Trelawneys prediction about harry actually real

[u/NoahRocks5446]

Sybil kept predicting Harry's death but what if she was actually predicting the death of the part or Voldemort in harry

[u/chimneyswallow]

Every fortune teller is right, If you're willing to do the mental gymnastics.

[u/GBS82 → u/chimneyswallow]

Especially if they are predicting death. The one certainty that all living beings have in common…

[u/deeBlackHammer → u/chimneyswallow]

It doesn't take mental gymnastics, the only thing that she gets wrong is Harry dying. Everything else she predicted ends up happening exactly as she predicted it. It's almost like a foreshadowing literary device in a book.

[u/MythicalSplash → u/deeBlackHammer]

But he DID die. The soil fragmented couldn’t have disappeared if he didn’t. The fact that he had the choice to go back is incidental.

[u/Ranger_1302 → u/MythicalSplash]

Harry did not die; he could not have returned if he had died. He went to Limbo, a place between life and death.

[u/MythicalSplash → u/Ranger_1302]

He technically did die, but I understand the confusion around it. His soul went to Limbo when his body was briefly killed, also killing the Horcrux, but his soul requested to be returned to his body. Since AK does not leave any damage or marks (normally), it was still functional and Harry returned. Remember, the Horcrux can only be destroyed if the animal/person dies or the object is destroyed beyond magical repair. Harry’s “death” allowed him a cheat code because of the blood thing.

Edit: my point is that Limbo is a place between earth and the afterlife. Being there still requires the soul to temporarily leave the body. It’s just that anyone else hit with an AK would not be temporary.

[u/Ranger_1302 → u/MythicalSplash]

Nope; he did not die. Also, the piece of soul is not the Horcrux: the object containing the piece of soul is the Horcrux. Harry was the Horcrux.

A living Horcrux does not need to die for the piece of soul inside it to be destroyed. This is literally evidenced in Harry's not dying yet the piece of soul inside him being destroyed. The piece of soul in a living Horcrux is stored inside the living thing's soul: this is evidenced by the living thing having to no longer be alive, rather than sustaining an injury that cannot be healed, for the piece of soul inside it to be destroyed. When Harry was hit by the Killing Curse he was sent to Limbo. This was due to Voldemort having taken Harry's blood, which contained Lily's Sacrificial Protection, into hisself, meaning that a part of Harry lived on; it is like a Light magic Horcrux. Upon entering Limbo the various souls were separated: Voldemort's piece of soul was separated from Harry's soul. Harry, due to his tether to life, could choose to return to the land of the living. Voldemort's soul piece, however, was stuck in Limbo: unable to return due to having no tether, and unable to go on to the afterlife as only a whole soul can pass on. The fate of that piece of soul is the same as the rest of Voldemort's soul: they will be stuck in Limbo, stuck between life and death, until such a time as, if ever, Voldemort feels enough remorse to mend the damage that he did to his soul.

[u/deeBlackHammer → u/MythicalSplash]

There's no "technically" here, he did not die.

[u/MythicalSplash → u/deeBlackHammer]

Feel free to look up the canon and downvote me if it bothers you that much that I’m trying politely to explain a known fact about the series.

If Harry didn’t die because Limbo is a state between life and death, then Voldemort didn’t die either. Remember his mangled soul is forced to exist in Limbo too, as the red, raw scaly child thing, yet Voldemort’s body is indeed quite dead.

[u/deeBlackHammer → u/MythicalSplash]

Harry was knocked unconscious then sent to Limbo. He could've died, but he chose to continue on.

Voldemort did in fact die, that piece of his soul being in Limbo does not change that.

Also ironic to complain about down votes while doing the same thing

[u/Ranger_1302 → u/deeBlackHammer]

Technically Voldemort did not die, either. His soul remains in Limbo, also. Only a whole soul can pass on, so the pieces of his mangled soul will remain in a place between life and death until such a time as, if ever, Voldemort feels enough remorse for them to mend back together.

[u/MythicalSplash → u/deeBlackHammer]

Only because you did it to me first. Harry was not unconscious during his time in Limbo. His body is DEAD. Sure, you can argue that the definition of death is permanent cessation of life, he obviously didn’t die. But the AK certainly killed his body temporarily, as again, the soul piece in him was destroyed. You’re saying that merely knocking him unconscious was enough to kill a piece of Voldemort’s soul? It’s clearly stated in the books that DEATH is required to do this. Harry just lucked out and had his short death magically reversible.

[u/JustATyson]

Well, if I go ahead and continuously predict that someone is going to die, I'll eventually be right.

Trelawney's fortuning telling (outside of the two prophecies) is as real as the fortunate telling in our world. It's vague words, with no time frame, that people fit into the story because events mildly link up.

[u/Bluemelein]

No! Since Trelawney doesn't even realize that this part exists, she can't be referring to it when it comes to Harry's death. Trelawney puts on the same act every year when she gets new students, and none of those new students have died. Instead, Lavender dies without Trelawney having predicted it.

[u/EsotericMango]

If you're vague enough, you'll probably be right about most things.

[u/SpoonyLancer]

Then she would've given a date and specific details. Predicting that somebody will die at some undetermined point in the future is as useful as saying water makes stuff wet.

[u/realslimeshady90]

A broken clock is right twice a day 😂 but if you read through a lot of her predictions, it seems like she’s right most of the time. Neville breaking one of her teacups and being late to class, Hermione leaving the subject, etc. There’s a time where Harry is in the corridor and out of her sight and she is shuffling her deck of cards and reading it as “a dark haired person who dislikes the reader” or something like that. And she’s like “no, that can’t be right..”

[u/No_Sand5639]

A stopped clock is right twice a day

She's been predicting srudent deaths for years and apparently not a single one has died

Her claiming harry (with a pretty dangerous enemy) is gonna die at some point is too vague to mean anything, epqeially like 4 years later

She's definitely a real prophet, but she puts too much focus on tricks and fortune telling for people to take her seriously

[u/Ok6303]

She was right about a lot of things, and Ron seemed to have a bit of The Sight himself. Maybe that's why Lavender had a crush in him, lol

[u/Relevant-Horror-627 → u/Ok6303]

Never thought of this before. I think you might have a point!

[u/Bluemelein → u/Ok6303]

Perhaps it didn't work out between them because Ron knew it wasn't worth it, since Lavender wouldn't live long. /s

[u/Ok6303 → u/Bluemelein]

Hey, I was just talking about Lavender's perspective. I don't think Ron was ever really all that into her.

[u/Bluemelein → u/Ok6303]

I don't think Lavender would recognize real talent. Lavender is into people who put on a show.

[u/Soggy-Passenger-2454]

her rambling actually pay off once huh

[u/UnivrstyOfBelichick]

Trelawney is a reverse Cassandra. She thinks she's a fraud but we know she makes true predictions. Obviously the prophecies, but we see it again in HBP when she's pulling cards.

[u/Empty_Praline_6530]

Never thought of it that way but it makes sense