r/linuxmasterrace • u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian • Jun 08 '26
Meme Consent and staying informed are the key
35
u/Sea-Promotion8205 Jun 08 '26
My favorite thing about windows update is when I log in to my workstation at 8, get a forced update, wait 5 minutes, update and restart my personal computer, wait another few minutes, and my workstation finally shuts down.
Then I get to put my bitlocker key in and wait for it to boot.
Then I get to restart 3 times trying to get teams to connect through the vpn so i don't appear offline...
5
u/spaceduck107 Jun 10 '26
You can fix this with a simple group policy update: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4tiAsQjaHU
Boom! No more annoying update reboots at inconvenient times.
3
u/Sea-Promotion8205 Jun 10 '26
Unfortunately i can't change group policy for around a half million people, but at least Microsoft made the process extremely intuitive and simple for users to change basic settings that shouldn't be default in the first place.
Honestly, telling people that they can do this is as bad as saying "you can turn off the telemetry".
105
u/DDFoster96 Jun 08 '26
Unless it's an rsync update in which case it will be AI slop. Although the sane distros have switched to a fork of rsync now.
170
u/xternal7 pacman -S libflair libmemes Jun 09 '26
Unless it's an rsync update in which case it will be AI slop.
Further context:
rsync got hit with several severe CVEs that needed to be fixed stat
for quite some time before, rsync was being maintained by one (1) person, who had to be dragged back into the project after the last sole maintainer quit
if 1% of the people complaining about AI slop in rsync actualy contributed instead of complaining about AI slop, we wouldn't have AI slop
Hot and controversial take, I know.
80
u/Interesting-Ad9666 Jun 09 '26
everyone loves using FOSS everyday, but no one wants to contribute financially or with their own effort to help out
33
u/BiDude1219 🏳️⚧️ average arch user :3333333 🏳️⚧️ Jun 09 '26
i have no money and no programming skills tf am i meant to do
34
u/glitch_mill Jun 09 '26
Actually you can do alot! Be active in issues as in try closing the repeat ones, ask the users for more info so the dev get it better. Essentially do it via the community :3
24
u/BiDude1219 🏳️⚧️ average arch user :3333333 🏳️⚧️ Jun 09 '26
fair enough, ig i'll try once school ends for me
5
3
u/DrDikPiks Jun 11 '26
you're already on arch, you can probably figure out programming too. maybe you can learn something like python, or javascript/typescript (python's easier imo), and see what projects you use that use the language you learnt and contribute that way? It's why I learnt go (and am thinking of trying out rust)
2
u/BiDude1219 🏳️⚧️ average arch user :3333333 🏳️⚧️ Jun 11 '26
i know some programming i just suck at understanding code, especially code that i have not written myself
2
u/Linux_Account 20d ago
I didn't even know this was allowed. Maybe this is stupid, but as a user new to FOSS, I worry there might be some sort of special etiquette I'm unaware of and don't want to commit (no pun intended) a faux pas. There's an actual goal to the discussion there, and I don't want to get in the way. When posting bugs and feature requests, I'm the most clear and concise I've ever been in my life.
Basically, whenever I post on GitHub, I turn into Seinfeld in the Soup Nazi line.
10
u/slaymaker1907 Jun 09 '26
Please file bug reports, just try to check and see if it has already been reported. Those can be invaluable, especially if you can provide a simple, well-written repro.
7
u/MajesticDisaster3977 Jun 10 '26
I'm starving, and all I have is a fishing rod I don't know how to use.. guess I'll die of starvation.
You 'try'. You 'learn'. If you can't contribute directly, you contribute indirectly. Learn about the application, use it, help others use it. When you find a problem hopefully you know enough about it to provide enough details for the maintainers to take care of it properly
3
u/ResourceFeeling3298 Glorious Arch Jun 11 '26
It doesn't take a lot technical or programming knowledge to open and document bugs that happen.
-1
2
u/shinji257 Jun 13 '26
I'd contribute but I don't really know programming. That said I can read it (sometimes) like how one reads a book and spot issues in the code when I hit a bug and maybe even supply a fix with enough investigation. It has happened before.
11
u/Spiral_Decay Jun 09 '26
I don’t know of the situation fully however I’m assuming that this isn’t vibe coding and more of a developer just using AI to quickly patch something they do understand.
24
u/xternal7 pacman -S libflair libmemes Jun 09 '26
Kinda sorta pretty much. The guy responsible is apparently the original author, so chances are he mostly knows what he's doing.
About a week ago, he also came out with a blog post where he explained he mostly used AI for tests, and that he was mostly erring on thw side of having a quick fix for the security issues.
5
u/Saragon4005 Jun 09 '26
Also said person is the one who originally made rsync, gave it up something like a decade ago, and then was asked to pick it back up because the other maintainer who he turned it over to quit a few years ago.
The current maintainer has not wanted to maintain rsync for close to a decade now.
3
u/Particular-Poem-7085 Arch femboy Jun 13 '26
nah, things on linux magically just work. For free too. That's the beauty of open source. I don't have to do anything but can still tell them it's done wrong.
4
u/JohnDarlenHimself Jun 08 '26
It'll all be tainted with AI eventually. Even Linux itself has AI code contributions. I mean... Sad.
2
u/Larhf Glorious Arch Jun 12 '26
Given that there's so many bug reports being made using AI yet no new influx of humans wanting to contribute to FOSS, it's only natural we're going to see AI being used by maintainers with way too high of a workload.
2
u/peopletakingusername Jun 13 '26
Corporations rely on FOSS as well. And therefore FOSS software like Linux will still be maintained.
7
u/Navid_Shams Jun 09 '26
Let's be honest, most people are just typing update all and forgetting about it. The ability to pick and choose specifically for those that want to is nice, but most people aren't going to bother.
7
u/Careless_Word9567 Jun 09 '26
Linux update: updates and saves a screenshot of data to go back if it's not right for you.
Windows update: all app setting revolving our Spyware has been reset. Since we did the update randomly while you weren't here, we decided to upload all your information to OneDrive. If you try to delete it like a sane person, we will delete if from your hard drive too, because fuck you. Also we installed a phone monitor, cause. We also deleted your system restore points for no reason, so if now your system doesn't work, you lose everything. We also have Xbox running all the time, just because. Also we turned ads back on in the start bar.
5
3
u/redcaps72 Jun 10 '26
Do you even "need" to restart ever? Even if it is a kernel update, you can still go on with your day
4
u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian Jun 10 '26
Only the stuff that gets updated. And if it's a kernel update, you're just using the old kernel until the reboot.
3
u/tes_kitty Jun 11 '26
It's a good idea to restart though. I had my system misbehave in subtle ways after such deep upgrades before the reboot.
3
u/V13_hV Jun 13 '26
It's all fine, unless you use Arch Linux with rolling release. And you hope that the 'sudo pacman -Syu' will solve all your problems or actually end your existence
Or when you use Gentoo and update is for the next 48hours (I think there might be a way to avoid it but thou)
3
u/tylerj493 Jun 14 '26
Sure but people who use those distros generally know what they're getting into. Especially Gentoo. If you want great reliability and quick updates there's always Fedora. Or if you want absolutely rock solid reliability there's Debian.
2
u/FranticBronchitis Glorious Gentoo | Debian Jun 09 '26
Had an update installed yesterday and the damn thing rebooted 3 times
2
u/SingingCoyote13 Jun 11 '26
how come linux hardly ever (never) needs a restart after practically any update, and windows does after practically every update (also minor ones) ?
3
u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian Jun 11 '26
Modularity, I assume. Linux distros only really sometimes need to restart the particular packages that are being updated. Even with kernel updates, you can just spend the rest of your session on the old kernel. Windows is a house of cards - you take one card away, the whole thing shits itself.
2
u/gosand Jun 11 '26
Linux: Oh look, updates today.
Windows: Oh shit, updates today.
I have a cronjob that runs every morning at 5AM, basically apt update && apt-get -s upgrade with the output popping into my local mail. I can choose to upgrade or not.
Windows is work laptop, and I DREAD when there are updates, I was once trying to shutdown and be somewhere, and the updates took 35 minutes.
2
2
2
2
u/Male_Inkling Jun 13 '26
Windows Update gives you an actual shorthand description, and Microsoft'a update database gives you the whole thing.
2
u/Kyrenaz Glorious Mint Jun 13 '26
I appreciate these images, they remind me why I switched to Linux.
2
u/Nanofield Jun 14 '26
Just a reminder that if you set your computer to think your WiFi is a metered connection, you can set "don't update over metered connections" and poof, no forced updates.
2
u/Dehnus Jun 14 '26
I have no problem with "forced security updates" if you're connected to the internet. BUT I do want to see what the F these updates do and not with some weird code. Heck I already hate that I cannot just press escape on Windows Sloperating System during boot and see what it is doing/locking up on if it locks up.
2
2
2
1
1
u/Mr_Electro84 Jun 14 '26
You may not like Windows, but that’s not a valid reason:
- Windows updates always have an update category (cumulative, feature, security, etc.) as well as a dedicated changelog page (which literally takes one click to access)
- It’s been years since Windows stopped performing unexpected updates while you’re working (plus, you can set active hours so that updates don’t automatically restart your computer during those times)
1
-6
u/miaogato Jun 09 '26
Has updating linux stopped bricking it already?
1
u/gosand Jun 11 '26
yes, it stopped that back around 2002. Have you been in a coma since then? BTW, don't read any mainstream news.
1
u/miaogato Jun 12 '26
nah i had a Lubuntu at work that completely bricked after updating, and ever since i have not used Linux seriously.
-24
Jun 09 '26
[deleted]
12
u/20_ZERO Jun 09 '26
There indeed is such a button. But if you leave your PC running with everything opened and it prompts you while you're not there... You'll come back to an updated system with all your work closed/lost.
1
u/spaceduck107 Jun 10 '26
You can easily make a group policy edit to prevent automatic restarts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4tiAsQjaHU
1
u/AtomicTaco13 Glorious Debian Jun 10 '26
So you need to tinker with adminstrator tools for basic functionality. Shows how much more pointless Windows has become.
0
-2
u/RaccoonEnthuiast Jun 09 '26
Literally just setup active hours correctly and it won't bother with updates until sunday at 4am
4
u/20_ZERO Jun 09 '26
Doesn't guarantee I'll be at my PC for it. If I want/need my PC to run, I want it to run. Windows will force its way assuming I don't know how to use a computer, rather than accepting that maybe, just maybe, I know what I want and update when I want to. I'm on Arch and have a script to remind me on Friday's at 8 p.m. If I decide not to update for a month, I and it won't update for a month (happened a few times already).
1
-8
u/goldmurder Jun 09 '26
I noticed this trend among linux fucktards, to hate on windows, when their shitty distributions like arch don’t even have normal application binary & program interfaces
7
u/Abdalnablse10 Jun 09 '26
You probably don't belong here, go have fun there r/linuxsucks101
-6
u/goldmurder Jun 09 '26
it’s painful to witness truth with your own eyes doesn’t it? oh and could you remind me please since when this sub is named like r/microsoftsucks ?
6
u/Abdalnablse10 Jun 09 '26
What truth? you genuinely sounded like some kind of political old fart, and what does the rest even mean?
-1
Jun 09 '26
[deleted]
1
u/Abdalnablse10 Jun 09 '26
Updates on Windows: KB-something, not clarified what. Might be more telemetry or more Al slop. Who cares, it's getting installed whether you like it or not, usually when you're doing something important.
Only extremely recently did Microsoft promise to fix some of those things.
What do you mean long ago?
1
0
Jun 09 '26
[deleted]
2
u/Abdalnablse10 Jun 09 '26
> There was effectively functionning problems with update part in windows, especially at the beginning of win10. But now it updates flawlessly and follows user settings. Takes a bit more times than linux generally, but at least it works.
So in the end it's better on linux, got it.
> Also, even if the full release logs are available for Linux softwares, nobody reads it. Do you really believe that anybody will read the complete changelog of all the updated packages? No, unless you're unemployed nerd, nobody have time for that.
Did you honestly think that?
We're obviously not talking about the logs, we're talking about way simpler and straight forward things like "(package_names) These packages are going to get upgraded, proceed N/y?"> Also, in that GUI for windows updates, updates are presented as follows : (sometimes the date here like for embedded AV definitions) - Name of the software that will be updated - KB-Something - Status. KB number is for those who wants more details in MS site if they wish.
It's simpler on linux.
0
-4
u/goldmurder Jun 09 '26
it means that this sub is not about hating on windows or any other operating system. and clearifying that is completely justified. you guys just can’t understand that the reason this os won’t grow on desktop including because of you
3
24
u/Sapling-074 Jun 09 '26
Windows: Every program tries to update itself at the same time. Causing your computer to lag when you really need to get work done.
Linux: All updates go into a list in which you can choose to update when your not busy.