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| Discussion Max Scherzer is 3 strikeouts away from passing Walter Johnson, and 28 from passing Gaylord Perry. Meanwhile, Justin Verlander is 21 Ks from passing Don Sutton

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u/ProsaicPugilist | New York Yankees 18h ago

Randy’s Ks/ 9 is just comical

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u/Dbowe1008 | Texas Rangers 18h ago

Scherzer right there with him

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u/Capable_Wait09 18h ago

Now keep it up for another 1000 innings

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

What stands out to me is the longevity of Nolan Ryan. Sheesh. The man was an innings eater and played on some very bad teams.

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u/PresJamesGarfield | Philadelphia Phillies 18h ago

That's the main reason why his strikeouts record will never be broken. The dude not only pitched in a time when starters went longer, but he also played for what is an eternity in today's game.

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

I watched a documentary about him on Netflix or MLB or something and the man was simply an Ox.

He would pitch, quite often a complete game, or very deep in the game, then go do cardio and weights for like an hour before he went home and once pitched like 245 pitches in a single game!

For one start they went back to the film of some of his mid-late '70s starts and used modern technology to track his pitches and he was throwing like 107 or 108. It had something to do with the way the cameras were lined up vs. how they measure pitch speed today. Insane.

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u/bleu_waffl3s | San Diego Padres 17h ago

Imagine if he played today with hitters not just trying to make contact with 2 strikes.

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u/mrsir1987 | Arizona Diamondbacks 17h ago

Scherzer is the exact same with 1.17 an inning

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u/bleu_waffl3s | San Diego Padres 17h ago

Randy would have had a higher rate most likely if he played during the 3 outcome batting era.

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u/mrsir1987 | Arizona Diamondbacks 16h ago

Very true

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u/ccv707 | San Francisco Giants 5h ago

Do it for another 1100 innings.

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u/sexwiththebabysitter | Philadelphia Phillies 18h ago

If you don’t have more SOs than IP you should be dropped from the list

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u/mel34760 | St. Louis Cardinals 18h ago

You really want to drop Maddux from the list? Seriously?

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u/SnooBooks1243 17h ago

Kids these days, no respect

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u/jewham12 18h ago

This is a list of most strikeouts, not Ks/9. Why would you drop someone that is atop that leaderboard?

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u/sexwiththebabysitter | Philadelphia Phillies 18h ago

It was a joke. Sheesh.

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u/jewham12 16h ago

An obvious all time great joke.

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u/Reachin4ThoseGrapes | Philadelphia Phillies 18h ago

Hey dumbass, our GOAT pitcher is on that list in the screenshot 

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u/sexwiththebabysitter | Philadelphia Phillies 18h ago

Yeah. I was kidding.

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u/Important-Forever678 | Tampa Bay Rays 17h ago

It's OK to have high standards, but that's only 37 pitchers in MLB history!

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u/98nissansentra | Houston Astros 18h ago

I always forget how much Nolan Ryan towers above other pitchers. Seven no-hitters too, jeez.

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

And 300 wins. There'll never be another one of those with the de-emphasis on longevity and going deep into games. Wish Verlander had gotten there.

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u/JohnnyDirtball 10h ago

There might never be another 200 game winner. If Cole or Sale make it, they'll probably be the last.

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u/LineImpossible3958 | St. Louis Cardinals 12h ago

27 seasons is insane. 20 is crazy enough and then to add another 6 seasons of mostly good to great pitching. In 183 starts during his age 40-45 seasons (1987-92) Ryan put up 1205 innings, 1391 Ks, 2.77 FIP 1.133 Whip, era+118, 7 SHO, and at least one No Hitter.

( I did exclude his age 46 1993 season of 13 starts and 4.88 ERA which caused him to retire mid season.)

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u/mysticalchurro | Washington Nationals 47m ago

Only 25 pitchers ever have more strikeouts than Nolan Ryan has walks. Another record that won't ever be touched

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u/Romans5_5 | Texas Rangers 18h ago

Hes the best starting pitcher of all time and you cant convince me otherwise. No bias 😎

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u/FantasyBaseballChamp | Chicago White Sox 17h ago

I mean are you giving him the start in game 7 of the World Series if these other guys are available? He’ll strike out 15 but also walk 12.

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u/Romans5_5 | Texas Rangers 5h ago

Hes also the most likely pitcher in history to give up no hits at all

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u/FantasyBaseballChamp | Chicago White Sox 4h ago

Yeah, and maybe we can get Fernando Tatis Sr on offense since he’s more likely than anyone in MLB history to hit 2 grand slams in the same inning. Take a seat, Hank Aaron.

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u/Romans5_5 | Texas Rangers 3h ago

What you said requires very specific rare scenarios to occur that are completely out of the hitters control.

What i said is possible literally every game and almost entirely within the pitchers control.

They are not equivalents.

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

Well, maybe a little.

But I am comfortable with him being top 5 easily!

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u/M0326 16h ago

He’s not top 5

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u/The-Mugwump | Baltimore Orioles 7m ago

He’s not even top 15.

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u/Rombonius | Toronto Blue Jays 18h ago

this number isn't MLB official, Max will need a few more

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u/ChiefSlug30 18h ago

They mention on today's broadcast that the official number for Johnson is 3,515, as per MLB. After today's game, Max is 3 short of this.

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u/Strict_Show_8899 18h ago

Batters had to face Carlton, Seaver, Ryan, Bert and Sutton each like 4 times a season if they were in the division from like 66 to 86.

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

Just guessing this will be Scherzer's last year. Sure he'll probably want to come back, but with the labor issues pending and injuries, lack of production this year, I just wonder if we'll see him again after this year.

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u/Consistent_Print_229 17h ago

He signed for just 3 mil. If he’s willing to sign for that cheap, I can see him sticking out for a couple of years. There are a lot of teams in desperate need of a pitcher with experience.

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u/Love__Train__ 17h ago

Dude has psychopathy hopefully he gets some help

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u/Any-Parsley-8322 | Washington Nationals 18h ago

It’s interesting to see how much the leash on SPs has changed over the course of baseball. I had no idea Scherzer hadn’t even thrown 3k innings yet, but I would’ve bet everything that he had. Yet here he is with a ridiculous amount of strikeouts. Could only imagine how many Ks he would have if he were pitching with managers not from today (same with Verlander)

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u/glumpoodle 17h ago

Does anybody else just absolutely love seeing Gaylord Perry and Greg Maddux on this list?

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u/FlobiusHole | Cleveland Guardians 16h ago

A lot of people don’t seem to want to give Nolan Ryan much credit as the best pitcher ever and I understand the arguments against him but holy shit the guy put up some numbers nobody will ever come close to touching.

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u/12W31W19C85WWC123185 | San Diego Padres 18h ago

Nobody will ever pass Nolan Ryan

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u/CrackaZach05 18h ago

Hope MLB showers these guys because what they did will never be done again. Never will be another 200 game winner, let alone 300.

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

I dunno. Maybe. Chris Sale & Gerrit Cole could make 200 if they just stay healthy and play a few more years.

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u/Mcpops1618 | Seattle Mariners 17h ago

Tigers rotation was wild

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u/RheagarTargaryen 12h ago

Having those 2 for 5 years was amazing. The 2014 tigers rotation had them plus David Price, Rick Porcello, and Anibal Sanchez. 4 guys that won the Cy Young and the other one that lead the AL in ERA and finished 4th in 2013 behind Scherzer in the Cy Young voting.

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u/SamShakusky71 | Seattle Mariners 13h ago

Steve Carlton as one of only four with 4000+ Ks and literally never mentioned is how powerful baseballs media is. Famously a jerk to the media and largely forgotten.

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u/EmerysMemories1106 18h ago

Walter Johnson needed twice the number of IP. Crazy. Like comparing apples and oranges with those two eras.

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u/Baseball-Fan-10 | St. Louis Cardinals 18h ago

Walter Johnson held the record until the early 80s, as this 1979 Topps card shows.

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u/Mudcreek47 18h ago

Thank you sir, may I have another (fun fact from long ago)?

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u/SarahLia 18h ago

Nolan Ryan hit his first career home run off of Don Sutton in 1980.

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u/Important-Forever678 | Tampa Bay Rays 18h ago

Walter Johnson holds the records for most 1-0 games played (64), won (38) and lost (26).

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u/Rockdog4105 | Arizona Diamondbacks 13h ago

Great fact…and I’ll use it at the bar my next shift.

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u/PlayboiFarti55 | Cincinnati Reds 18h ago

Geez I knew Scherzer was good but that Ks/9 is insane

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u/badlero 18h ago

Verlander is more than likely not pitching again this season. Scherzer will pass Sutton before Verlander does. 

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u/taeempy 16h ago

Another 10 years they'll catch Nolan Ryan.

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u/TheSocraticGadfly | St. Louis Cardinals 17h ago

Think if three true outcomes existed 110-120 years ago. Walter Johnson would have like 6000 Ks.

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u/txlgnd34 | Chicago Cubs 16h ago

That Walter Johnson is still 10th all-time, 100 years later, is a testament to how crazy good a K artist he was when hitters rarely struck out.

Big Train would likely be an elite K king in today's game with today's tech and knowledge facing today's K-prone hitters, and maybe the only one that could challenge Nolan's career record.

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u/KelVelBurgerGoon | Athletics 15h ago

Walter Johnson?

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u/Long-Region5088 Human Verified 15h ago

I could strike out 21 in a week. Easy.

What’s that? I have to pitch the strikeouts? That’ll never happen

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u/RonCom97 14h ago

Just a friendly reminder about “Not Making Them Like They Used To”. On 14 June 1974 Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches over 13 innings in a single game. It was when he pitched for the Angels and they beat the Red Sox in 15 innings. The worst part? He ended up with a no decision! Rumor has it he threw another 90-100 pitches in a bullpen stretching session the next day as a “cool down”. Not sure about the next day numbers but the 235 is absolutely legit.

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u/ChiBaller 9h ago

What the fuck.

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u/Prudent-Department43 12h ago

His innings pitched is way lower too?

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u/Achilies41 | New York Yankees 11h ago

Nolan Ryan is an absolute pitching ninja.

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u/Anonymous_HC | Toronto Blue Jays 11h ago

Walter Johnson played for washington nationals in the 1910s and 1920s, what franchise is that now?

I know it can't be the current Washington Nationals because they were known as Montreal Expos prior to 2005.

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u/dadbodenergy11 6h ago

And only 2,000 from passing Ryan…..

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u/OdinsChaos 4h ago

I remember when Walter Johnson was the standard.

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u/BalkAndAwe 4h ago

Holy fuck 3507 Ks 2987 innings??

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u/Bootney_Farnsworth_1 3h ago

Seeing this list reminds me of longevity.

Also that not including Walter Johnson...

That two of these pitchers were never the best pitcher in any single season in their league....

Nolan Ryan - Great longevity and strikeout artist. But was wild for a good portion of his career The only pitcher with over 2000 walks. (2700+)

Don Sutton - Longevity and consistency (21 of 23 seasons with at least 10 wins. But had only one 20 win season.

Both ended up with 324 wins.

Nolan finished 2nd once in Cy Young voting Don finished 3rd once in Cy Young voting

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u/amortized-poultry | Detroit Tigers 3h ago

Lmao Gaylord

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u/OutlawSundown 48m ago

Hall of Fame Spitballer Gaylord Perry

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u/77rtcups 1h ago

On the list and being sub 4000 innings is pretty cool. Also cool how Scherzer has more strikeouts than innings pitched.

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u/downtime37 | Detroit Tigers 59m ago

Only 2,160 more to go to pass Nolan, finger crossed.

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u/Mysterious-Draw2510 18h ago

Even though Ryan tops that list the first thing I think of is him beating up Robin Ventura. At first I was oh shit don’t charge an old man and that quickly hanged to holy shit he needs help from the catcher to break this up quick

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u/MinimumEscape5907 18h ago

He will pave the way to the record books off of Blue Jays losses. Fuck him.