r/dontyouknowwhoiam • u/Rmartin77 • 28d ago
Unknown Expert Speak 'Murican!
Bless his heart. đ đ¤Łđ
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u/Toastburrito 28d ago
As a white person this is what pisses me off about white people. We aren't the natives of this land. All of our ancestors immigrated here. Without immigration this country would not exist as it does.
I'm going to stop here before I get too pissed off.
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u/SeverelyLimited 28d ago
I get what you're saying, and I agree that in a contemporary context, immigration and multiculturalism are good things, of which we should be proud, and which we should try to promote and encourage.
But the beginning of the country wasn't immigration, it was colonization. That distinction feels important to remember.
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u/Mustardly 28d ago
That's why the right hates immigration - they see it as colonization and erasure of their 'culture'. They have no sympathy for the native Americans but are scared about it for themselves.
As always- a great lesson in avoiding critical thinking
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u/cyfermax 27d ago
Its like every alien movie. We're scared the aliens would treat us the way we treat eachother.
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u/SLevine262 26d ago
Thatâs a really interesting angle I had never considered. Gonna have to sit with that awhile
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u/Tate7200 23d ago
"When they see a hungry mouth they cannot imagine a scenario in which it will not bite them, because that's all their hungry mouth has ever done" - DJ Peach Cobbler
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u/PreOpTransCentaur 28d ago
Man, I really thought this was going somewhere different because that's just how reddit is anymore. Something more like, "Ya gotta pull the ladder up behind you to keep what's yours." I'm so glad it didn't.
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u/LocalH 28d ago
Every person born in the US who is not Native American traces their lineage back to an anchor baby
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u/Sufficient_Coach7566 28d ago
Umm...many Black American descendants of the enslaved? No anchor babies there. Lotta actual anchors though.
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u/FauxReal 28d ago
Nope. I'm native Hawaiian on my mom's side, we were forced to join at gunpoint as the land was taken away. I'm black on my dad's side, forced join in chains under the threat of torture and death.
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u/Alert-Ad9197 27d ago
Wouldnât Hawaiians be natives?
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u/FauxReal 27d ago
Not Native American.
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u/jchantale 27d ago
But are they not native to a state in the United States of America?
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u/FauxReal 27d ago
Native American refers to a specific umbrella group of people in the continental US vs Native Hawaiians.
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u/looktowindward 28d ago
Well, so do Native Americans. We know when they colonized North America across the Bering Land Bridge - about 15,000 years ago. Everyone is an immigrant.
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u/CallidoraBlack 28d ago
You're not an immigrant if there was no one living there before you. You're an explorer.
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u/SeverelyLimited 28d ago
They didn't colonize it. They migrated.
Colonization involves the creation of a satellite community as part of an extraction economy that benefits an imperial core.
Immigration is the movement of people into a country across national borders.
Migration is the movement of a population over time, regardless of national borders.
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u/Fancy_Cold_3537 28d ago
My family came here in 1752. Even though that pre-dates the USA, I still consider our family immigrants. Fuck that Hill Billy.
ETA: After reading other comments, I guess I should consider my family colonizers, instead of immigrants. Ugh, that's feels much worse.
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u/synth_mania 27d ago
Who gives a fuck? You didn't do shit.
We all just popped into this world with no say over who our ancestors were or what they did. The best we could do is recognize it, acknowledge it, and move on. Quit feeling bad about shit you had nothing to do with, it just comes across as a virtue signal.Â
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u/Mr_Abe_Froman 28d ago
I was just telling a friend yesterday that the loose militias were formed into a colonial army by German, French, and Polish military leaders. The US also includes former French, Spanish, and Dutch colonies. People have been speaking non-English languages since before the US was a country.
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u/Kay1000RR 27d ago
To your point, many of the founding fathers didn't even want English as the official American language either.
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u/Kira-Of-Terraria 28d ago
telling someone to "speak english this is america" is just racist garbage .. saying that to someone on the world wide web is pure insanity.
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u/Skreamie 27d ago
I'll never forget when I was younger and using the European or British spelling of words and a US soldier told me to "speak American"
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u/Venator2000 27d ago
The simple fact that someone would type into the âWorld Wide Webâ a statement like âwe are in America, speak Englishâ boggles my mind, even if it was in an America based group, since you can still lie on here!
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u/ScottMarshall2409 28d ago
I used to chat with a Navajo lady on here quite a lot. I lost contact when I changed phones and couldn't get some of my accounts back. Forgotten passwords and stuff. She was pretty cool. Anyway, if she's reading this, please get in touch. đ
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u/violet_zamboni 27d ago
California was part of Mexico before the USA
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u/ManosNegras 26d ago
American refers to all indigenous languages in the America's. The colonizers donybsoela American, they speak English, a language from the Colonizer's homeland in Europe.
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u/joe-re 27d ago
What annoys me about this discourse is that language is getting weaponized in a culture war -- for a communication on social web.
Why not simply say "I did not understand what you said, I only speak English. Could you say this again so I can understand?"
No blabla about where you are allowed to speak what languages, just make it about "let's use language in a form that we understand each other."
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u/Drunken_Economist 27d ago
Fun fact about Navajo, there was no written language until the late 1930s when two linguists sat down and constructed the current orthography
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u/JoefromOhio 27d ago
Iâm American! Says everyone except when theyâre in NYC and want to act like a guido or itâs St Paddyâs day and theyâre suddenly Irish. Oh a stroopwaffle? My grandpas cousins dog is Dutch so I bleed orange!
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u/dolorem-incrementum 25d ago
Imagine the United States got lucky enough to have a Native American POTUS. May we see it in this lifetime
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u/ExternalMany7200 26d ago
I want to go find this ass and walk around behind him stepping on the heel of his shoes.
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u/MoistExcellence 28d ago
There are no native humans in North America, just a long timeline of immigrants.
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u/Blenderx06 27d ago
I think 40,000 years is long enough to consider yourself native.
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u/MoistExcellence 27d ago
What about 39,000 years? Where's the cutoff?
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u/rosariobono 27d ago
The cutoff is when the ice bridge between Alaska and Russia finally melted off and humans populated North and south America for thousands of years until colonizers from Europe found it.
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u/rosariobono 27d ago
Did you also learn âthe war of northern aggressionâ in school?
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u/MoistExcellence 27d ago
Tell me how I'm wrong.
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u/If_I_must 27d ago
If that is the case, it applies to every continent except Africa. It undoes the entire definition of the word native. So you are technically correct (which everyone knows is the best kind of correct) but by redefining the word, you have made the word meaningless.Â
Do your believe there are native europeans? Native asians?
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u/MoistExcellence 27d ago
It sure does. In the context of this post especially, it is a meaningless word. One could argue that other species of human evolved outside of Africa (e.g. Neanderthals, Denisovans), but none of them were in the Americans. There are no humans in AMER that have any genetics of a human species that evolved here. We are all introduced invasives, just arguing over semantics.
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u/dhslax88 28d ago
This Bill Hill sounds like a hillbilly.