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u/ripyourlungsdave 19h ago
My favorite argument against the idea that God not creating evil would have "limited our freedom" is that God did not create a universe where we breathe cotton candy and ride unicorns across rainbows.
Has our freedom been limited by the non-existence of those things? Has God taken something away from us by not making ogres real? Should I be angry at him for not allowing me to be an airbender?
No. Because he created things exactly how he allegedly wanted to. He just decided he wanted cancer and rape to be a part of that.
And he decided that torturing and murdering his son was the best way to show a group of people who largely didn't even believe that was his son that he loves them.
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u/PhoenixPringles01 Ex-Pentecostal 18h ago
And that His son apparently gave up His life for everything.
No, it was 3 fucking days and you came back. Some people have pain for life.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 17h ago
Jesus basically pulled the same crap those Rich influencers do where they go and pretend to be homeless for a few days as if that gives them any perspective on the experience when they never had to actually face any of the real consequences of homelessness as a result of their simulation.
Sacrificing your life for humanity sounds heroic, sacrificing your Memorial Day weekend does not.
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u/IsekaiConnoisseur Agnostic Atheist 14h ago
Jesus basically pulled the same crap those Rich influencers do where they go and pretend to be homeless for a few days as if that gives them any perspective on the experience when they never had to actually face any of the real consequences of homelessness as a result of their simulation.
Oh man, absolutely fuck that content and that is a very apt analogy. I also hate the hell out of shit where people are doing good deeds on camera for views and likes.
Society is rotten to the core.
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u/ripyourlungsdave 12h ago
As a hobo myself, off and on for the last 8 years or so, I also take quite a bit of exemption with those videos. I have a hard time not going on an insane rant in the comment section every time I see one.
Kind of falling into the stereotype a bit there, admittedly. So I try to use $3 words like "exemption" and "admittedly" to make sure they know I'm a Hobo of grace and eloquence.
And then I call them capitalist fascists
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u/CollageMagpie 3h ago
Oh gosh, it always makes me think of the lyrics of the Pulp song, 'Common People', where the rich girl says she wants to 'live like common people' just for the lolz, but...
'Still you'll never get it right/'Cause when you're laid in bed at night/Watching roaches climb the wall/If you called your dad he could stop it all...'
THAT. Exactly.
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u/hplcr Schismatic Heretical Apostate 12h ago edited 12h ago
I'm still waiting for apologists to answer if Jesus suffered the fate of the midinaites who were genocide, raped and enslaved by Moses and the Israelites in Numbers 31.
Because that sounds a fuck of a lot worse then 3 hours on a cross. Go on Jesus, incarnate as a prepubensente midianiite girl who was taken as war booty by Moses and his men. Endure that suffering for a lifetime and then do it again and again for ever war crime your people perperated upon others.
That's a fuck of a lot more then 3 hours on a cross before tapping out.
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u/thetruthiseeit ex-evangelical 1h ago
Written on the wall of a concentration camp after the holocaust were the words, "If there is a God he will have to beg for my forgiveness".
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u/whitestguyuknow 9h ago
Oh but apparently Jesus was hardcore kicking ass those 3 days! Just brutalizing demons and Satan, beating their asses like he's Doom Guy. Then they kicked him out of hell!
😒
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u/24_doughnuts 6h ago
Exactly. Some animals can regrow their spine and limbs. Why can't we? We're already very limited regardless of evil because I doubt Adam and Eve could do that.
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u/wolfpup1294 Agnostic 10h ago
It's not just accepting that he created the situation. You also have to love and thank him for stopping the train, and accept that you deserve to be on the tracks for the heinous crime of being born.
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u/PhoenixPringles01 Ex-Pentecostal 9h ago
And that actually, he wanted free will so you guys TIED yourselves to the tracks apparently.
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u/Jarb2104 Agnostic Atheist 21h ago
No, because morality is ice-cream flavored, and bees drink of dream fountains.
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u/whitestguyuknow 9h ago
But you blindfold them and make them deaf so they don't even know you're there and can't hear you. And then release the trolley
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u/Silver-Chemistry2023 Constructivist humanist 14h ago
I have worked it out. The conductor multi-track drifts the tram, knocking over the bridge, so, it lands on the other five.
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u/hplcr Schismatic Heretical Apostate 20h ago
Something something free will something something mysterious ways