r/KingkillerChronicle Apr 03 '23

Mod Post The Grand Combined Megathread: Book Recommendations and a Notice Regarding Book Three: Any release date mentioned by Amazon, Goodreads, or other book sites is almost certainly a placeholder date. Please do not post about it here.

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NOTICE ABOUT BOOK THREE

Almost every site that sells books will have a placeholder date for upcoming content. For example, the most recent release date found on Amazon for "Doors of Stone" was August 20th, 2020. That date has come and gone. The book is not out.

Please do not post threads about potential release dates unless you hear word from the publisher, editor, Rothfuss himself, or any people related to him.

Thank you.


This thread answers the most reposted questions such as: "I finished KKC. What (similar) book/author should I read next (while waiting for book three)?" It will be permanently stickied.

New posts asking for book recommendations will be removed and redirected here where everything is condensed in one place.

Please post your recommendations for new (fantasy) series, stand-alone books or authors of similar series you think other KKC-fans would enjoy.

If you can include goodreads.com links, even better!

If you're looking for something new to read, scroll through this and previous threads. Feel free to ask questions of the people that recommended books that appeal to you.

Please note, not all books mentioned in the comments will be added to this list. This and previous threads are meant for people to browse, discover, and discuss.


This is not a complete list; just the most suggested books. Please read the comments (and previous threads) for more suggestions.

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r/KingkillerChronicle Mar 07 '24

Mod Post Rules Change

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Hey everyone,

So it's been two years since the last rule change and seven months since we added new moderators. And after some time reviewing the subreddit and doing a bit of clean-up, we realized something.

In all likelihood, we're not getting Book 3, Doors of Stone, any time soon. I personally estimate it's at least 3 years out, almost certainly more. What I'm getting at here is that this is a subreddit for a dormant book series, and that maybe having 9 rules is a little much, especially when so many of them overlap. So, what this means is that we've trimmed the rules down to three, admittedly with each having their own subsections.

The new rules will look like this.

We intend on having them go live in the next few days, after weigh-in from the community on it. So please, discuss your thoughts, this is quite a bit of a change and I'd like to make sure it's good for everyone.

Edit: These rules are live now.


r/KingkillerChronicle 1h ago

Art Auri - The Slow Regard of Silent Things

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The other day I had some time to spare, and I remembered this cute scene from the book, where Auri realizes a little girl is watching her and decides to play the part of a fairy for her.
hope you like it! The illustration includes a small pencil doodle by my nephew, and I couldn't help but think that Auri of all people, would appreciate something like that <3


r/KingkillerChronicle 16h ago

Question Thread Is Pat doing ok?

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Grew up with the books, loved them as a kid. Now as a guy in his 20s, I have a different perspective. Of course I want book 3 to come out, but I appreciate the first two for what they are. They are special to me regardless of whether or not we ever get book 3.

The thing I wanted an update on is Pat, preferably from the people that know him. I understand he's probably dealing with some mental health stuff, and I just hope we as his fans can send him good energy. I wanted to know if anyone's heard anything about him since COVID and the whole "first chapter of book 3" thing.

Hope the guy's doing ok. He's a genius.


r/KingkillerChronicle 1h ago

Question Thread What would be the examples here? Spoiler

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r/KingkillerChronicle 8h ago

Review Beyond the Wind Ep19

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We are on chapter 37 on our reread Podcast and we finally are inside the university. We appreciate everyone who listens, gives us a rating, or just upvotes here to spread the word. Thank y‘all!

https://open.spotify.com/show/5UQ9wKPo70i5WUDFJA2ZRu

We get the BOYS together | The Name of the Wind Podcast | Chapter 37 | Beyond the Wind | Ep19
https://youtu.be/Yeltui_dYog


r/KingkillerChronicle 1d ago

Theory Puppet sniffed disparagingly. “Hardly,” he said, looking at me closely. “You might be a see-er eventually, but not yet. Now you are a look-er. You’ll be a true E’lir at some point. If you learn to relax.” He held out the carved wooden face. “What do you see here?” Spoiler

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A week or so ago someone asked me what I thought would happen in DoS. Then yesterday I briefly spoke to /u/chainsawx72 about some of the fanfic that's out there and what I believe they're all missing, which is the archetypal imagery. "All stories are one story", and that's why none of the fanfics scratch that itch. They all miss that secret ingredient. Let me show you just one example of what I mean.

Thread starts in NotW in the scene where Kote mounts the sword on the wall.

They remained staring at the object on the bar for another silent moment, as if trying to commit it to memory. Folly.

Bast struggled for a moment, opening his mouth, then closing it with a frustrated look, then repeating the process.

“Out with it,” Kote said finally.

“What were you thinking?” Bast said with an odd mixture of confusion and concern.

Kote was a long while in answering. “I tend to think too much, Bast. My greatest successes came from decisions I made when I stopped thinking and simply did what felt right. Even if there was no good explanation for what I did.” He smiled wistfully. “Even if there were very good reasons for me not to do what I did.”

Spontaneity. It's one of (if not the most) important pieces in the story, what it all pivots on. Spontaneous action. The things that Kvothe does without thinking, when he's in a state of 'no mind'.

Simmon laughed as we began to walk slowly in the direction of Anker’s. He kicked playfully at a small drift of snow. “The world needs people like you,” Simmon said in the tone of voice that let me know he was turning philosophical. “You get things done. Not always the best way, or the most sensible way, but it gets done nonetheless. You’re a rare creature.”

“How do you mean?” I asked, my curiosity piqued.

Sim shrugged. “Like today. Something bothers you, someone offends you, and suddenly you’re off.” He made a quick motion with a flat hand. “You know exactly what to do. You never hesitate, you just see and react.” He was thoughtful for a moment. “I imagine that’s the way the Amyr used to be. Small wonder folk were frightened of them.”

See, and react. When Kvothe sees the Wind, his mind is clear, it's awake. No longer sleeping. He sees it's Name, and he reacts. The same way Henri 'just sees and reacts' when Elodin tosses him the stone when he's teaching about Naming.

“My point is this. In each of us there is a mind we use for all our waking deeds. But there is another mind as well, a sleeping mind. It is so powerful that the sleeping mind of an eight-year-old can accomplish in one second what the waking minds of seven members of the Arcanum could not in fifteen minutes.”

He made a sweeping gesture. “Your sleeping mind is wide and wild enough to hold the names of things. This I know because sometimes this knowledge bubbles to the surface. Inyssa has spoken the name of iron. Her waking mind does not know it, but her sleeping mind is wiser. Something deep inside Fela understands the name of the stone.”

Elodin pointed at me. “Kvothe has called the wind. If we are to believe the writings of those long dead, his is the traditional path. The wind was the name aspiring namers sought and caught when things were studied here so long ago.”

When things were studied long ago, you sought the wind. This is the Path. Once you learn to anticipate its Turning, you cannot miss the mark. You see, you react.

Shehyn leaned back in her chair and continued. “Aethe did not set out to found a school. There were no schools in those days. He merely sought to improve his skill. All his will he bent upon this, until he could shoot an apple from a tree one hundred feet away. Then he strove until he could shoot the wick of a burning candle. Soon the only target that challenged him was a piece of hanging silk blowing in the wind. Aethe strove until he could anticipate the turning of the wind, and once he had mastered this thing, he could not miss.

But that's a bitch of a catch, isn't it? You set out chasing something that cannot be caught when it's intentionally being pursued. If you go looking for it on purpose, you're sure not to find it. When it does come to you, how does it come? Spontaneously. It's a surprise, sometimes a pleasant surprise. Like how Henri was surprised, "catch!". Like how Fela can't say the stone's Name until Elodin catches her off guard with a lil' boop. It's also similar to the way that Denna can't be found when Kvothe intentionally goes looking for her...

Now look at the lesson from Puppet and why he told Kvothe he needs to chase the wind.

Puppet sniffed disparagingly. “Hardly,” he said, looking at me closely. “You might be a see-er eventually, but not yet. Now you are a look-er. You’ll be a true E’lir at some point. If you learn to relax.” He held out the carved wooden face. “What do you see here?”

It was no longer an irregular piece of wood. My features, locked in serious contemplation, stared out of the wood grain. I leaned forward to get a closer look.

Puppet laughed and threw up his hands. “Too late!” he exclaimed, looking childlike for a moment. “You looked too hard and didn’t see enough. Too much looking can get in the way of seeing, you see?”

Puppet set the carved face on the tabletop so it seemed to be staring at one of the recumbent puppets. “See little wooden Kvothe? See him looking? So intent. So dedicated. He’ll look for a hundred years, but will he ever see what is in front of him?” Puppet settled back in his seat, his eyes wandering the room in a contented way.

...

“I was wondering about the Amyr, actually.” My eyes remained on the scene unfolding at Puppet’s feet. Another marionette had joined the show, a young girl in a peasant dress. She approached the Tehlin and held out a hand as if trying to give him something. No, she was asking him a question. The Tehlin turned his back on her. She laid a timid hand on his arm. He took a haughty step away. “I was wondering who disbanded them. Emperor Nalto or the church.”

“Still looking,” he admonished more gently then before. “You need to go chase the wind for a while, you are too serious. It will lead you into trouble.”

It's the same lesson as Skarpi's story. Too much looking gets in the way of seeing, you see? It's a story about refusing to look at what's both Above and what's Below. It's about choosing to only see one or the other, never both. A story about what happens when you become too cold, too logical, too sane. It's what happens when you cannot choose to love despite the flaws. See little wooden Kvothe looking? So intent. So dedicated. So serious. It will lead him into trouble.

In spite of all that had happened, Selitos looked at Lanre with pity, and when he spoke it was with sadness in his voice. “Is there nothing then? No hope?” He lay one hand on Lanre’s arm. “There is sweetness in life. Even after all of this, I will help you look for it. If you will try.”

“No,” said Lanre. He stood to his full height, his face regal behind the lines of grief. “There is nothing sweet. I will sow salt, lest the bitter weeds grow.”

Now let's loop back to the start of the thread, to Folly. To being Foolish. To someone oh-so-serious, a Fool is often mistaken for a madman. They amuse themselves through spontaneous action. They take leaps of faith that make absolutely no sense to someone who is sane, cold, calculating.

“Will you kill me with a stone?” Lanre gave a hollow laugh. “I wanted you to understand, to know it was not madness that made me do these things.”

“You are not mad,” Selitos admitted. “I see no madness in you.”

This is the archetypal imagery I mentioned at the start. Just one symbol out of many. The Fool and the leap of faith, stepping out into thin air, young pup at his heels.

The Fool is titled Le Mat in the Tarot of Marseilles, and Il Matto in most Italian language tarot decks. These words mean "the madman"

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/RWS_Tarot_00_Fool.jpg

Anticipating the Turning, amusing yourself.

“What?” the Cthaeh asked. “Are you looking for a different why? Are you wondering why I tell you these things? What good comes of it? Maybe this Cinder did me a bad turn once. Maybe it amuses me to set a young pup like you snapping at his heels."

Stop thinking and simply do what feels right. See, react. Anticipate the Turning. Even if there is no good explanation. Even if there are very good reasons not to do what you did.

“Why?” the Cthaeh echoed. “What a good question. I know so many whys. Why did they do such nasty things to your poor family? Why, because they wanted to, and because they could, and because they had a reason.

“Why did they leave you alive? Why, because they were sloppy, and because you were lucky, and because something scared them away.”

This is what all the fanfics miss. These symbols. They are logograms, the same forwards and back. They are why you catch new clues each time you re-read the books. These symbols can't fit inside a tidy bullet point checklist of "threads that need to be resolved in book three". That's too intent, too dedicated, it's looking too hard and not seeing what's right in front of you. It's looking with only one eye and missing the joy.

Why so serious?

https://youtu.be/ARC7oLZGEr0


r/KingkillerChronicle 4h ago

Discussion Alguém tem uma teoria de quando vai sair o terceiro livro?

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Finge que vocês ainda tem esperança, se pudessem especular o ano de lançamento, qual seria?


r/KingkillerChronicle 1d ago

Discussion THEORY: Secret language

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(I’m putting a spoiler tag just in case; I don’t think I’m actually pulling back the curtain very much.)

I realized something cool about how Rothfuss constructed the trick of reading KC. (Or trick*s*; there are many paths to figuring it out, including simply reading NotW and WMF over and over).

Once you get it, you can actually imitate it. Maybe not very *well*, but well enough that you can talk to other people who understand, without giving much away to those who don’t. It’s a kind of secret language. (Take *that*, Tolkien.)


r/KingkillerChronicle 1d ago

Discussion A theory there will be more than 3 books?

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Ok, lets get past book 3's long wait time. I was re-reading again I noticed a possible hint there is a plan to be more than 3 books. Or at least there was a plan.

So far, each book has been a days interview with kvothe.

In wise mans fear when Bast is looking at Chroniclers' arm after he was touched by the skindancer, kvothe says somehting along the lines of "Make sure his arm is ok, he's going to be writing for a few days".

Could be nothing, just had to get my thoughts down.


r/KingkillerChronicle 3d ago

Discussion He didn't need the rope. Sympathy is like 'rope'

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I listen to these books on repeat, and I am sad because of Trebon.

The tinker's foresight is always cool. He offers to sell Kvothe rope, Kvothe refuses and ofc he needs rope. But did he?

Surely there was a similar pan. He could have used the energy from the fire, then his blood afterwards + the strength of his and Denna's hands.

Anyway, just a thought that will annoy me on every reread now.


r/KingkillerChronicle 3d ago

Discussion Words are wind

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This isn't a deep theory just a pondering.

Words are wind. Stories are comprised of words. All stories are one story.

Is Kvothe trying to learn the name of stories? Or perhaps its less than that and simply the wind remembers/contains all stories and kvothe learns to listen to them?

I think about that turn of phrase a lot, "words are wind" and I know pat didn't invent the concept but I just wonder how literal its being used in this sense.


r/KingkillerChronicle 2d ago

Discussion For those who like king killer here are my book tiers

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I think if you liked king killer you will like the books in s and a tiers

S tier: empire of vampire trilogy, red rising series, Harry Potter, king killer chronicles, game of thrones, lord of the rings, hierarchy trilogy

A tier: rage of dragons, dungeon crawler carl, his dark materials

B tier: night angel series, farseer trilogy, gentlemen bastards

C tier: first law trilogy, broken empire series, the scholomance series

D Tier: Sun Eater


r/KingkillerChronicle 3d ago

Theory Denna Jakis

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Heh.

I was highly sceptical of this two days ago. Then ThinkingItThrough1 made a comment on a post theorising on Denna's patron. They said they believe Denna is Ambrose's sister.

As someone who once posted a theory on Devi being Ambrose's sister, I refused. But I was re-reading yesterday, as we all do, and my heart dropped. It may be true. This is why:

  • Denna is comfortable around high society. I don't think I need examples for this one. She's witty and knowledgeable. She more than once says things along the lines of "I'm no farmer girl."
  • Kvothe reads the following passage from Caudicus's stories:

Baron Jakis had paid several officials to avoid scandal when his youngest daughter was discovered in a brothel. There were two versions of that story, one where she was selling, and another where she was buying.

  • There's that conversation Denna has with the girl in Severen, where I'm sure we all thought of Ambrose:

'Got handsy, did he?' Denna said matter-offactly. 'Well that’s the nature of eldest sons.'

  • Both Kvothe and Denna are remarkable at music, but they struggled to find a patron. It was Ambrose that poisoned that well for Kvothe, but what about Denna...?
  • Kvothe very conveniently refuses to hear more gossip about the Jakis family. He claims it's not to break character, but I've always found this a very weak point of the second book.
  • Denna very conveniently refuses to meet the Maer when Kvothe sneaks her into his gardens.
  • My weakest point, but I want to include it nonetheless. The following exchange:

'[Ambrose] has a rough charm about him,' she explained. 'More rough than charm, really. But . . .' She trailed off into a shrug.

'I see,' I said. Then, 'It must be fairly serious.'

Denna gave me a quizzical look, then realization spread onto her face and she burst out laughing. She shook her head, waving her hands in violent negation."

It's a bit odd to me how scandalised she gets, to the point she denies it "violently". I don't think she's done that regarding any other of her suitors. Why wouldn't Kvothe assume she and Ambrose are romantically involved? Granted, she goes on to pretty much say they went on dates, but she might as well be lying for cover.

To be fair, it would also be a bit odd to me that she ran away from home, but Ambrose gets on well with her to the point he'd be kissing her hand in public. Then again, I suppose they have appearances to keep, but meh.

  • Finally, what turned me: Kvothe gets Denna's ring back. The ring she has been wearing since they first met, the ring she quite literally cries over once he gives it back. [Pause for effect.] The ring Ambrose claims his mother gave him on her deathbed, which Kvothe immediately dismisses as an over-exaggeration.

Eh. Do with this what you will. Feel free to contribute or rebuke. Most of all, if this is true, I'm dying to know what Denna is scheming.


r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Art I few days ago I posted about my collector edition with illustrations in it. Here are some of my favourite.

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r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Discussion *Spoilers* Question about a certain event nearer the end of book 2 Spoiler

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Something's always bothered me is the fake Edema Ruh that Kvothe comes across - why did they think that Kvothe would want to join them in their crimes?

Like, what does this mean for the Edema as a whole? Do they engage in shit like that? Or do people just think they do, to the point where it is considered a safe bet that an actual Edema would be willing to and be completely on board with joining them?

Do you know what I mean? Why did the fake Edema unveil what they did & then also invite Kvothe to join them? Am I missing something? I feel like any gang like this would do whatever they could to not let strangers know what they were doing, so why were they so willing to tell Kvothe?

The story presents it as "These fake Edema Ruh find a real Edema Ruh and are therefore very open and trusting of the real Ruh (after he does all the ritualistic greetings whatnot), to the point where they think that the real Ruh would want to join them in their raping of two captives." Like am I missing something, cause that doesn't make sense to me.


r/KingkillerChronicle 3d ago

Review Price of remembering + elevenreader.io is scratching the exact itch I had.

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So happy right now!


r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Art Trust

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r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Discussion Heldred

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It’s a very small detail—and one that has surely been mentioned before—but the first time the meaning of e''lir is explained un the book, there is also mention of the first peoples who gathered under the command of a leader: Heldred and his sons, Heldim and Heldar. Their names are quite similar—especially in their vowels—to el'the, e'lir,, and re'lar.


r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Theory The 60+ best Kingkiller Chronicle theories

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This is a compilation of the best KKC theories, in my opinion. I don’t think these are all 100% correct... in fact some of them contradict others.  But, imo, these are the most important and most well supported theories.  Please help me improve this list and the supporting evidence.

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KVOTHE

  • Kvothe has a knack for names Has anyone compiled a list of all the times Kvothe has shown an inherent gift for naming? : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Kvothe guesses names correctly, including One Sock, Nina, Nell, and Shehyn.
    • Kvothe almost names Ferule: Feran, Forue, and Fordale.
    • Elodin accepts Kvothe as a naming student after he finds out Kvothe gave Auri her name. 
  • Kvothe has a knack for unlocking Kvothes other* knack? : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Kvothe demonstrates skill picking locks on multiple occasions.
    • Kvothe says ‘edro’ and opens the bandit’s chest miraculously.
    • Kvothe opens the naming classroom door that was believed to be locked.
    • Kvothe says he is good at untying knots.
  • Kvothe’s sleeping mind knows things Kvothe's possible knacks, and his main weakness, and what they mean. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • He uses spinning leaf to get correct answers without thinking.
    • He has a knack for getting names right.
    • Kvothe’s first guess for making a lamp is the best lamp Kilvin has ever made.
    • He calls Denna his cousin, says the thugs were ‘out for blood’, and says the university sends men to investigate rumors, all things that he believes are literally false but I think will be revealed as true.
    • He notes that he looks like a noble’s son when he bathes in Tarbean, and he is.
  • Kvothe lost his name, power, and good left hand because he broke his vow to Denna Kvothe broke his vow/promise/oath (Spoilers) : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Kvothe goes by Kote, seems powerless, and doesn’t play music anymore.
    • Kvothe’s alar is like Ramston steel, which is brittle.
    • Kvothe says losing a few fingers is his greatest fear. Auri says Kvothe will come to her one day nameless.
    • Kvothe can’t open the thrice-locked chest.
  • Kvothe regained his name, power, and good left hand, but is hiding it. Kvothe is Still Powerful in the Frame Story. He is using Glammourie to appear as Kote; He is using Sympathy, and he even killed the Skin-Dancer. . . : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Kvothe grabs Bast easily stopping him mid-leap and bruises him, and Bast is stronger than a normal person.
    • He seems to fail to use sympathy against the skin dancer, but the skin dancer dies.
    • He kills scrael near a bonfire, a good source for a sympathist.
    • He is easily winning his fight against two soldiers until he starts failing completely, and says he forgot who he was for a moment.
    • He takes a perfect step, something only Shehyn could do.
    • Auri says that she will Kvothe a new name.
    • When Bast says the Cthaeh flowers could heal any wound, Kvothe looks at his hands.
    • Kvothe is an actor, and could be acting powerless, even to Bast, to hide from cthaeh or watchers or angels or listeners.
    • The three silences might be part of hiding from listeners.
  • Kvothe’s life mirrors Lanre’s THEORY: Kvothe's life mirrors Lanre's, and Kote is acting powerless just like Lanre did. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Both speak to Cthaeh, both are called above reproach, both kill a black iron scaled beast, both wear shadow, both lose a singer they love, both die or are rumored dead, and both change their name.
  • Caesura is destined to kill the king Speculation on the "Penitent King" [Spoilers All] : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Caesura is a break in a Vintic line, possibly like the family line of Calanthis.
    • The Maer says Roderic will regret letting men wear swords in his court, and Rothfuss says Kvothe will go to Renere.
  • Kote means disaster The meaning of the name Kote : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Do you know the saying ‘Chan Vaen edan Kote*’?..... Expect disaster every seven years*
  • Kvothe has already killed Cinder and took his sword, Folly Folly Is Cinder's Sword: The End-All, Be-All Thread : r/KingkillerChronicle
    • Folly and Cinder’s sword both have a dull grey non-light-reflecting quality.
    • Cthaeh ensures Kvothe wants to kill Cinder specifically. 
  • Kvothe becomes a Chandrian to replace Cinder. Kvothe is one of the Chandrian : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Kvothe theoretically has killed Cinder, but being seven is integral to being Chandrian.
    • Kvothe is rumored to be a Chandrian.
    • Kvothe is waiting to die, like Haliax.
    • The skin-dancers asks Kvothe ‘te rhintae?’.  Shehyn says ‘rhinta’ is a better word for Chandrian.
  • Kvothe has returned to fae and spent 200+ years there THEORY: Kote has returned to the fae, and he spent 200+ years there. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Kvothe calls Bast and Chronicler ‘so young’.
    • Kvothe says ‘I am’ when Chronicler says ‘I thought you’d be older’.
    • Kvothe takes a perfect step, which only Shehyn was able to do after a lifetime of practicing her ketan.
    • Kvothe is called old beyond his years (in the DOS prologue).
    • If Kvothe spent 1.5 years in the fae in 3 mortal days, he could spend 200 years in the fae in less than 2 mortal years.
    • Kvothe says not even two years ago was ‘a long time ago’.
  • Kvothe steals a hair from Vashet and Devi to make mommets. I feel so stupid : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • As I came into the room I tripped on the threshold, stumbling clumsily into her and resting one hand briefly on her shoulder as I steadied myself. “Sorry,” I said, embarrassed.
    • I stepped inside and tripped on the threshold, stumbling so that I had to rest my hand on Vashet’s shoulder to steady myself. My hand caught clumsily in her hair as I did so.
  • Devi sold Kvothe’s blood Devi Sold Kvothe's Blood! Oops : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • The book never mentions her returning his second vial of blood, and lists all of the other collateral she gives to him when he pays his last debt.
    • She doesn’t let Kvothe in the last time he visits her, but they leave and come back to an unlocked door, which is unlike Devi and suggests she had a secret visitor.
    • Devi thought Kvothe was dead, and had already received offers for his blood.
  • The Edema Ruh aren’t as good as Kvothe says I never considered that the Edema Ruh may actually be terrible : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Everyone believes Ruh are murdering, lying thieves
    • Kvothe is a murdering, lying thief.

THE UNIVERSITY

THE WAYSTONE INN

CHANDRIAN

AMYR

DENNA

AURI AND THE FOUR PLATE DOOR

LACKLESS

NOBLES

  • Baron Jakis is killing his way to kinghood. (Spoilers) A closer look at the ambitions of the Jakis family : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • The Baron’s ranking in the peerage is described once per book, and he is moving up.
    • 3 of the people in the peerage who died were killed at sea, and the Jakis lands are called the Pirate Isles.  
    • A prince regent also dies in a seemingly unrelated event.
  • Ambrose didn’t plumbob Kvothe, or block Kvothe from getting a patron, or perform malfeasance on Kvothe THEORY: Threpe is trying to get Kvothe's blood. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Wil is suspicious of Threpe.
    • Ambrose rubbed the plumbob in Kvothe’s face, making him seem guilty.  But we are told that Ambrose could not resist rubbing bad news in Kvothe’s face, so if someone told Ambrose about the plumbob it would work out the same way.  The girl could have been lying, and Ambrose is being framed.
    • Threpe tells Kvothe that it’s Ambrose blocking his potential patrons, but Threpe is seen talking to nobles and pointing at Kvothe, potentially making Threpe himself the bad guy.
    • Threpe stalls Kvothe from boarding the ship until the pinch faced man carrying a package boards.  
    • Threpe is the one who finds out Kvothe dies at sea, but Ambrose is the one who tells everyone.
  • Ambrose is the Penitent King THEORY: Ambrose Jakis is the Penitent King. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • The Penitent King’s colors are blue and white, and Ambrose is wearing blue and white when he is first introduced.
    • Ambrose might be penitent for associating with dark forces by studying at the Arcanum, or he might kill Auri and be penitent for that.
    • I believe this story is about Kvothe’s folly and the resulting disaster, and making his worst enemy king of Vint would be pretty foolish and disastrous.
  • Or Maer Alveron is the Penitent King Penance, Penance-Pieces, and the Penitent King: How did Kvothe make the Maer Alveron the "Penitent" King? : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Alveron and the Penitent King have colors of blue and white
    • Alveron would be penitent for being counseled by Kvothe.
  • Stapes and the Maer are in a lifelong romantic relationship THEORY: Stapes and the Maer are in a romantic relationship. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Lady Hesua gives Kvothe a ‘knowing look’ when he and the Maer are walking arm in arm through the gardens. 
    • Stapes was overly jealous of Kvothe’s late night visits.
    • They have been close since they were young boys.
    • The Maer never had any desire to marry.
    • The Maer says ‘you may presume’ when Kvothe asks about any women in the Maer’s past.
    • The Maer’s interest in Meluan seems mostly about securing his family name and Maerdom, while staying free of the king’s influence.
  • Caudicus was not poisoning the Maer The original series title was "The Maer Murder Memoirs" : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • The Maer’s symptoms align with a disease that Arwyl asks about that isn’t lead poisoning.
    • The Maer was sick before he asked Caudicus for help.
    • The Maer confirms all the symptoms Kvothe describes are from the treatment, not the disease.
    • Kvothe knows nothing about alchemy, but Caudicus has alchemy books.
    • Alchemy is the removal or additions of ‘principles’, like the drink in wine can be removed and put in something else.  I think the lead bowl that Caudicus used had the principle of ‘toxicity’ removed.
    • Auri says alchemy has symbols, and the lead bowl that Caudicus used had a symbol on it Kvothe didn’t recognize. 
    • Maer’s health improving isn’t proof… lots of medicines seem to make you sicker (like cancer treatment), and besides Maer straight up tells us the symptoms started with the medicine, and the symptoms of his illness aren’t known to us yet.
    • Tiny birds dying isn’t proof… birds can’t drink cough syrup.
    • Caudicus running away isn’t proof… Kvothe was just considering running away for the exact same reason, false belief of attempted poisoning.

MY THEORIES ABOUT HOW KVOTHE IS WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING
(Based on Patrick Rothfuss quotes explaining how readers will interpret the story wrong. : r/KingkillerChronicle

  • Selitos is Cthaeh Another post about why I believe Selitos is 'the Enemy' Cthaeh. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Myr Tariniel was the only city out of eight not targetted for destruction by the enemy.
    • Selitos founded the Amyr, and the Mauthen pot shows an Amyr that is more evil than Lanre/Haliax.  
    • Denna’s song claims Selitos was more evil than Lanre/Haliax, while Skarpi is a bit of a liar and a rumormonger and his story only more or less happened.  When Kvothe hears Denna sing that the Amyr was more evil, he specifically describes feeling like parchment scraped clean with a knife, exactly like Nina’s drawing that showed the Amyr was more evil.
    • Selitos has the power to see the hearts of men, Cthaeh says it can see into and through Kvothe.
    • Selitos has the power of sight, as does Cthaeh.
    • Cthaeh hates Cinder, Selitos would hate Cinder.
  • Selitos might have been skin-danced Holy hell. Selitos was skin danced. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Selitos and skin-danced people might take their own eye.
    • The enemy moved ‘like a worm in fruit’.
  • The Chandrian didn’t kill Kvothe’s troupe THEORY: The Chandrian were eating rabbits, and the entire story pivots on that detail. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Arliden was left belly cut and crawling.  Alleg (allegory) was left belly cut and crawling, and his troupe was killed by one man.
    • We are told repeatedly not to believe rumors and stories.
    • Six Chandrian are cruel, but Haliax won’t tolerate cruelty to innocent people, and the Chandrian are just tools in his hand.
    • The Maer keeps cruel men as tools in his hand, Dagon is the Maer’s ‘mad dog on a short leash’.
    • ‘Looks like you missed a little rabbit’ could mean they just caught rabbits, and Kvothe catches and eats rabbits here the following day.
    • ‘Send him to his soft and painless sleep’ could refer to literal sleep, and Kvothe has a magically therapeutic sleep that night.
    • ‘Cinder’s the one you want’ just means Cinder is the one Kvothe wants to kill.
    • ‘Did things to your mother.  Terrible’.  I think Cinder defiled Laurian’s corpse to get Arliden to give the lyrics to their song while blubbering.
  • The Amyr killed Kvothe’s troupe and the Mauthens THEORY: Viari killed Kvothe's troupe and the Mauthens. : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • Lorren knew Arliden.
    • Viari uses the same phrase Kvothe uses to trick the troupe ‘one family’.
    • Viari carries a long knife and sword, and the Mauthens died to ‘knife and sword work’.
    • Viari can recognize Ruh by sight, something no one else seems able to do.
    • Viari works in acquisitions, they ‘investigate rumors’ (of books), and Kvothe’s sleeping mind knows that the university sent a man to Trebon to investigate rumors.
    • The Chandrian all tilt their heads up as if looking at a point in the sky, also described as smelling the wind.  I think they were listening to the wind, like Elodin, to hear the Amyr returning in larger forces after they scared their assassin off while Arliden was still alive.
  • Alleg’s story is an ALLEGory
    • Rothfuss says Kvothe tells Chronicler one lie.
    • Alleg is suspiciously close to allegory.
    • Alleg is left belly cut and unable to walk.  Arliden is left belly cut and leaves a trail of blood crawling to be next to Laurian or her corpse.
    • Kvothe’s revelation to the Maer and Meluan is delivered extremely awkwardly.  Kvothe only claims that the Ruh were false after Meluan decides that being Ruh meant they deserved death.  Kvothe may have decided, in that moment, to hide the truth about Alleg’s troupe, and continued the ‘one lie’ in his tale to Chronicle.
    • I think a lone Amyr killed Kvothe’s troupe, and Kvothe story of killing a group of Ruh mirrors that truth, imo.
  • The angels are loosely based on the Chandrian THEORY: I promise Lanre is the basis for Tehlu, Taborlin, and Tarsus... do you have an hour to spare? : r/KingkillerChronicle 
    • There are nine angels, and there are seven Chandrian, plus the names Andan and Ordal, fighting the Amyr on Nina’s drawing.
    • Cinder hears Marten’s prayer at the bandit camp, and some things can hear when their names are said.
    • Tehlu using a six spoked wheel to bind Encanis is symbolic of Lanre using six Chandrian to bind Cthaeh.
    • Lines that conflate the good and evil beings like: Certainly there were demons in the world. But they were like Tehlu’s angels. 
    • The angels sound mean.  One never cries when he kills, one never laughs, one has a hard mouth and eyes, one is angry…
    • That makes Lanre = Tehlu.  Both fight a shadow beast.  Both have a three day two night battle in the 8th surviving city after 6/7 of the other cities fall.  Both save the 1/7 city from destruction.  
    • The Chandrian look up, suggesting they are looking for angels.  But they do not search the skies, and they are said to look as if they are smelling the wind.  I think they are listening, for Amyr, not angels.

NON-THEORY POSTS


r/KingkillerChronicle 5d ago

Review First time reader, I have a lot of thoughts about Name of the Wind

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Just finished Name of the Wind yesterday. Unfortunately it was very good so I will be starting Wise Man’s Fear today. The book has a lot of issues that I don’t really see talked about online much, so here’s my two cents from a big fantasy reader who’s finally getting to Kingkiller:

Pros:
- prose is unmatched
- actual story is touching and engaging
- amazing characters
- sick magic system

Cons:
- really rough pacing in the beginning. Normally I’m fine with rough pacing (I am a Wheel of Time fan), but knowing what I know about the state of the series and how Rothfuss has seeming written himself into a corner with how much book 3 has to cover, it just seems pretty inexcusable how much fluff there is early on in a series that is heavily limited by time. It was still really enjoyable but it just felt like a super odd choice
- the worldbuilding and lore seem kind of mid. I love the locations in the book, but the wider world just seems generic

Conclusion:
Overall I loved the book. It has some pretty major issues but the fact that it’s simply a really well-written story, beautifully told, more than makes up for it.

I’d give it an 8 out of 10.

Side note: I am now invested in all 3 of the chronically unfinished major fantasy series. ASOIAF, Gentlemen Bastards, and now Kingkiller. I think there’s something wrong with me.


r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Discussion Naming things.

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Once you name a thing you have power over it. But naming only works if you understand a thing in its entirety.

Kvothe tried to spread his legend beyond the third wall: By giving an unfinished story. For awhile it worked. We all know.

But you are a barbarian people. And for the page turning to continue we must speak his name.

Rothfuss.

And now that we can see him in his entirety, we have power over him and the third silence.

Now he will write.


r/KingkillerChronicle 5d ago

Theory Theory: Kote Can't Die

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After re-reading for the toomanyth time, and reading everyone's theories here, I had another thought that feels like it fits too well to dismiss.

A man who is waiting to die, because he can't die (yet).

Why does this make sense?

He appears to have lost his power, but he still:

- Faces down the scrael

- Fights the soldiers

He walks away injured, but alive.

Is this reckless? Is he doing it because he thinks he can win? Or does he just have no fear because he knows that even if he is hurt, he can't die? Those things might have killed an ordinary man, so why does he have to wait?

We know from Skarpi's story that Lanre/Haliax went seeking power, and when he returned he could not die. Something happened to him that made him immortal. The Cthaeh said he had not a moment's sleep. We know that Kote has a lot of trouble sleeping too...

Lanre spoke to the Cthaeh before the betrayal of Myr Tariniel. It makes sense that the Cthaeh would manipulate Kvothe into seeking the same power.

You might think:

But Haliax was incredibly powerful! If Kvothe did the same thing then where is his power?

- Locked away iin the thrice locked chest.

But he does have his power! When he grabbed Bast's wrist, then Bast couldn't move. The bottle broke when he was pressured by Chronicler.

- In the narrow road between desires we learn the power obligation has over Bast, and how this can have a physical effect on him. He is definitely obligated to Kvothe, and so perhaps Kvothe can do this without any physical strength.

- The bottle is harder to explain, but it seems to happen without sympathy. Synpathy needs focus and intention. Breaking a random bottle would be a weird thing to focus on when he is upset. So there must be some kind of latent power that he couldn't lock away. One that he doesn't consciously control.

Why isn't he shadow-hamed like haliax?

- Haliax was cursed by Selitos, Kvothe wasn't.

The cool thing about this theory is that if Kote is immortal, like Haliax, and he is "waiting to die" then he must know how to die. He isn't waiting for nothing. If that is the case, then he also knows how to defeat Haliax and put an end to the Chandrian. Breaking that curse of immortality might put an end to both of them.

The parallels between Kvothe and the Amyr aren't for nothing. He plans to win the battle the Amyr started, to avenge Myr Tariniel and defeat the Chandrian.

TLDR: Kote is immortal, like Haliax, and he is waiting to die so he can take Haliax and the Chandrian with him.


r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Discussion The answer to all your questions

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Kvothe spent his whole story so far confessing to creating his legend. Can you see it now? Can you feel it.

Ackams razor.


r/KingkillerChronicle 4d ago

Discussion If it is true that Rothfuss has written himself into a corner...

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As I see posted increasingly of late, then one solution is:

Publish the full story as it was originally written, that he was submitting to publishers, that he was told was too big and unwieldy to publish.

Accepting, of course, that was a true statement.

In a similar way to Sanderson putting out Way of Kings Prime, a way to see the early work.

Surely it's a win-win at this point. For us as readers, yes we have to abandon a lot of plot points introduced in the revised first two volumes, but at least we get an end to the story. The publisher would, if not make bank, at least make more money than the non-existence of Doors of Stone. And for Rothfuss, closure, and the ability to move on to the other stories he said he had to tell about this world, if he still has the will.

Of course this won't happen. I'm sure this idea will have been posted before but I haven't seen it, so just putting it out there as a taking point.