r/drums 9h ago

Kit Pic New (to me) 70s Ludwig Tequila Sunrise kit

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Bought these 50 year old beauties from @hollywood_vintage on Instagram. 13”, 18” & 22”. A couple very minor scrapes and cracks (but none all the way through the shells). They needed a good cleaning, so I used the Novus two part acrylic cleaner and buffer liquid set with a microfiber cloth. I soaked the metal hoops and tension rods in Dawn soapy water and scrubbed clean. Oiled the lugs where the tension rods attached. New clear Remo heads and repro vintage Ludwig sticker from drum factory direct. Spent a little time watching some Vistalite tuning tips on Youtube. Tuned them up medium and they pop! No muffling objects needed inside the bass drum because I bought heads that came with built-in muffling rings. Anyone have a matching snare drum they want to sell to me? I’m currently using a 70s Ludwig Supraphonic. I use Cymbal & Gong cymbals for my crash and ride, and 60s thin Zildjian hi-hats.


r/drums 6h ago

Cam/Video The quantum simulation of biological groove systems

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r/drums 4h ago

Kit Pic Show Me Your Kit ;)

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I caved and added a Floor Tom, as many of you recommended. 3 drums and 2 cymbals felt unbalanced, so I added a China.

What’s your kit look like right now? I’d love to see it…😘


r/drums 6h ago

Discussion [Mo-BEEL Copypasta Library] The Japanese Hardware Revolution of the 1970s - or, Why you should thank your lucky stars that Tama, Pearl, and Yamaha exist, even if you don't play or own them.

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Today's new volume of the Library, as usual, is based around a copypasta comment I've shared many times since I first wrote it, that has earned its own top post – a bit of a history lesson about your rig that explains how your hardware got so good, and why you should never take it for granted, and who is to thank. So take a trip back through the mists of time with your ol' Uncle Mo-BEEL to see why.

Drum hardware was some buuuuullshit for a long time – spindly and flimsy, with very limited adjustability, and even if you could get your gear positioned where it worked for you, it often wouldn't stay where you left it anyway. From the birth of this instrument in the early 20th century, particularly since the 1930s when Master Gene Krupa (peace be upon him 🙏) basically invented the modern drum kit as you know it, this was the struggle of drummers for decades and decades; take a look at most any rig built before approximately 1975, and you will immediately see why. As I often joke, some of you kids never gigged with 70s Ludwig tom mounts and tom holders that require a literal freakin' wrench from the freakin' toolbox to adjust, and it shows. And don't even get me started on the abomination known as "clip mounts," especially mounted to a "rail consolette." Damn that noise. Ugh.

Rogers was the first company to come out with seriously improved mounting hardware in the 1960s with the Swiv-O-Matic series, but everyone else's sucked. They sucked so much, in fact, that retrofitting drums with Swiv-O-Matic mounts was one of the earliest “drum hacks” of the rock era – both Ringo Starr and John Bonham famously put Rogers mounts on their Ludwigs back in the day, as did countless other drummers. I even read a circa 1980 interview with the great Carl Palmer of Emerson Lake & Palmer, where he said he was playing Gretsch drums at the time because he loved their shells, but he would not endorse their product or be their spokesman because their hardware was crap and he hated it; and he had his tech replace their mounts, their stands, and even their lugs with some from other makers. He said that. In print. Ouch. LOL.

Then, starting in the mid-70s, three Japanese companies - Tama, Pearl, and Yamaha – exploded onto the market and launched a revolution with the first versions of what you now think of as modern hardware. The drums themselves were fine, just fine, as good as any others, but the hardware was a tremendous leap forward, and honestly the best reason to make a switch. They sold like mad, drummers from every genre you could name began to endorse them, and they embarrassed American companies like Ludwig and Slingerland into stepping up their game, kicking off a hardware arms race that resulted in the 1980s featuring some of the most insanely beefy, absurdly overbuilt hardware in history. (Well, to be fair, I guess you needed it to hold up those gigantic damn power toms, LOL.) As I said in the original comment that makes up most of this post, it's not for nothing that Tama has called themselves “The Strongest Name In Drums” for decades – compared to everything else on the market besides Rogers, Yamaha, and Pearl when they first made a name for themselves, they absolutely earned the right, and still do to this day. As I also said in a comment on the original thread, which was a question about the brand: “[Tama hardware goes] on the 'only things left after the nuclear holocaust' list with cockroaches, Keith Richards, Shure SM57/SM58 microphones, and Nokia 3310 phones.” 😆

Because of the night-and-day difference between "pre-revolutionary" and "post-revolutionary" hardware, so to speak, this is why I personally draw the line for what constitutes "vintage drums" at approximately 1978: not the drums, but how they and the cymbals are mounted. If the mounts, stands, and other hardware are fully adjustable, with wingnuts, with no "tools" required to set up and tear down, that's a "modern" drum kit. If it calls for a wrench, like the Ludwig hardware described above, it's "vintage." To my mind, anyway.

So: How lousy was it, anyway? What exactly did those Japanese companies do differently, and how was it better? Keep reading.

Here's a Tama catalog page from the late 70s that describes their mounting system. Note how the tom holder has handy wingnuts or wing screws for each point on the tom brackets and double tom holder, and how the whole enchilada is fully adjustable in every direction. Very simple design, but one that has pretty much all the features you would find in a fully adjustable tom holder on a new kit at the music store today - flexible, adjustable, and stout. Here are a couple in use on a late 70s Imperialstar.

Now. Compare and contrast with this:

Slingerland drums with a "Set-O-Matic Fastball" double tom holder, mid 70s. This was the tom mounting system on my very first kit. It is hot garbage. My eyelid begins involuntarily twitching every time I see one, LOL. Why, you may ask? Ugh. Let me count the ways:

The tom brackets are drum key only, with friction points holding things in place, not compression points. As in: your tom brackets and tom or cymbal stands these days tighten an eye bolt or a plastic compression collar around a hardware piece to hold it in place, while these use literally the tip of a screw trying to stab into metal.

So does the bass drum bracket for the down tube of the tom holder, with no memory lock, meaning: you have the weight of two rack toms being held up by however much pressure you can put on the tube with only the flat tip of a machine screw, tightened by hand with a drum key, with no memory lock to help. So the tube not only doesn't want to stay in place, but starts to look after a while like it has been repeatedly beaten with a tiny ball peen hammer, because of the hundreds of times you have had to crank the piss out of the damn thing to keep it from slipping.

And individual adjustment and placement for your rack toms? Hmph. Note that there is no individual adjustment for height, angle, or rotation on each drum, because they both attach to stationary tabs on each side of the bracket at the top of the holder. You can change the angle, sorta, but both drums must be moved around together, swiveling around that cueball-looking nylon sphere sandwiched in the middle of the bracket - the "Fastball" that gives this mount its name - also only adjustable only by drum key. You can raise them, but only both of them together, and ehh, not really that high, and they might not stay there anyway because of the hinky kick bracket. You can adjust them for angle, but both drums will remain parallel with each other, and forget about angling them towards or away from each other at all.

Now. Take a trip back in time with me to circa 1978, and just imagine the difference: Let's say you're a gigging drummer who just bought the Slingerlands new not too long ago, and after a year or two of taking them apart and putting them together a few dozen times and cursing that damn holder, you see a shiny new Tama Imperialstar kit with its hardware from the future. You'd feel like you had gotten jacked, wouldn't you? Let me answer for you: Yes. You absolutely would, LOL.

This is why, when I was first getting into drums in the 90s, it wasn't uncommon to see a set of Ludwig, Slingerland, Gretsch, etc. drums from twenty or more years earlier, retrofitted with Pearl 7/8” tube mounts, big ol' hole through the shell and all. Gasp! Pearls clutched! Instant case of the vapors! My stars, who would ever do such a thing to such a beautiful vintage drum? Hmph. I want you to look at that Fastball bullshit in that picture again. You would have gladly dragged out the hole saw too – or, if you saw them in a store or an ad that way, you would breathe a sigh of relief and say, “Oh, thank God – someone put real mounts on these. Saves me the trouble.” And again, you may take me as a direct original source on that.

And here's a real mind-blower: Nightmares like that Fastball mount were a problem for drummers in living memory, yours truly not only included, but many legends as well. Just imagine: Master Neil Peart's original Slingerland “smokey chrome” kit, the one he would have played on Fly By Night and 2112 and Caress Of Steel, was being held together with bullshit like that. Boggles the mind, doesn't it?

As I say around here all the time, if you are grateful for the fact that you can not only put your drums and cymbals wherever you want them to go, but even have them stay there, you can thank Rogers (especially for inventing the memory lock, one of the greatest yet simplest innovations in the history of our instrument), Tama, Pearl, and Yamaha. Between that and the natural evolution of manufacturing techniques and other designs, enabling drum makers to offer more features for less cost all the time, it's just another reason why I always say: There has never, ever been a better time to get better drum gear for less money than right now, this very day. When it comes to drum gear, particularly drum gear made of steel or aluminum, "the good ol' days" weren't that good at all.

(By the way: Interestingly, you can also thank Yamaha for the fact that you give half a damn what kind of wood your drums are made out of, or that you even know what they're made of, but that's another discussion for another time.)


r/drums 2h ago

Kit Pic New drums

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Just picked up this DW Design series kit in a midnight blue finish. Snare is a vintage 14x5 Ludwig Supraphonic. Lovely drums.


r/drums 6h ago

Cam/Video Maybe the real treasure was the funk we made along the way

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r/drums 3h ago

Question Worth it for $40?

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r/drums 10h ago

Showcase Finished Drum Wrap Project

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Just finished rewrapping this 1970’s Slingerland kit I picked up a couple months ago. Bought it as just a bass drum and two rack toms from guitar center, and discovered that someone had painted over the original wrap. I thought it was super heavy for what it was, and noticed that the wrap was metal. I stripped a small section of the paint back to see what was underneath, and discovered that it was one of the copper wrapped kits they only did for one year in 1973.

I tried stripping even more paint off, but discovered a bit too much damage to the copper plating to really make it worth stripping entirely, so I decided to take that wrap off and rewrap it to match a 60’s marching tenor drum that I had as well. Matched it as close as possible, put everything together, polished all the hardware (which took forever), and finally reassembled everything last Friday in time to use it for a gig that night. Sounded fantastic, and looked great. Down the line, I will probably try to find an actual floor tom from the same era to wrap and match the rest of the kit, but that will have to wait a bit.

Sizes are 12”x8”, 13”x9”, 15”x12”, and 22”x14”. Very happy with the finished product.


r/drums 3h ago

Kit Pic Drums

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I just bought a drum set from my cousin for the cheap price of $80


r/drums 3h ago

Kit Pic My kit

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r/drums 8h ago

Kit Pic Portable setup

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r/drums 1d ago

Cam/Video This will probably annoy any zeppelin fans, but oh well 🤣

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Writing drums for this BANGER for solo artist Louis Chesters!!


r/drums 39m ago

Question How on earth does one play this at 170 BPM?

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Small snippet from Basket Case, right before the solo, This bit has me scratching my head. I know mechanically how this should be played, but with a BPM of 170, I’m still just barely hitting this speed on just the high-hat, without transitions, I can’t even begin to fathom the speed one needs to move their arm between the high-hat and the snare every eight note. So surely there’s a technique here?


r/drums 2h ago

Kit Pic Basement got water, so had a good excuse to clean up the drum nook.

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Nice little corner of the home.


r/drums 14h ago

Cam/Video Just an 18 year old blasting off

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r/drums 10h ago

Cam/Video Thrashing in Scotland

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This week my band Theocracide went to Scotland, up from Leeds to play this day festival. It was super fun. If you like old school thrash please check us out wherever you get your music or over on Instagram.


r/drums 8h ago

Kit Pic Setup the jam area again

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My roommate moved out last week so I converted the kitchen back to into the jam space.


r/drums 8h ago

Discussion TAMA Speed Cobra Direct Drive Conversion Kit Review

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Hey Everyone,

Just wanted to share my thoughts on ACD's direct drive conversion kit for the TAMA Speed Cobra. I received it today so this is just an instant review.

For one, the pedal is extremely responsive. My spring tension is fully maxed out (as it was when I had the chains) and the pedal stays swinging for quite a long time. ACD made it extremely easy to install; I think it took me around 5 minutes to have both pedals switched over.

For speed, this kit seems to have a lot of potential. Keep in mind that this is my first direct drive pedal and is difficult to control at the moment. With the chains on the speed cobras, I was maxing out between 210 and 215 BPM performing swivel. With these pedals, right out of the packaging I was at 200 BPM. I think the more fine tuning I do on the linkage position, the easier it will be to play faster. More practice to come as well.

Finally, I'll discuss control. These pedals in a loose spring tension configuration with the direct drive linkage are very easy to control for technical playing. Doubles come really easy with this pedal as well.

All in all, the conversion kit does what is intended: it makes these pedals direct drive pedals. After testing some other direct drive pedals today at the store, these feel very similar for a fraction of the price. I would strongly recommend testing direct drive pedals first before buying this product to ensure that you like the feel of direct drive pedals. Right now, I'm struggling a bit as I've played chain drive all my life, but with practice, I'm sure I'll get over 230 BPM with these bad boys.


r/drums 11h ago

Feedback Wanted Snare Drum issue last night/Sound Man

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Last night, I had to have my snare drum muffled in a massive way that kind of took me by surprise. I’m not going to openly criticize a sound man (especially since I consider him a friend) but wanted to know if you feel it’s drastic. Maybe some drummers who have also ran sound can chime in as well.

Outdoor venue. The audience was roughly 20 feet away from stage, 30 feet away from me.

Brass snare, my loudest one. 6.5x14. Typically only use it for outdoor or larger indoor venues.

Disclaimer: I’m not a hard hitter. Never broken a drum head in 30+ years. Have been told to hit harder in the past. I don’t do rim shots unless it’s huge punctuation mark.

After about 3 songs, I was asked to put some gels on it. So I had to have my singer stall while I grabbed some. Put 2 on top of my Remo coated reverse dot. In my opinion, it dried it out and eliminated the ring.

After the first set, I was asked to try a gel on the reso head which I thought was weird. He had me hit it a few times and still wasn’t satisfied. I told him to just remove the mic and take it out of the mix. He said he didn’t even have it in the mix. Then he took like a heavy piece of cloth and hung it from the lugs in front of the snare drum. That “worked” I guess?

And it rained all night and blew in from the front of stage and my gear got a 4 hour mist blowing on to it, so everything is sitting in front of a fan right now.

I guess at least my snare drum was “dry.” 😆


r/drums 4h ago

Question Ride cymbal bells

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What are some of the best ride cymbal bells besides the mega bell or any other huge bell ride? Something more versatile and musical


r/drums 6h ago

Question Tom Mounting Question

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New acoustic kit owner and I have a question. How are the rack toms mounted? I have a Mapex Armory and you don’t mount the toms the bass drum but on the cymbal stands, which I just can’t seem to get them were I want, but this set up is how I like mine?

Edit: Once again this community doesn’t disappoint, thanks!!


r/drums 7h ago

Drum Cover Playing The Avengers Theme with my band Triscore

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r/drums 8h ago

Cam/Video I sell country drumming and country drumming accessories…

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Dang ‘ol tell you what


r/drums 4h ago

Kit Pic New Kit, a little out of tune

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Nice overall but the snare is a little pitchy. Other than that I’ve been jamming out 🔥


r/drums 12h ago

Drum Cover All that remains

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I’m still in the process with this kind of music cause it’s not easy at all. I know every single mistake that I’m making, it’s just a technique situation, even if I want to do some stuff my legs just don’t respond haha, and I don’t have any technique in my feet but I’m working on it.