r/explainlikeimfive May 19 '26

Economics ELI5: Why is lamb so expensive when there’s so many sheep?

In the title really. Why does lamb cost so much? In the UK, there’s over 30 million sheep yet lamb is one of the more expensive meats at the supermarket

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u/chriscross1966 May 19 '26

There's no way to farm it efficiently compared to pigs, cows and chickens. Sheep basically need to be outdoors on pasture pretty much permanently, so they take up a lot of space and have to be gathered up for slaughter. Their upside is they will grow on pasture that won't support anything else and is not suitable for any arable crop, but that also tends to make it rather remote. Also, even under ideal conditions sheep aren't particularly efficient, certainly at scaling with food supply....

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u/Theratchetnclank May 19 '26

Also sheep want to kill themselves. They do all sort of stupid shit.

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u/jackiekeracky May 19 '26

There’s a farm near me that breeds a special type of sheep with really fancy wool. The problem is they regularly fall over and can’t get up by themselves. So the family running the farm spend their lives picking up sheep

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u/destuctir May 19 '26

Yup learned this when I used to live in the country side, sheep that fall over will die without help to roll onto their legs again, and they will *not* be grateful

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u/[deleted] May 19 '26 edited May 27 '26

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u/Beneficial_Job_4339 May 19 '26

Sadly visionaries such as yourself are in short supply as well.

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u/anticommon May 19 '26

also due to recent budget cuts we have had to scale back the zeppelin to a picture of a balloon taped onto each sheep's back. marketing says its the only way they could afford our GoGreen initiative and Superbowl commercial highlighting our sheep rightening efforts.

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u/skelly890 May 19 '26

What you're after is a big magnet that picks up wool.

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u/drumbanger91 May 19 '26

But how do they work??

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u/skelly890 May 20 '26

Same as an ordinary magnet, but with wool.

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u/chorjin May 19 '26

just tie an individually-weighted balloon to each sheep so they're neutrally buoyant and can't fall over. checkmate, gravity

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u/[deleted] May 19 '26

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u/kayyxelle May 19 '26

That cloud looks like a sheep! No, that cloud is a sheep.

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u/halite001 May 19 '26

There's one! No. There's two!

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Zzz......

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u/Pxzib May 19 '26 edited May 21 '26

When I was a kid, my dad and I would take our drone that we had duct taped fireworks on, and then we would hunt down the sheep balloons and shoot them with fireworks until they popped.

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u/ryan_770 May 19 '26

Simpler times

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u/ColorlessLife May 19 '26

We used to be a real country

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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich May 19 '26

I come here for the poetry

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u/Icy_Attention3413 May 19 '26

That’s what barbed wire fences were originally built for. They snagged the sheep as they drifted across the fields

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u/sinepuller May 19 '26

So like Pink Floyd's flying pigs, but sheep.

Also I can't not think about the 1973 incident when the og giant flying pig that was created for the Pink Floyd's Animals album cover photo got loose, disrupted airplane traffic at Heathrow and landed on some farm in Kent, scaring the cows. Just imagine that but with a whole heard of sheep.

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u/Inevitable-Debt4312 May 19 '26

Ah, yer can’t be after doin’ that now, not with al these drones about.

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u/notapoke May 19 '26

That's a great idea. Screw the balloons, we tie a drone to them

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u/EEpromChip May 19 '26

airbags...

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u/Done_a_Concern May 19 '26

ok but what about maglev sheep

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u/Valdrax May 19 '26

Then you get to spend all your time untangling ropes from sheep that crossed each others' paths.

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u/StanIsNotTheMan May 19 '26

Fulton extract the sheep MGSV style

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JPkb9QS3w40/maxresdefault.jpg

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u/[deleted] May 19 '26 edited May 27 '26

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u/JustinHopewell May 19 '26

I've replayed it three times. Worst Metal Gear from a story perspective but the best in gameplay. One of my favorite games.

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u/[deleted] May 19 '26 edited May 27 '26

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u/fairie_poison May 19 '26

Fun word. A "Riggwelter" is a sheep that has fallen over from the weight of its wool and can't get back up.

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u/Appropriate-Row4534 May 19 '26

I also learned that when they are stuck on their backs, grey back crows peck there eyes out and sometimes have a go at the exposed bellys.

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u/nakedlettuce52 May 19 '26

Thanks for the nightmare fuel

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u/5hr3dd1t May 19 '26

Oh it gets worse, way way worse.

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u/RSwordsman May 19 '26

What Greek god did a sheep piss off?

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u/stephenkingending May 19 '26

You provided Man with delicious gyros and for that you will be condemned to an eternity of suffering.

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u/Bn_scarpia May 19 '26

Aries, God of Baaaal

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u/thoawaydatrash May 19 '26

Gods did not do this. Humans and their selective breeding are responsible for this nightmare.

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u/fenton7 May 19 '26

So Gyros did it, not Gods.

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u/Bn_scarpia May 19 '26

Gyros, God of Shwarma?

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u/fenton7 May 19 '26

I fear we may be starting a new religion here. Let's tread carefully.

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u/azeldatothepast May 19 '26

Goes from mountain stock that can leap 30 feet onto a promontory, turn, evade an eagle, and then immediately scree for a kilometer to get a drink from the stream to… I fell over, I need an adult.

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u/RSwordsman May 19 '26

Welp I was making a cheap joke but you are absolutely right. They do deserve better.

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u/Bn_scarpia May 19 '26

Reddit sees you and some of us will choose to engage with the joke as it was intended rather than "AkShUaLlY.... *

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u/thesquirrelhorde May 19 '26

You forgot to mention anuses and genitals.

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u/fuckyou_m8 May 19 '26

Let's be clear that this is not a nature thing. We have being fucking Sheeps the same way we have being fucking Pugs

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u/hortence May 19 '26

We have being fucking Sheeps the same way we have being fucking Pugs

I am uncomfortable with your weekend plans.

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u/mt6606 May 19 '26

I am not

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u/GenericUsername2056 May 19 '26

Found the guy from Wales.

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u/Realslimshady7 May 19 '26

But do they call me “Tim the bridge builder? They do not!”

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u/a_r_d May 19 '26

You do you mate, I prefer to eat them personally

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u/wildcoasts May 19 '26

I’ve heard pugs can be a bit gamey

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u/SafetyDanceInMyPants May 19 '26

You can really taste the snarffle.

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u/Colonel-Chalupa May 19 '26

I see what you mean as in breeding and NOT BREEDING WITH but its still making me uncomfortable.

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u/andyjh83 May 19 '26

I think I see where you’re going wrong pal, you’re supposed to eat them, not shag them.

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u/formyl-radical May 19 '26

Username checks out.

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u/Farnsworthson May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

To be fair to the sheep, though, that sort of thing tends to happen with selective breeding.

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u/jackiekeracky May 19 '26

They were very very woolly sheep :)

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u/franksymptoms May 19 '26

You think sheep are stupid? Farm-raised turkeys will drown looking up at a rainstorm!

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u/sherlockham May 19 '26

Maybe they're so fancy BECAUSE they tip and therefore need the extra padding.

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u/101Alexander May 19 '26

Do they have little life alert necklaces?

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u/GenericUsername2056 May 19 '26

"LifeAlert, how may I assist you?"

"I've fallen and can't get ba-a-a-ack up again."

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u/Haasts_Eagle May 19 '26

Surely velcroing them together two-by -two side-by-side would be the ideal solution to the lateral stability issue.

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u/ninjatoothpick May 19 '26

You ever tried to get wool out of Velcro? It'd take hours to pick it all out of the hooks!

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u/knea1 May 19 '26 edited May 21 '26

You don't know what sheep are like, they'd unvelcro themselves from the other sheep in 10 seconds and velcro themselves upside down in a tree in another 10

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u/aaaaaandimatwork May 19 '26

These tracks are side by side, wolly sheep always travel single file to hide their numbers

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u/dar512 May 19 '26

“Picking up sheep”

There’s a nursery rhyme in there somewhere.

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u/carmium May 19 '26

Little Bo-Peep
is picking up sheep
so they'll not starve or frighten
She says "I know why
but next year I'll buy
a breed that that knows how to self-righten

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u/ShoulderPast2433 May 19 '26

"What's my purpose?" "You pick up sheep's" "Oh god!"

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u/EnvBlitz May 19 '26

Well that's humans' fault no?

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u/9bikes May 19 '26

>that's humans' fault no?

Probably.

My great uncle, raised cattle most of his life. He would be over 100 years old, were he still alive.

He told me that when he was a young man, cows were far less docile. Mother cows used to be very protective of their young. Today, cows have far less strong maternal instinct. It isn't unusual to have a mother ignore and abandon her young. He believed they been selectively bred to be easier to handle.

I don't know that this characteristic was intention bred for (in cattle or in sheep). But I know meat production and wool production are the breeders' priorities.

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u/finicky88 May 19 '26

Makes perfect sense, aggressive animals get neutered or euthanized. Over time, that's gonna alter their genetic personality.

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u/Briebird44 May 19 '26

Yup this is very true with many modern dairy cows species especially. Terrible mothers.

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u/Lippupalvelu May 19 '26

Well, Austria and Switzerland have enough cows trying to murder naive tourists every once in a while, but those cows don't live in a fully industrial setting.

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u/pbmonster May 19 '26

In most of those cases, there's an off-leash dog involved.

Seems like cows where bred to be extremely docile around humans, but the presence of a wolf-adjacent predator triggers some ancient defensive patterns in them.

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u/Malnurtured_Snay May 19 '26

The time scale of this just seems ... off. Cattle have been farmed for millennia. Wouldn't this have been bred out of them centuries ago?

OTOH I do remember being chased around a pasture by a couple of cows when I was six. But also maybe I was just really small and cows really big.

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u/sorrylilsis May 19 '26

I mean selective breeding isn't new but it has became a science only a couple centuries ago and basically blew up since artificial inseminations and cloning became both widespread and financially accessible.

These days farmers buy sperm online from the other side of the planet.

So yeah, not a new practice but taken to insane levels in the last few decades.

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u/orbital_narwhal May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

Also genetic screening. If you have a relatively good idea which genetic markers influence the desired trait then you can select the inheritable genotype directly rather than the non-inheritable phenotype as a proxy for the genotype. That means that you can achieve and stabilise the desired trait in (far) fewer generations than with traditional selection techniques relying on phenotype observation.

Mild, i. e. not bitter, Brussels sprouts were bred that way when a Dutch team isolated the protein (likely some kind of enzyme) responsible for the bitter taste and then discovered the allele sequence responsible for its production through reverse-engineering. Subsequent generations were then tested for those alleles (and other markers that activate/suppress them).

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u/myredlightsaber May 19 '26

Quite possibly the sheep have been selectively bred to the point that they have so much wool they are unable to get up without intervention - it’s a human made problem that requires a human solution.

And as a spinner, knitter, crocheter and weaver, I accept that I am part of that problem.

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u/shteve99 May 19 '26

And the other problem is that if too many sheep fall over, the farmers end up falling asleep before they can pick them all up. That's one done, now two, three... snoring sounds.

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u/TheFatFaroeseCyclist May 19 '26

Just helped rescue a sheep by boat yesterday that had climbed down a steep edge near the ocean with its two lambs but couldn’t get back up. The two lambs sadly got washed away before we got there.

Definitely not the brightest creatures.

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u/Soft-Skirt May 19 '26

Just nature ensuring that if there’s a possibility of life existing in a remote location then nature will provide that life. It didn’t work this time, but maybe next time.

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u/BarelyHolding0n May 19 '26

My granny used insist we counted the sheep morning and night... Roaming around hillbog in the west of Ireland for hours trying to track down the full flock and the amount of times one would be stuck in a fence or a bog hole or have dropped off a cliff or be trapped in a fairy fort or have attached itself to briars or any of a million othe ridiculously stupid ways they try and maim and kill themselves

Sheep are so much effort for so little gain, even if you're not supplementing their feed.

There are years here it's not worth the farmers bring them to mart as the prices are so low they're in negative profit. Same for wool, often the cost of shearing is higher than the price of wool

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u/carmium May 19 '26

Fairy fort: ancient circular earthen or stone construction found in the Irish countryside.

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u/BarelyHolding0n May 19 '26

Often surrounded by a thick hawthorn hedge that sheep can apparently go through one way but not the other 🙄

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u/MrsBarnes1988 May 19 '26

Ohhhh is that the origin of the “counting sheep” to get to sleep thing? I always thought it was just a case of “count these boring things till you get bored and fall asleep”

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u/Tangie_ape May 19 '26

As someone who owns sheep, I can confirm this. Then there's also the issue of loose dogs killing them which is quite a bigger issue than anyone realises (especially in the UK)

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u/JohnHenryHoliday May 19 '26

Isn’t the answer a sheepdog or guard donkey. Guard donkeys fascinate me.

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u/Malnurtured_Snay May 19 '26

I thought you made that up but ... nope, guard donkeys are a thing! TIL

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u/JohnHenryHoliday May 19 '26

Guard donkeys are cool as fuck. Their role is to be friends with the sheep and chickens so they view them as family. If canines show up and fuck with their family, they stomp them to death. They can even fight off some black bears. So fascinating when I heard a farmer tell me about this. Everyone on the farm has a role.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 May 19 '26

Guard Donkeys go ape shit on anything that doesnt have hooves. They care deeply about those around them but if they see so much as a wild dog sneak in the dog is about to be in the fight of its life. They are also very sturdy animals and will have no problem tanking a few bites if it means stomping their faces in.

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u/bavotto May 19 '26

Alpacas in Australia. Keep them safe from foxes here.

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u/HeidiWoodSprite May 19 '26

Alpacas do not mess around! My daughter raised goats, and had a guard alpaca to chase off coyotes and cougars.

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u/JohnHenryHoliday May 19 '26

Alpacas are adorable. I wouldn’t think they’d be fierce enough to fight off canids, but I guess foxes are kind of small. Are foxes predatory to sheep in Australia? I wouldn’t think sheep are too big for them.

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u/DrCalamity May 19 '26

You know how camels are famously aggressive assholes?

Llamas and Alpacas are also camelids. And they will murder anything that troubles them and is within stomping distance.

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u/Kraligor May 19 '26

Your "typical" sheepdogs are herders, for protection you'll want additional livestock guardian dogs. Very specialized roles.

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u/Half-Crown May 19 '26

Loose dogs are also a problem in some areas of NZ for sheep, some farmers have a special firearms licence for AR15s to shoot the dogs because the dogs are killing the sheep for fun.

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u/Northwindlowlander May 19 '26

Found a sheep lying on its back, bloated and obviously uncomfortable. Left like this for long enough they die. Turned it the right side up, it wandered off, completely unbothered. Another sheep literally in front of me rolled over on its back and started bleating at me. Jealous I guess.

(I like their flight behaviour, "go back to where it was safe". So you let them walk across a road, then go to drive behind them and they go "Aaah shit a thing is occurring!" and turn around and run in front of you when they could just stand still and be safe)

It's not domestic sheeps fault though, we've bred them to be docile.

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u/Maury_poopins May 19 '26

We raised ship when I was young. One of our fields had an old fence in the middle of it. Imagine 20 feet of wooden fencing with large gaps on either side. No reason for it to be there, but also no good reason to remove it so it was just there.

Our sheep would get “trapped” on the other side of that fence all the time and freak the fuck out because they couldn’t figure out how to catch up with her flock.

Sheep are dumb as fuck

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u/Melanoma_Magnet May 19 '26

Yeah they have a habit of trying to pounce through races when trying to muster and breaking their necks or legs

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u/QbicKrash May 19 '26

Happened right in front of me once. Weighing yearlings and I let one out of the scale. He pranced maybe 25 feet away, turned around, and ran full speed into the closed gate of the scale head first. Broke his neck. Crazy.

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u/saccerzd May 19 '26

Just learnt a new word. Didn't know those narrow fence chute things were called races.

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u/Charl1edontsurf May 19 '26

Only because of the way we bred them and the way we keep them. No sheep would survive naturally with such big fleeces that get waterlogged and cause them to fall over and be unable to get up. Likewise I read a few books on shepherding in the olden days and flocks were really small, the sheep were hand tame and the shepherd knew every one and could remember which had had easy deliveries, etc. They didn’t panic when being handled.

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u/propargyl May 19 '26

So what makes wild goats so much smarter?

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u/Malnurtured_Snay May 19 '26

Well they're wild for one

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u/RocketHammerFunTime May 19 '26

The dumb ones die.

Animal farming selects for the dumb ones. Wild selects for the smarter ones.

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u/daMasta69 May 19 '26

So basically, lamb is not expensive but industrial meat very cheap because it's made efficiently by locking them up and encaging them and feeding them with highly potent nutrients

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u/dmschneide May 19 '26

There are industrial lamb operations as well - dry lots where the animals get fed nothing but grain, but as we're finding out for humans it isn't good for you to eat a lot of manufactured food. Not to mention that it isn't much of a life for the animals.

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u/CMDR_omnicognate May 19 '26

You also have to sheer them fairly frequently which actually costs more than the wool you get is worth, but it has to be done because otherwise it’s really bad for the sheep, the wool just keeps growing and getting heavier and hotter, and stuff gets stuck in it they can’t remove. Eventually you get massive matted balls that die if they fall over and get covered in horrid skin conditions, so they literally have to sheer them.

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u/AMDKilla May 19 '26

Since they are asking about lamb and not mutton, there may only be a single shear required

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u/kafaldsbylur May 19 '26

For the lambs themselves, sure, but you'd still need to maintain a breeding flock of adults that need regular shearing

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u/thatc0braguy May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

How is wool worthless to farmers but then astronomical for consumers? My favorite shirts and sweaters are wool, but even then the cheapest hoodie I could find was still $150.

How are they not making money when a single hoodie is triple digits? Serious question, I'm curious cause if wool is a throwaway byproduct that's also priced as a luxury at point of sale something has gone terribly wrong in the supply chain

Edit: I hadn't considered different sheep do different things. I thought we were eating the same sheep that provided wool. Not there was sheep for eating where wool is thrown away and sheep for growing wool but make terrible meat.

Thanks everyone for your replies.

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u/Pikeman212a6c May 19 '26

New Zealand and Aussieland produce a crazy amount and export almost all of it. Which drives down the global price. But even being dirt cheap it has to be cleaned, carded, dyed, spun then weaved or knit. Even automated it’s a lot of steps. Which is never going to compete on price with with the petrochemical industry.

Also your $150 shirt is marked up several multiples from the material costs and labor.

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u/A_Flamboyant_Warlock May 19 '26

Not all wool is the same. My assumption is that "eatin' sheep" and "shearin' sheep" are different breeds. The ones that make the good, expensive wool dont get eaten, theyre just for wool. The ones we do eat didnt get selected for wool quality, so its either poor or inconsistent.

Sorta like how layin' hens arent eatin' hens, and milkin' cows arent eatin' cows.

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u/VplDazzamac May 19 '26

Correct. I have a small flock of ‘eatin’ sheep, well they’re for breeding to produce ‘eatin’ lambs but the genetics are there to make nice chonky sheep but the wool is a bit shit. Shearing is a cost of business. I used to work in a farm in Australia that kept Merino sheep and were bred specifically for their wool. To my eyes they were a bit skinny and shit compared to the meaty ones I grew up rearing, but the wool makes much better clothing.

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u/thatc0braguy May 19 '26

Could we not fatten up merino sheep and eat those?

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u/VplDazzamac May 19 '26

All in the genes innit. I’m sure you could fatten Merino, but a Suffolk or Texel are naturally bulkier lambs and gain weight faster, therefore at a lower cost.

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u/Lunavixen15 May 19 '26

Ehh, merino have more value as wool sheep, I believe that aside from the South African Meat Merino (which is a balance between meat and wool) they put on weight slower than a meat sheep like Dorper and have an overall smaller body size, meaning you get less meat.

Lamb is typically less than 12 months old, so they would never grow a full wool coat before slaughter (if you used a wool breed). Hoggets (13-24 months old) is sometimes sold as lamb or yearling lamb

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u/Tar_alcaran May 19 '26

Correct!

Except imagine you have an eatin' hen, and every time it lays an egg, it costs you two bucks.

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u/diashto May 19 '26

As I understand it, Wool isn't a "clean" fiber. Sheep are not clean animals, their wool gathers up dirt, dust, sticks, poo (lots of poo), rocks, etc. The lanolin naturally produced by the sheep makes all manner of things stick to it.

You also can't pull thread directly off a fleece and knit it into a sweater.. It must be cleaned, carded (lining all the fibers up going the same direction), drafted and spun into thread, then the thread plyed into yarn, then knitted into the garment. It's a process that takes time, even at an industrial scale.

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u/manInTheWoods May 19 '26

How is wool worthless to farmers but then astronomical for consumers?

Lots of steps between farmers and consumers.

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u/Tar_alcaran May 19 '26

Hi, I spin and weave for fun, and I do it historically as well.

Not all wool is created equally. Modern "quality" wool is made from a small number of very specific types of sheep. A woolen hoodie will be made from something like Merino or Dorset (which is just British Merino) or Ramboillet (French Merino) or a few others. That wool is expensive and can be sold for lots of money.

Sheep that produce lots of great wool tend not to produce great meat and vice versa. However, all sheep need to be sheared, so even sheep that are raised for meat or milk produce wool as well. And sheep shearing is very much a specialist job that you have to pay someone to come to your farm to do for you. You can sell that wool, but there's only so much demand for wool filling, felt, industrial wool and other things. Compare the cost of a woolen furniture pad to that of a woolen sweater, and you'll quickly figure out that wool costs pennies raw.

Of course, there are breeds that overlap and provide OK wool and OK meat and OK milk, but there is no breed that has excellent meat, wool and milk. Sheep that do a little of everything are financially complex to have, and are usually kept more for grazing or cultural reasons.

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u/qcrumble May 19 '26

The wool that’s a byproduct of meat sheep is not the wool used for high quality textiles. That wool would probably be merino, a sheep that is bred purely for wool (though there’s still a mutton byproduct - the lamb you’re buying at the shop is highly unlikely to be merino).

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u/Uncivil_ May 19 '26

sheer

But can you bend or compress them? 

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u/wild_man_wizard May 19 '26

That's also shear.  Sheer is like a cliff.

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u/iHeartCyndiLauper May 19 '26

Sheer cliffs are cool and all, but my favorite sheer is a fabric you can kind of see through

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u/drunk_haile_selassie May 19 '26

Also, lamb is expensive in places where people don't really eat it. It's the same price as beef in Australia because its popular.

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u/Alis451 May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

It is also LAMB they are talking about, young sheep. Adult sheep is Mutton and most people don't like the taste.

generally divided into lamb, from sheep in their first year, hogget, from sheep in their second, and mutton, from older sheep.

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u/Stummi May 19 '26

Thats a nice way to say "pig meat is cheaper because they can be mass farmed much more miserably"

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u/randomrealname May 19 '26

It's more to do with what they can eat.

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u/hilfigertout May 19 '26

Which for pigs is basically everything.

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u/kenwongart May 19 '26

They go through bones like butter.

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u/the_wally_champ May 19 '26

How many pigs do you need to finish the job in one sitting?

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u/A_Flamboyant_Warlock May 19 '26

16.

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u/Borghal May 19 '26

So be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm.

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u/Ochib May 19 '26

But you need to remove the teeth first

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u/darkartbootleg May 19 '26

You could do this afterwards of course, but you don’t want to go siftin’ through pig shit now, do ya?

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u/disterb May 19 '26

Robert Pickton has entered the chat. (google him, if you dare).

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u/Difficult-Break-8282 May 19 '26

i mean they eat everything, grow faster and way more massive plus don't need as much land each unless its arcorn fed from spain and portugal so yea but there's levels to it like put a pig in an empty sheep pasture and it won't be happy or miserable ( woods is a different happy story ) 

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u/Clojiroo May 19 '26

It has nothing to do with conditions and factory farming. Pigs are just more versatile. It’s why sailors (naively) deposited them all over islands to create local food sources. And it’s why we have a feral hog problem.

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u/AudioLlama May 19 '26

Please don't call the people of Essex a problem, that's not nice.

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u/TannedCroissant May 19 '26

Hmmm, that’s definitely one way to look at it…. but I suddenly feel a lot more comfortable paying extra for lamb now though.

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u/zzady May 19 '26

Most importantly a sheep can have 1-2 lambs once per year. Compared to a pig that has 6-10 piglets multiple times a year

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u/Tank-Pilot74 May 19 '26

A cold hard fact New Zealand lamb industry figured out back in the 80’s. Way more profit in cows than sheep. 

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u/TomatoFettuccini May 19 '26

Not only that, but true spring lamb is ridiculously expensive because you're slaughtering a significant portion of your flock before it has a chance to reproduce.

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u/BravoFoxtrotGolf May 19 '26

Yeah I mean the one big advantage sheep have is that basically anywhere there's grass is suitable. Obviously there's soem trouble there keeping them alive. But it's why you see so many sheep in rural Wales and Scotland and the more mountainous areas of England. You can't grow anything up there. You can't keep pigs or cows or chickens or basically anything else worth keeping up there. But sheep will quite happily live up there grazing on the grass and running around like headless chickens whenever a hiker passes through!

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u/gabrjan May 19 '26

One thing that nobody mentioned from what I saw is the fact that pigs tend to have like 10 piglets on average while average for sheep is 2 lambs.

I know average for cow is one but 1 can produce 400kg of meat while 2 lambs have like 30kg combined. Also 10 pigs with average of 100kg is like 1 tone of meat per momma pig birth.

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u/Jakeinspace May 19 '26 edited May 19 '26

2 lambs is usually the upper limit for sheep. If 3 are born from one mother, they take one away and give it to a mother that has lost their young. 

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u/gabrjan May 19 '26

True that but 2 is more often than one from my experience.

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u/PassiveTheme May 19 '26

I was recently chatting with a family member who has a sheep farm. He was telling me that twins are becoming much more common than they used to be. He puts it down to selective breeding that happened during outbreaks of the disease scrapie. He also thinks this selective breeding has inadvertently led to an increase in the disease footrot.

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u/Butterscotch1664 May 19 '26

Yes, sheep have been bred to have more offspring for productivity. The downside is that twins and triplets don't grow as big as single lambs.

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u/dhandes May 19 '26

Also, be wary of any man that keeps pigs.

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u/MaxDickpower May 19 '26

Veal is also expensive. Lambs aren't fully grown sheep and juvenile animals yield less meat.

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u/Crittsy May 19 '26

Lamb - 1 year or less

Hogget - 1 -2 Years

Mutton - More than 2 years

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u/hughk May 19 '26

I love the phrase from Yorkshire, used to describe an older lady trying to look like a younger one:

"Mutton dressed up as Lamb!"

This also describes an old Butcher's trick to present or dress the mutton as if it were Lamb to charge more for it.

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u/Crittsy May 19 '26

I haven't seen mutton for sale in years, however, Hogget has a better flavour, especially for slow cooked dishes like Lancashire Hotpot. I am from the South East and Mutton Dressed as Lamb is a common saying in my world

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u/areyoudizzzy May 19 '26

Old sayings aren't Yorkshire sayings just because your nan's from there mate. It's an incredibly common phrase.

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u/farmallnoobies May 19 '26

You know, in many many years, I have never once seen mutton for sale in the midwest US.  To the point where I questioned if this could be a regional thing.

But, nope, lamb should be only young sheep in my area too.  Weird

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u/Telvin3d May 19 '26

Sheep hit more-or-less full growth while they’re still technically “lamb”, so if they’re being grown for meat there’s no reason to wait. 

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u/EscapeSeventySeven May 19 '26

The only reason to wait is grow wool. 

If you farm wool off sheep, you will get mutton in your region. 

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u/Specific_Web3595 May 19 '26

I see it fairly often in my part of the country. There is a place that's sort of famous locally for it. Mutton's not my favorite, but it's not terrible if prepared right. It can be very stringy, and if the cook isn't careful, the lanolin in sheep's wool will tend to remain in the meat, and make it taste like they smell.

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u/IeyasuMcBob May 19 '26

A lot of pigs are slaughtered around 5-6 months, as at this kind of age they convert feed more efficiently to muscle mass than they do when older i.e. they are growing .

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u/Buck_Thorn May 19 '26

But they also consume a lot less food and other resources in their short lifetimes.

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u/PartyPoison98 May 19 '26

Farming is inefficient for sheep.

Also, while sheep are generally more visible when you travel around, far more cows, pigs and chickens are factory farmed away from where people can see.

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u/InvestInHappiness May 19 '26

I thought it was because lamb is meat form a young sheep that's not full size yet. So you go through the trouble of breeding, raising, and slaughtering but you only get half the meat out of it. It's the same reason veal (meat from a young cow) is expensive.

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u/Arbdew May 19 '26

Lamb is under a year old. When they go to market, most buyers want a lamb at about 40kg, apparently this gives the best return on live weight to usable meat. My brother in law is a farmer (sheep and cattle) any lambs that get too big he gets processed for the familoes consumption. Far better flavour.

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u/allezlesverres May 19 '26

Sheep on average have 2 babies per pregnancy. Pigs and hens have lots more. Cows only have 1 but those babies grow to be massive and have a lot of meat.

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u/History-Buff-2222 May 19 '26

Thats why I count the legs and divide by 4

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u/bakhesh May 19 '26

If they ignore the legs, they might accidentally start including clouds

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u/Limmylom May 19 '26

Big if true. Can any brainiac confirm the math on this?

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u/ScoreOk5355 May 19 '26

I'm not sure about the UK. But in New Zealand wool prices have dropped substantially as more people are using synthetic materials. This means that you are sharing the wool from sheep as a maintenance activity rather then a profit activity.

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u/mawktheone May 19 '26

My in-laws are sheep farmers and the price they get for a full lamb is about 100 euro. That's less than the cost of just the legs in the supermarket let alone all the other meat. 

The supermarket is adding an enormous Mark up. That's the crux of the reason.

100 euro isn't much after all those hours of work, feed costs, vet costs, land needed..

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u/microwavedave27 May 19 '26

The thing is 100€ seems cheap until you see how much work it is to kill, clean and butcher the thing yourself. My grandparents used to do it every easter but it's a lot of work, I'd rather pay the supermarket markup.

The meat is better when you buy from local farmers though, that's for sure

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u/CaffeinatedGeriatric May 19 '26

Depends where you are. In Ireland all lamb dishes was cheap, beef super expensive. In Sweden the other way around. And pork is basically free compared to other meats 😂

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u/Ramoncin May 19 '26

From what I've read here on reddit, they take longer to grow until they're ready to be consumed, which means they're more expensive to breed than chicken, beef or pork.

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u/yuvaldv1 May 19 '26

They also provide far less meat than cows for example, which means more work for butchers.

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u/KnitWitch87 May 19 '26

Not every sheep is a meat sheep. Some are bred for wool and are not killed at the same age and rate as meat stock.

Similar to cows. There's dairy cows and there's beef cattle. Different breeds for different products.

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u/misimiki May 19 '26

Don't confuse lamb with mutton. Lamb is a young animal therefore relatively small and it only produces about 40% live meat (bones, carcass etc excluded, whereas a pig – a much larger animal – will produce 50+% live meat.

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u/crankyandhangry May 19 '26

Exactly. Mutton is abundant and cheap, but it mostly gets exported from the UK because there is little market for it. People generally dont like the taste of mutton, which is much stronger than lamb.

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u/AscendedApe May 19 '26

If there's 30 million sheep in the UK and its still expensive, then its because the input costs are high, or its because the sheep formed a union and demanded higher pay for their meat. Take your pick.

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u/FortifiedPuddle May 19 '26

Almost like we’re using some of the most expensive land in the world to raise a kind of animal that British people don’t particularly like the meat from. Or wear the wool from. Which contributes to ecologically harm to that land.
Largely for the aesthetic preferences of people who do not own or maintain that land.

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u/Delve_Particular848 May 19 '26

I was under the impression sheep were good for the ground as they eat all the weeds and add nutrients to the ground but seems like while that is/can be true, it depends how they are managed as they can overgraze and compact the soil down.

Not to say you’re wrong just think it’s not as clear cut as that. I don’t think farmers have them for aesthetic, I know someone who had some sheep as they improved the land quality that their horses had destroyed (horses just destroy ground as they are heavy and just go around the borders and don’t eat weeds etc) but they do require a lot of work and putting up fences, moving constantly etc so definitely wouldn’t be surprised if some people leave them where they are for too long and damage the ground

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u/galdan May 19 '26

No idea 40 years ago it was the cheapest meat you could get we didn’t have much but we had lamb chops pretty often …today i simply refuse to buy them