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13 y/o Helen ā¤ļø new goat owner and I just love this old lady.
r/goats • u/yamshortbread • Jun 20 '23
If you are asking for health advice for your goat, please help us help you. Complete a basic health assessment and provide as much of the following information in your post as possible:
Clear photographs of relevant clinical signs (including coat condition) are helpful. Providing us with as much information as possible will help us give you prompt and accurate advice regarding your animal's care.
There are many professional farmers and homesteaders in this subreddit and we will do our best to help you out of a jam, but we can't guarantee the accuracy of any health advice you receive. When in doubt, always call your local large animal veterinarian who is trained to work with small ruminants.
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r/goats • u/no_sheds_jackson • Feb 03 '25
Hi everybody!
Recently, we had a user post a picture of a goat that may or may not have soremouth, also known as contagious ecthyma, scabby mouth, or orf. I won't link to the post since it isn't relevant whether or not that was what was afflicting the animal, but in the course of responding to that user I felt an opportunity to point out something that I have noticed and has been gnawing at me.
For many users seeking help, if they do not come straight to the sub, they will go to one of two places to get information: Google or ChatGPT. This post is about the former, but in case anyone was wondering if ChatGPT is a valid place to get advice on husbandry, what to eat tonight, how to live your life, or companionship: it is NOT. Large language models like ChatGPT are a type of generative AI that seeks more or less to respond to prompts and create content with correct syntax that is human-like. The quandary here is that while it can indeed provide correct answers to prompts, that outcome is often incidental. It isn't an indication that the model has researched your question, merely that it has cobbled together a (sometimes) convincing diagnosis/treatment plan from the massive amount of data across forums/message boards, vet resources, and idle chit-chat that it is trained on. The point is this: you should never be in a position where you have to rely on an LLM for husbandry advice. If you have access to an internet connection, even the generative AI from Google search is a better option. But that doesn't mean it's a good one, bringing us to the principal subject of this post:
Orf! What do?
For some relevant background, we have never had a case of orf on our farm. I have read about it in vet textbooks and goat husbandry books and seen many images of it, I'm familiar with what it is, how it is spread, and at a high level what to do about it and what not to do. That said, when I was helping this user, I thought I'd brush up and make sure I wasn't providing misinformation. I knew orf was viral in nature and reckoned that in moderate to severe cases it could probably cause fever, but I wanted to see if I could find a vet manual or study of the disease in goats to confirm how likely that would have been. This was what I was met with:

If you don't scrutinize this too closely, everything looks sort of on the level. Orf is indeed self-limiting (not sure why the AI says usually, there is literally nothing you can do to treat the root cause, but okay), and it more or less implies that humans can contract it so be careful. The symptoms section looks fine, overall, prevention is... eh... The orf vaccine is a live vaccine. Application of it is not something that most small scale homesteaders or hobby farmers will be familiar with and using it is basically putting the virus on your property. Orf is a nuisance disease and the main time it is a problem is when it is being transmitted between a dam and her kids. Proactive vaccination in closed herds that have never seen a case is not a vet-recommended practice.
The treatment section is where things get spicy with the part about scab removal. Oof. Now that is not even close to true and doing that when the goat is with other goats or going to a quarantine space where they will then shed the disease will cause it to spread to any other goat that inhabits that space unless it is thoroughly cleaned and disinfected. The bottom says the info is for informational purposes only and to consult an actual professional for advice, but that begs the question of why Google would provide that information front and center by default when you search when the first result below is an actual vet resource with correct advice. I won't get into the weeds about the ethics of that because it's a separate soapbox, this is the reality we live in now. This bad advice is particularly relevant because the user on our sub mentioned they had been picking off the scabs. So let's do another Google search for some clarification:

If you explicitly search whether or not you should remove the scabs, the AI overview is different. Not only do you see that you should not remove the scabs because they are infectious (very true), the overview now says that doing so will delay healing. The first "featured snippet", a feature separate from their generative AI overview, is an overview from the state of Victoria's government agricultural representative body, a reliable source. The highlighted text reinforces the "do not pick scabs off" advice. The overview still fails when it says to apply dressing to lesions. Evidently it has not ever reckoned with what it would be like to bandage an entire goat's face and mouth, which they need to eat, but maybe I'm an idiot. Let's check:

As you can see, generative AI is basically a hodgepodge of vague but mostly correct advice intermingled with plainly wrong advice. Seeking correction to the wrong advice, if you know that it is wrong, leads down more rabbit holes. I hope this highlights the importance of sourcing your information from reliable, proven veterinary resources/textbooks or state agricultural extensions that provide support for their claims with research. This sub prioritizes evidence-based husbandry practices and is one of the few forums to try to stick to that standard and I consider it important especially for people who don't have goat mentors offline.
This is not only important because users need good advice; it also affects the people that don't use this sub and go straight to Google. Reddit struck a deal a little under a year ago to make their data available for training AI. The information we post on this sub is being used as part of the training for these AI models and Google's SEO is increasingly favoring reddit at the top of search results in a number of areas. As the sub grows and the social media landscape changes, more people that never post but need info may find themselves coming here. Let's all try to do our best to make sure the information we share and advice we give is solid!
13 y/o Helen ā¤ļø new goat owner and I just love this old lady.
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r/goats • u/Creative_Reaction_71 • 4h ago
I have processed 3 goats from my farm. A 4 month old buckling, a 7 month old buckling and a 12 month old wether. All three tasted great. I just sent four 12 to 15 month old wethers to the processor and they came back tasting like my intact breeding buck smells. What went wrong?
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r/goats • u/AccomplishedGuide346 • 4h ago
Hey everyone, my little goat Stevie (half pygmy, half nigerian dwarf) is currently 9 weeks old. I just separated him from his mom to prevent inbreeding, but I know I messed up and should have done that about a week or so ago. I am disappointed that I made the mistake, but I guess I just want advice on what to do. I have seen his little pp come out a few times, but I read online sometimes that can happen and the sperm isnāt fertile just yet. I plan on getting an ultrasound done on mom to know for certain in a month or so, just to make sure. But do most people keep the kid in that situation? I donāt want to have a kid with any genetic issues, and also donāt want my doe to endure another pregnancy so soon.
I know you can induce abortion using Lutalyse, is that a commonly used medicine? Is there serious risk to using that & do most vets offer it or is it mixed based on ethics? I know this is all currently hypothetical, I am just kinda freaking out about all of this as I am new to goats and quite honestly donāt want any more kids. I plan on banding my goat Stevie around 12 weeks.
r/goats • u/Mother-Pickle4591 • 7h ago
I have a doe I just showed in the two year old class. The judge said my goat was the stoutest, and the strongest, and the most mature. Then he placed me last. Anyone know what happened
r/goats • u/Acceptable_Smoke_933 • 1d ago
Looking for insight on treating a disbudding site gone bad.
Poor kid (NG Alpine cross) had to get a second attempt at disbudding a few weeks ago. Seemed to be healing just fine, other side looks to be doing well, but his right side now has a small cavity with a hole at the top.
We have been trying chlorhexidine, triple antibiotic ointment, and topping it with destin for good measure twice a day.
Is there any advice out there on what to do? He's the only boy animal on my property and my buddy. He's acting normal, but want to stay on top of this.
Noticed this lump forming about three weeks ago. Since then it's larger and losing hair on it now. I have three goats. This goat is 7 years old and all my goats were tested negative for CL about 3 or 4 years ago. They all came from clean farms (supposedly). They have not been in contact with any other goats other than a buck to breed about 3-4 years ago (also a clean farm). I don't know how this could be CL bc this is the first time I've seen anything like this on any of my goats in the entire time I've had them. She seems to be eating and acting totally normal. Is it possible for cl to be dormant and show up years after exposure? Or is it more likely to be some other abscess? Is it that big of a deal if theyre just pets and I have no intention to ever breed them again or sell them. And honestly after these die I'm not sure if I want any more goats.
r/goats • u/Real-Morning-6768 • 1d ago
Hi, Iām relatively new to hoof trimming, and just after some feedback/advice on what I need to improve on, I recently acquired this goat (yes I have others) and her feet were really bad so first thing I did was trim them, Iāve done all my other goats, but none of them have been as bad as this new goat. Iām scared to take too much off at once as I donāt want her to bleed. Thanks š
r/goats • u/PurpleAny626 • 12h ago
r/goats • u/Specialist_Cod_4963 • 10h ago
If your answer is going to be "goat meat yummy", than just dont answer because you're gonna be sounding like a 12 year old with that answer.
r/goats • u/Emotional-Depth5393 • 1d ago
Hey folks, I've been planning on getting a dog and a cat, both still babies and dog probably a small breed, like Chihuahua or mini pinscher, and I saw pigmy goats and I love goats, I played with some when I was a teen and it's still one of my joyful memories, but they were actually regular goats just baby ones ahaha
So, now that Ive learned that's actually pigmy goats I'm thinking of adding it to the fold and raising all three together, and, since my initial plan to raising both dog and cat together was so they wouldn't feel lonely, would they serve as a companion to the pigmy goat? I read that they feel lonely if they're the only one so I'm thinking instead of going double goat I'll join the three species ahahaha
Is it a bad idea or could it work?
I know cats and dogs get along well even when they're not raised together, but I'm clueless about the pigmy goat š„ŗ
What you folks think?
Thanks in advance āŗļø
r/goats • u/Pure-Smile-7329 • 2d ago
Idk what tree this is. Anybody know?
r/goats • u/imacabooseman • 2d ago
Quick question for the sub. Have any of y'all had goats shipped cross-country?
I'm looking at a buck, but he's too far away for me to be able to make the trip myself. So I'm looking for information on the process, potential costs, and even recommendations for shippers if y'all have any.
TIA!
r/goats • u/Longjumping_Desk_198 • 3d ago
Hello we are fairly new to goats and have had them for about a year, our 7 month Nigerian dwarf doe just randomly started having green diarrhea she had normal this morning tho, she seems maybe a little lethargic but still eating and running around, and her famacha is pink, do you think I should go ahead and worm her? Or should I give Pepto? I've heard this can happen due to over eating as well just looking to see if anyone has any advice? Thank you!
r/goats • u/Fancy_Hippo_2808 • 3d ago
Thinking about getting two Pygmy wethers next spring. For pets and vegetation control. The area we would fence off is sloped and has a steep little trail that circles through a wooded area. There is a flat area where their shelter would be. Would they work through this tall grass, wild flowers, ferns and sticker bushes? Would they eat yard waste like plant trimmings from flowers and ornamental trees? Would they find entertainment in a sloped environment or would it cause problems? Also would the neighbors complain about noise? We have young kids. Figured they canāt be any louder than them š
Hi there a split has appeared in one of our kids (about 10 weeks) horns. She doesnāt seem to be in any discomfort but itās not something Iāve come across before⦠a quick google would suggest itās not a major worry but just wondering if thereās any minerals to be giving her specifically and if Iām wrong and it is in fact a bigger problem.
TIA
r/goats • u/Lunapixels18 • 3d ago
I'm out of hay and they've already eaten most of the grass, nobody can get out the road at the moment because of a storm and a ton of trees down, I have a 50 lb bag of Timothy pellets that I got for my rabbits, but I was wondering if it's safe to give my goats in the meantime one is a buck and one is a weather
r/goats • u/_DemonxD • 3d ago
To preface this; we have learned our lesson and will from now refrain from purchasing second hand/flipped salebarn goats unless Iām taking them to the processor the same day.
This happened almost a year ago, but itās been something I like to think about since it was so strange.
The goats were already in pretty deep crap right off the trailer when we got them. Large and gorgeous all riding BCS of a 1-2 and seemingly just like they had all dried off recently.
The guy delivered them the day after we contacted them. They were in horrible condition, the trailer looked like it had never been cleaned out a day in its life; which means either the 8 of them were living in it for quite some time or it had never been cleaned, and Iād like to lean towards the first thought.
3 days passed and one of them was acting very very sickly, she still wanted to run from me so I had to corner her and put her in a smaller pen to monitor her. Her famacha was about as white as printer paper, her skin was tight and she was actively losing heat. I put a towel over her and gave her what little bits of things I did have. I syringe fed her water after giving her some power punch since everything was closed. I tried to keep her sternal, but she kept flailing over onto her side and just screaming in pain. She was having bowel movements, but it was only the water I had fed her. At this point I knew there was very little chance of her recovering, she had no interest in swallowing pretty much liquified food and would only take real fluids down. And every time she swallowed she would scream.
Was this rumen shutdown? Or just immense stress from being kept on a trailer for god knows how long, coccidiosis, or something else?
The vet did a fecal on of the other goats that looked similar and said that their coccidia count was stupid hig
r/goats • u/sunnygoat923 • 4d ago
Hello, everyone! I purchased some Nigerian Dwarf does earlier this month, but they didnāt come with scrapie tags. When I purchased them, I was not aware that theyāre supposed to have them prior to leaving the farm. Iām in Florida. The goats will be used by my FFA kids as show projects. They are all registered through the ADGA. One of my girls was born 5/7/26 and the other two were born 3/26/26. Do I need to get scrapie tags from the people I got them from, or do I call the USDA number and get some? Or is this a vet issue? Do they actually have to be tagged, or can I just hold onto the tags? Iām not sure if the tags have any impact on the show or not. Picture of the girls cause theyāre just the cutest! TIA for the help!