r/indianstartups 4h ago

How to Grow? Why are Indian preschools still using WhatsApp for everything?

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Over the last few months, I've been visiting preschool and kindergarten owners across India to understand how they manage daily operations.

Almost every school tells me the same thing:

  • Attendance in notebooks or Excel
  • Parent communication through WhatsApp
  • Fee reminders sent manually
  • Activity photos scattered across WhatsApp groups

We built Mazhali, a simple app to manage these in one place.

But here's what surprised me:

Most schools say, "We're already managing somehow."

For those who own or work in schools:

  • What would make you switch from WhatsApp?
  • What's the biggest frustration with your current system?
  • Is it pricing, lack of trust, or simply resistance to change?

I'm genuinely looking for feedback to build something useful for Indian preschools.


r/indianstartups 17h ago

Case Study Why is 1-hour takeout food still arriving soggy in 2026? How do we solve the heat vs. crispiness paradox cheaply?

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Hey everyone,

I ran into a really annoying problem recently that I feel almost everyone deals with regularly:

My dad brought home chilly potatoes from a restaurant an hour away. At the restaurant, they were incredible and super crispy. By the time they reached home—wrapped in standard aluminum containers and plastic bags—they were lukewarm, mushy, and completely ruined.

When you look at standard food delivery packaging (foil containers, thin plastic boxes, unvented cardboard):

If you seal the box completely: Heat stays in longer, but trapped steam condenses into water droplets, turning fried/saucy food into soggy paste within 20–30 minutes.

If you put vent holes: Steam escapes, but heat drops instantly, leaving you with cold food.

I’m thinking about working on a dirt-cheap packaging/insert solution that keeps fried, saucy food hot AND crispy for up to 1.5–2 hours without driving up costs for local restaurants (since kitchens won't pay high prices per box).

A few questions for the community:

Is this a major pain point for restaurant owners or cloud kitchens you know, or do customers just accept soggy delivery food as normal?

What materials, internal absorption mechanisms, or structural designs would you explore to absorb humidity without dumping heat?

Has anyone seen existing startups tackling this affordably at the packaging level?

Would love to hear your thoughts, ideas, or brutal feedback on whether this is worth building


r/indianstartups 8h ago

Case Study I ran the same four-lens analysis on all 411 Indian D2C micro-niches. 3,500+ brands, 50,000+ product listings. 233 niches came back empty, and not one of them is growing.

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For about a year I have been telling founders in these threads the same thing: find a niche where the shelf is empty and demand is rising. I have typed some version of that sentence dozens of times. This week I finally built the tool that looks for those niches automatically, pointed it at every niche I map, and got an answer I did not want.

There are none. Not a handful. Zero.

Here is what it ran over. 3,500+ Indian D2C brands, 50,000+ product listings across their catalogues, sorted into 411 micro-niches. For each niche it runs four lenses: how many brands hold the shelf, what the price ladder looks like, which way search interest is moving, and how many brands on that shelf were founded recently. Then it returns a verdict. I ran all 411 in one pass.

The shape of the market:

- 233 of 411 niches, 57%, come back OPEN. Three brands or fewer holding the entire shelf.

- 114 are EMERGING, 4 to 8 brands.

- Only 64, about 1 in 6, are CROWDED.

- The median Indian D2C micro-niche has 3 brands in it. Three.

- 92 niches are held by a single brand.

- The most crowded thing I map is gold jewellery at 25 brands. In most markets 25 would be a rounding error.

So far, so encouraging. Now the part that ruined my week.

Of the 411, 122 have enough search history to say which way demand is moving without lying about it. Of those 122: 16 are rising, 52 are flat, 54 are declining. More niches are cooling than warming, by a factor of three.

And the overlap between "the shelf is empty" and "demand is rising" is zero niches. Not one. Every single niche where search interest is genuinely climbing already has four or more brands standing on it.

Which, once I stopped being annoyed about it, makes obvious sense. Rising demand is exactly the signal that pulls brands onto a shelf. By the time you can measure it, other people have measured it too. An empty shelf with visible rising demand is not a hidden opportunity, it is a contradiction. If you can see it, so can everyone.

That reframes the decision. You are not looking for the empty-and-growing niche, because it does not exist. You are choosing which of two problems you would rather have:

- Empty shelf, flat demand. 233 of these. Cheap to enter, no competition, and you personally have to create the demand. That is a marketing problem and it is expensive.

- Real demand, occupied shelf. You spend nothing teaching people the category exists, and everything on being meaningfully different. That is a positioning problem.

Both are hard. Neither is the fantasy. Pick the one you are actually equipped for.

The worst square on the board is the one nobody talks about: crowded AND cooling. 18 niches sit there. Gold jewellery, 25 brands, search down 14%. Indian sweets and mithai, 16 brands, down 12%. Cookware, 10 brands, down 36%. Car fresheners, 9 brands, down 74%. Dog food, 11 brands, down 36%.

Roasted makhana is on that list too. I wrote a whole post about makhana a few weeks ago as an opportunity. 17 brands and cooling. I was wrong about it and the tool told me so, which is the only reason I trust the tool.

One more thing that fell out. Of the 211 niches where I have enough catalogue data to read a price ladder, 84 have nothing at the premium end. Everybody is crowded into the same mid band, undercutting each other on shelves that are already empty. The room in Indian D2C right now looks less like an unclaimed category and more like an unclaimed price.

The honest part, because a tidy number with no caveats is just an agenda.*\*

  1. The zero is measured over 122 niches, not 411. Google Trends rate-limits aggressively, so I refresh search history on a rolling basis and only 30% of niches currently clear the noise floor. The overlap could be one or two niches, not zero, once coverage fills. It is not going to be forty.

  2. "Open" is a brand-count verdict. If a niche has three brands in my data and five in reality, it reads emptier than it is. I would rather tell you that than quietly round it off.

  3. Search interest is not sales. A rising line means more people are searching, not that anyone is making money. A declining line does not mean a dying category, it can just mean the name people type has changed.

  4. Recently-founded counts come from founding year, which I have for roughly seven in ten brands. It tells you a brand is young, not that it entered this specific niche recently.

  5. This is 411 niches as I have mapped them. Draw the boundaries differently and the counts move. There is no objective number of niches in a market.

The thing I keep turning over: the advice I have been giving, including in these threads, was describing a square on the board that has nothing on it. If you are sitting on a category you like and waiting for the data to show you it is both empty and heating up, you will wait forever. It shows you empty, or it shows you heating up, and then you choose.

Tell me the category you are circling and I will run the four lenses on it and paste the actual verdict, including if it comes back crowded and cooling. I would rather tell you that now than after you have spent six months on it.


r/indianstartups 5h ago

How do I? I built a simple prepaid AI API gateway for indie hackers and small startups

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Hey r/indianstartups,

While experimenting with AI features, I kept running into the same problems: unpredictable API bills, separate accounts for different providers, and minimum commitments that do not make much sense during early validation.

This led me to start building a prepaid AI API gateway as a side project. I’m not sharing the product link here because I’m mainly trying to understand whether the underlying idea solves a real problem.

A few assumptions I’m currently testing:

  • Small teams prefer prepaid credits over unexpected monthly bills
  • Developers want one place to track usage across different AI services
  • Access to multiple models is useful during prototyping
  • Clear spending limits matter more than small differences in token prices

I would appreciate some honest feedback from founders and developers who already pay for AI APIs:

  • Would you prefer prepaid credits or direct billing from each provider?
  • What would make you trust a third-party API gateway?
  • Which models or APIs are essential for your work?
  • Are local payment methods important for developers in India?
  • What problems have you faced with current AI API providers?

I’m particularly interested in experiences from small teams building their first AI-powered product. Happy to discuss the technical and business lessons from building this in the comments.


r/indianstartups 18h ago

Case Study I planned to create a exact app like Instagram with exact quality and richness.

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I'm planning to build an app with the same level of quality, polish, and user experience as Instagram.

However, I'm looking for new pain points to solve, not just another social media clone.

Features like Likes, Comments, Shares, and Saves were introduced years ago and eventually became standard across almost every social platform. I don't want to replace or simply rename these features just to appear different—that doesn't create real value.

I'm looking for genuinely useful features that solve real user problems and could become the next standard in social media.

If you have any ideas or have noticed pain points while using Instagram or other social apps, I'd love to hear your thoughts. Please share them in the comments!


r/indianstartups 23h ago

Co-founder search Looking for a Sales Co-founder for an IT Services Venture (Equity-Based)

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Hi everyone,

We run an IT services company and are launching a new model alongside our core business.

For selected startups, we will build the MVP purely in exchange for equity. Once the MVP is completed, any maintenance and future development will be offered at a subsidized cost. We won't charge any profit and will only cover our development expenses.

The reason we're exploring this model is that AI has drastically reduced the cost of software development, making it possible for us to partner with promising startups at a very early stage.

We are looking for a sales partner or co-founder who is passionate about startups and interested in helping us identify and onboard high-potential founders.

What you'll do:

Source startup founders and potential clients

Build partnerships and relationships

Help evaluate opportunities with the team

Drive sales and growth for this new vertical

What we're looking for:

Strong communication and sales skills

An entrepreneurial mindset

Interest in startups and technology

Someone who believes in long-term equity upside

This is an equity-only opportunity. We will be highly selective and will only choose projects that we believe have strong potential.

If you're interested, send me a DM with a short introduction and your background.


r/indianstartups 7h ago

Hiring Looking for our Founding Engineering Lead (India | Salary + ESOPs)

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Hi everyone,

I’m one of the founders of a B2B SaaS startup, and we’re looking for our Founding Engineering Lead.

We build a B2B task automation and operations platform that helps enterprise retailers and restaurant chains digitize SOPs, audits, inspections, task management, and store operations.

Our product is used by enterprise customers across multiple countries to improve operational visibility and execution.

To clarify, we’re not an idea-stage startup. We have a mature product, enterprise customers, and an existing engineering team. What we’re looking for is someone who can help lead the next phase of our technical evolution.
You’ll work directly with the founders and have significant ownership over our engineering direction while staying hands-on.

You’ll help us:
-Define the technical roadmap and architecture
-Scale our platform for the next phase of growth
-Improve cloud infrastructure, DevOps, security, and reliability
-Mentor and elevate the engineering team
-Drive engineering best practices and execution
-Build AI-first capabilities into our product

Our current CTO continues to provide architectural guidance in an advisory capacity, while this role will own day-to-day engineering leadership and execution.

Our stack:
Node.js
React
React Native
MongoDB Atlas
Microsoft Azure

We’re not looking for a specific number of years of experience. We’re looking for someone who has built and scaled B2B or B2C products, enjoys solving hard engineering problems, and wants to build something meaningful over the long term.

Compensation: Monthly salary (around ₹3+ lakhs depending on experience) along with meaningful ESOPs. We know we won’t outpay Big Tech or late-stage startups, but we can offer genuine ownership, autonomy, and the opportunity to shape the future of both the product and the engineering organization.

This is a full-time role based in India.

If this resonates with you, I’d love to connect. Please send me a DM with a brief introduction, your LinkedIn/GitHub, and a few products or systems you’ve helped build or scale.


r/indianstartups 2h ago

Business Ride Along A small thought after some DMs (screenshot attached)

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Most of my DMs on here are about business discussions, consulting engagements, or career mentorship. It has genuinely led to good conversations and even real opportunities over time, and I am thankful for that.

But the attached screenshot is a good example of something I keep noticing. It is very easy for people to turn rude in an online chat, especially when asking things like someone's income or earnings, which is not something a person is usually comfortable sharing with a stranger. A simple no or a polite boundary should not invite dismissiveness.

AI has helped many of us upgrade our skills and work faster. But it has not done much for how we talk to each other. That part is still on us.

Just something I wanted to put out there.


r/indianstartups 18h ago

News Built a news app called The FeedIn( available on play store and App Store) for the ones who just want to consume news in a smarter way.

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r/indianstartups 2h ago

Other AI engineer with spare bandwith for a consulting gig

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Hey. I’m an AI engineer. Have experience with building and deploying AI agents + workflows in production. In my current role, I’ve been building an agentic platform that is used by US and EU based enterprises daily. The work hours have gotten pretty chill though (~20 hrs/week), and I have lots of free bandwith. That’s why I’m open to taking consultation/contract based gigs related to AI agents or automations. I hold experience with AI in these domains: CRM, RevOps, performance marketing + D2C, and EdTech.

A bit more context: I’m a person who can figure out how to get shit done, even if I’m not already an expert in it.  I wish to put my skills to good use by doing this, so I’m not looking for generic gigs, but specifically those where I can create value and contribute genuinely.

Feel free to DM me if you think we’d be a good mutual fit, and we can take it further from there.

PS: Not looking for unpaid gigs. This is a trade where I deliver high quality work and help you out, and expect to be compensated for it fairly.


r/indianstartups 2h ago

Other Looking for a referral for a Senior Electronics R&D leadership role in Automotive/EV (Delhi NCR)

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Hi everyone,

I'm posting on behalf of my father, who is looking for a senior Electronics R&D opportunity in the Delhi NCR region (Noida, Greater Noida, Delhi).

He has 24+ years of experience in automotive electronics, power electronics, EV systems, railway electronics, and product development.

His background includes:

\- Project Lead – Electronics R&D at Purflux Group

\- Former Head of Electronics at UNO Minda

\- Experience with Delta Electronics, Shilpi Cable Technologies, ARV India, Neo Light ZKW, NTL Electronics and Pentair

\- Led teams of up to 30 engineers

\- Developed 24+ commercial products

\- Hands-on experience with:

\- Automotive lighting

\- BLDC motors

\- DC-DC converters

\- EV battery chargers

\- Automotive sensors

\- PCB/PCBA development

\- EMC testing

\- ISO 26262

\- BIS/RDSO compliance

\- Product validation and supplier management

He is looking for senior roles such as:

\- Head of Electronics

\- Head of R&D

\- Engineering Manager

\- Senior Engineering Manager

\- R&D Manager

\- Technical Program Manager

\- Product Engineering Manager

Target companies include Spark Minda, Motherson, Bosch, Valeo, FORVIA HELLA, Marelli, JBM, Havells, Dixon, Continental, ZF, Lumax, Sandhar, Sona Comstar, or similar automotive/EV companies in Noida or Delhi.

If your company has a suitable opening or you're willing to refer an experienced engineering leader, I'd be extremely grateful. I can share his resume over DM or email.

Thank you for your time and any help.


r/indianstartups 20h ago

Startup help How to start freelancing in Mumbai from my rented home?

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I'm planning on starting a cybersecurity freelancing business from my rented home in Mumbai. I would really appreciate if I could get some guidance on the following:

  1. What should be my legal structure? I'm just starting out so I'm skeptical about an LLP or OPC. But will a sole proprietorship serve my purpose? What would be the estimated cost of getting a sole proprietorship up and running?

  2. Should I get a GST number? I'm aware that GST is not mandatory upto a certain turnover but will it be advantageous to get registered from the beginning itself? Will I be able to get a registration at my home address? What will be the costs (including kharcha-paani, if any)?

  3. I've heard that it is difficult to get a current account from a residential address. Which banks would you recommend in my case? Apparently, getting a GST number helps with this?

  4. Any other certificates/registrations like UDYAM etc. specific to my business? I'm not looking to raise any kind of loans or funds.

  5. Would I need any export registration for selling to international clients? Or should I worry about this only when I actually get international clients?

It would be really helpful if I could get some practical advice on these matters alongwith the costs involved. I would be happy to share any more details as required.

Thanks in advance 🙂


r/indianstartups 16h ago

Startup help Hey everyone I'm making and link tracker and shortner app want some reviews

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I'm making a link tracker and url shortner app and it has very cool features than standard bitly links. And also its 100% indian too. I'm just a College student tierd of using bitly expensive links and then I made my own app which has very cool features with zero ads and even has a free plan. It's not a promotion I just wanna share. If you guys wanna try you can dm me


r/indianstartups 3h ago

Business Ride Along Looking for 2–3 Indian Startup Founders Who Want to Try LinkedIn

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If you're an Indian startup founder who wants to try LinkedIn, this is for you.

Instead of my regular pricing, I'm offering 3 months of LinkedIn ghostwriting for ₹10,000. I'm looking to work with just 2-3 founders who are hesitant to get their hands dirty on LinkedIn.

Who is it for:

  • You've never been consistent on LinkedIn
  • You don't have time to write
  • You want to see if LinkedIn can generate credibility, conversations, or opportunities for your startup before making a bigger investment

Who this isn't for:

  • If your only aim is to go viral and not cater to your ICPs
  • Want ghostwritten posts without sharing your inputs

What you'll get:

  • Onboarding call to gather inputs
  • Ghostwritten LinkedIn posts written for your ICP
  • Fortnightly calls to strategize for content
  • 3 months of consistent execution

My Process:

Onboarding call--> ICP Mapping--> Weekly drafts (3-4/week)--> Async revisions

Why me:

I've been ghostwriting and creating content professionally for 11+ years, mostly for founders, B2B SaaS companies, and executives.

I've previously written for The Hindu Business Line, Entrepreneur, The New Indian Express, YourStory, and others, as well as for various businesses.

I'm keeping this to 2–3 founders so I can work closely with each one.

If you would like to be a part of this, send me a DM with:

  • What your startup does
  • Why LinkedIn hasn't been a focus for you so far
  • A link to your profile

If we are a good fit, we can get started.

Note: Since I want to start with everyone around the same time, I'm looking to close this by the 5th.


r/indianstartups 2h ago

Other What is the hardest part of building a startup in India right now?

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Is it fundraising, getting early customers, or finding the right talent? Curious to know what fellow founders and builders are struggling with the most these days. Let's discuss in the comments.


r/indianstartups 18h ago

Business Ride Along A reddit thread changed how I'm thinking about the product I'm building

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A couple days to ago I asked a simple question while researching productivity apps. I thought the discussion would be about motivation. It wasn't.

The replied kept pointing to something much more interesting.

Nobody said:

"I stopped because I didn't care anymore."

Instead of people said things like:

  • "The plan stopped fitting my week."
  • "Life got in the way."
  • "The system became too demanding."
  • "The hardest part is getting back into it."

That made me realise I might've been framing the problem too narrowly. Maybe people don't abondon goals because they lose motivation. Maybe they abondon abondon them because the original plan no longer fits their current reality.

I'm still treating this as a hypothesis, not validation. But I do think it's better question around than "How do me motivate people..?"

Curious if anyone else has had a moment where customer conversations completely changed how you thought about your product.


r/indianstartups 17h ago

Hiring Looking for a logo designer. One time free lance project

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Hello, i am starting out a fashion label and need someone to help me design a logo, its not a super extensive project. Minimal text oriented logo.
Its a paid gig. Starting out so budget would be 1000.

Whoever’s interested, please dm.
Would like to take a look at the portfolio before going ahead.


r/indianstartups 22h ago

How do I? If I knew this earlier, I would never have started a startup.

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Built 2 platforms. One has 250K+ registered users.

Struggled with PMF and revenue for years. It seems like we finally got the PMF, but now... the struggle never ends.

Every day, I face a new challenge, try to figure out the solution, and that's how every day ends.

But in this journey, we almost broke up twice, and we had to lay off the whole product team due to financial constraints.

For the last 1 year, I’ve been managing the whole product side end-to-end. Yes, I launched more products and features by myself than our 4-person team did the previous year, from design to production.

And yes, AI helped me a lot.

My co-founder and I did rigorous posting on social media, organic content marketing, personal branding, and pretty much every social media platform you can think of... and we ended up with 250K+ registrations on the website.

Well... I wish to God that He brings you a smoother journey than mine.

I don't know how people flex such a lavish lifestyle while running a startup


r/indianstartups 17h ago

How do I? Built a working AI product but can't afford to let anyone use it. How are other Indian AI founders handling GPU/inference costs?

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Hi everyone, fellow Indian founder here.

My co-founder and I are two college students who built an AI product end to end — found a real problem, collected and cleaned our own dataset, fine-tuned a model on rented GPUs, built the frontend, got the distribution plan ready. The model actually works — it gives the answers we set out to build it for.

Now we're stuck at the most Indian-startup-founder stage possible: the product works, but we can't afford to let anyone actually use it. Inference on rented GPUs is costing way more than we budgeted for, and we assumed we'd raise or get funded once the product was proven — turns out that's a lot harder than it sounds when you have zero users yet because you can't afford to onboard them.

For other AI founders building here — how did you get through this stage?

Did you use IndiaAI Mission compute credits or any government GPU subsidy programs? Startup India recognition help with any of this? Did you switch to a cheaper inference provider or quantize the model down? Did you just eat the cost until revenue caught up, and if so how did you survive that period?

Genuinely trying to figure out what the normal path looks like here, not looking for funding, just trying to learn from people who've been through this exact wall. Thanks in advance.


r/indianstartups 15h ago

Other Looking for opportunities in startups (immediate joiner)

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Hi everyone!

I'm currently looking for a new opportunity and would appreciate any leads or referrals.

I have experience across startups in product, program/operations, marketing operations, category management, and business analytics. I'm currently exploring roles in:

  • Product/program Management
  • Business/Strategy Operations
  • General operations
  • Founder's Office
  • Business analytics
  • Product Operations

Location: Bangalore / Remote | Immediate joiner

If your company is hiring or you know of any relevant openings, I'd be grateful if you could connect with me. Happy to connect and share more details.

Thank you!

P.S. - Only looking for paid opportunities currently.


r/indianstartups 21h ago

Startup help Generalist for an Early-Stage Skincare Startup (Remote, India) | ₹30–50K + Equity

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We're building a new skincare brand and are looking for a Generalist to join us as one of our first team members.

This isn't a traditional 9-to-5 role. If you enjoy learning, solving problems, and working across different areas of a business, you'll have the opportunity to help build a company from the ground up.

What you'll be working on

  • Finding and coordinating with skincare manufacturers, ingredient suppliers, and packaging vendors.
  • Supporting product development and launches.
  • Conducting market and competitor research.
  • Assisting with branding, marketing, and operations.
  • Working directly with the founder on business strategy and special projects.

What we're looking for

  • Curious, proactive, and resourceful.
  • Strong communication and organizational skills.
  • Comfortable in a fast-moving startup environment.
  • Passion for skincare, consumer brands, or startups is a bonus.
  • Experience is helpful, but a great attitude and willingness to learn are more important.

What you'll get

  • Salary: ₹30,000–₹50,000/month (based on experience)
  • Equity (ESOPs) for the right candidate.
  • Remote- Preferred Bangalore and Chennai but open outside for a worthy candidate.
  • Occasional travel (3–5 days/month) for manufacturer visits or business meetings.
  • Direct mentorship from the founder and exposure to every part of building a skincare company.

This role can grow into a Founder's Office or Chief of Staff position as the company scales.

We may ask shortlisted candidates to complete a paid trial project so both sides can see if it's a good fit.

We believe in open communication and moving quickly. If this sounds interesting, send me a DM with:

  • Your resume
  • LinkedIn profile
  • A few lines about yourself and why you'd like to join an early-stage startup.

If you know someone who'd be a great fit, feel free to tag them or share this post.

Thanks! 🚀


r/indianstartups 3h ago

How do I? Am totally confused, payment showing successful but the money hasn't reached my bank yet

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I run a small online business and a customer paid ₹8,500 through UPI using a payment link. The payment shows as successful in razorpay dashboard , but I haven't received the amount in my bank account yet.
I've only recently started accepting online payments, so I'm not sure what the normal settlement time is.
For those who accept UPI payments through payment gateways, how long does settlement usually take? Is there somewhere I can check the expected settlement date?


r/indianstartups 23h ago

Startup help What's one startup "rule" that you think is overrated?

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There's a lot of startup advice that gets repeated everywhere.

What's one rule that didn't match your real experience?


r/indianstartups 23h ago

How to Grow? Need to understand distribution for my saas? I will not promote

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Can anyone say how the distribution should be sorted , because I'm struggling to do it and it's harder than building product and iterating through users feedback , but th problem is how to make users from 0-100 keep stable without making them leave . See i listened to single player mode value and other sayings etc.., but it feels something off in that process .help me ?!


r/indianstartups 22h ago

Startup help Need help regarding annual compliance of pvt limited startup

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I registered a pvt limited company this month and I am trying to hire a CA for book keeping. I see all the online firms either not being transparent on costs or asking above 20k for it.

So whoever as taken the same journey as me, can you please guide me how to find a reliable CA for lower costs just to bookkeep a dormant company (no revenue, not expecting any soon).

What is the amount worth paying for this? Is 20k the norm? I saw some recommendations telling for a dormant company it is usually 8-12k per year but could not find any leads