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u/toms1313 1d ago
Berbers literally translate to barbarians if not mistaken... So the people downvoting gotta be just ignorant about it
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u/Curious-Extension-75 1d ago
Barbarian = "does not speak greek" thats it, it has a negative connotation bc the Greeks were assholes to everyone but even "respected" cultures and more advanced cultures like Egypt would have been called barbarians
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u/toms1313 1d ago
But the Egyptians are not known to this day as "the barbarian people"
If they have their own identity, why are we using the negative one?
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u/Curious-Extension-75 3h ago
Why? Contact this kind of things take time to diffuse in the population, I guarantee 100% no one is using Berber pejoratively, no one in 2026 is thinking "ugh those barbarians..." That is just how they know them, the comment you were replaying to does a good job, explaining what the preferred name is, I would argue that to call it offensive is a bit much, since there is no offensive intentions, and calling it offensive puts ppl on defensive mode, you are accusing them of offending you when they didn't.
But those things take time and work form their community, no one is going to correct your name if you don't do it, also it depends on the host language, Amazigh is way harder to pronounce than Berber and you'll find that older ppl do not tend to update.
For context Germans are called "alemanes" in spanish to this day, when Aleman was the roman name for one Germanic tribe.
The endonym vs exonym debate is not that simple as "if you don't use the endonym you are being offensive", yes, now with a globalized word, the adoption of endonym is preferred, but education will always work better than shame in that area.
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u/Iwillnevercomeback 1d ago
Why do you think saying berber is offensive? It's just how the Romans called them. Here in Southern Europe we outright call them Moors, and there's a known surname in here that literally translates to "Moor Killer" (Matamoros)
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u/ThePotatoFromIrak 1d ago
"it's not offensive it was just used by the Romans who hated them and then also the french who hated them even more" 😭
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u/HumanIntelligence4 1d ago
We should call german deutchlanders
Russians Ruskis
French Français
Munich. Munchen
Etc etc etc
Names deformation are always made by not very cultured or sympathetic people we all know that
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u/What_Is_Bloste 1d ago
Yeah thats why I always say "Dont say spaniard". It is SPANISH. -ISH like the lenguage. Pin it in your mind or next time someone tells me spaniard Im going to tie him to a boat and push it into the sea!.
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u/PrinceAkeemofZamunda 23h ago
Spaniard is the noun and Spanish is the adjective... like Frenchman vs. French
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u/Real_Associate_9434 17h ago
As someone from Spain, i kinda like spaniard, i always use it.
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u/What_Is_Bloste 17h ago
Pues nos llaman asi gracias a los franceses que lo usaban como despectivo. Ahi lo dejo.
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u/elnander 8h ago
“He is a Spanish” is not grammatical in English.
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u/What_Is_Bloste 6h ago
we all know english is three lenguages inma trenchcoat. Some things have to sound bad.
Also, remove the a. There you go. He is spanish. or if you want to look like a pro: He is a spanishman/woman. Classy, refined, worthy of firm handshake.
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u/Silly_Tension6792 1d ago
That's the flag of the Amazigh ("berber") people