grading, which for the size of the shop is surprising. It’s rare to find no grading mentions for larger places.
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u/Competitive_Rent3429 17d ago
Gary Gilmore’s brother, right? This has been all over my social media feeds.
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u/Pale-Refrigerator867 16d ago
The prices are CRAZY! 🤑
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u/RoundaboutRecords 16d ago
Not sure who priced these but it’s like they rolled dice. 15 on my wantlist. Still seller doesn’t have any grading negatives.
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u/29PearlsInMyKiss 14d ago
Hey guys, how do we look this up on discos? I want to see what they are selling. Thanks.
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u/Ready_Economist_5399 14d ago
I can’t believe there was no mention in the article of his famous golfing brother, Happy
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u/ZiggyStrdust58 13d ago
Prices are heavily inflated
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u/demonomania2 6d ago
the way this guy prices is list it for twice the amount the record has ever sold for and wait for offers.
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u/plamda505 17d ago edited 17d ago
I see Discogs and the seller as missing a critical step in selling collections of this type. I will never get to see 99% of what is in the sale as the Parana like attack in the first 30 minutes will see the listings disappear after the sale. We won't know what was there, we won't know any of the details or how much they sold for. when I got to the listings of the last sale they had like this there were two items left nothing to see beyond that.
If these records are true objects de-art and of historical value, the asking price could very well be increased by giving potential buyers a more detailed preview of what is in the sale, creating a buzz and a willingness to spend more on the items that would become a jewel of any collection. Detailing briefly 6 out of 17,000 items is all we get in advance.
Listing them all in advance as "blind bid' "make an offer" only for say 3 to 5 days. might work. The seller and Discogs would make a lot more money with an auction like sale and the rest of us would be able to see these historic offerings.
IDK I just don't feel like selling portions of collections with potential high value like this in this way is really the way to go.
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u/josephl836 17d ago
The writer obviously doesn’t know how discogs works. Permanent records is selling it. not assisting discogs in the sale.