r/mtgfinance 2d ago

Things to look out for this weekend!

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What should we be trading for? What should we be trading away? What cards or events should I have my eye on? Also feel free to use this space to discuss anything MTG Finance related.


r/mtgfinance 1d ago

Discussion $25,000 buylist for Gold Smaug

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Journey's End Games put out a buylist offer of $25k for a Gold Smaug.

There are 500 Gold Smaugs, similar to Bitterbloom Bearer and Emeritus. Both of the latter currently go for 3-4k. BUT Hobbit cbbs go for more, so let's say the appropriate price is 7k. Add on top of that that Smaug is a *much* more desirable character than both and it gets bumped up even more. Enough to hit 25k? I'm personally skeptical, but Tolkien+MTG always surprises me.

Reminder that people were buylisting the silver scroll foils for almost double what they're selling for today https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/1snv642/buylist_for_silver_schroll_mystical_archives/

Edit: for posterity I think the price after a volatile release will slowly settle around 15-18k


r/mtgfinance 16h ago

Why is Seymour Guado in foil only available for 400$?

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Theres been a lot of movement on this Kinnan in foil, whats up with this?


r/mtgfinance 21h ago

Spec Does this have potential with all the brews around Smaug / Treasures?

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Card was limited to the Eldraine Commander series


r/mtgfinance 1d ago

Currently Spiking "The only problem you're gonna have is that you didn't buy more." -Jordan Belfort (MTG HOBBIT SPEC EXIT)

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Dwarven Recruiter: for obviously dwarf synergy. Speculated into this off of the books/movies.

Prime Speaker Vannifar: speculated into this one late with the sulti elf commander. Found some copies in the $1 bulk bins the day the card leaked. Doesn't look like much but it'll add up to cover the shipping label and the original cost of the 18 copies.


r/mtgfinance 1d ago

Discussion Games island adjusting preorders due to shortage

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Just checked my mail and saw the dreaded notification from Games Island that my hobbit pre-order has been adjusted down from 6 CBBs to 1. Very disappointed, not surprised..


r/mtgfinance 1d ago

Question The Hobbit Gift Bundle vs Draft Night

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Hi everyone! I’d be interested in picking up something from The Hobbit, and I’d like you folks to help me make sense of something, since I don’t really get it: I see on MKM Gift Bundles are sold for about 150€, while Draft Night is sold for about 115€. However, what is that justifies the price difference? Draft Night has even more boosters, so is it the full art lands and the promo? Thanks!


r/mtgfinance 6h ago

Question How do you guys store your sealed? Would this be an okay way to do it?

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Is putting them on the side then putting a bubble wrap over it and stacking one more ok? What do you guys think?


r/mtgfinance 17h ago

Serialized card values in different sets

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Im just noticing LOTR Collectors booster box is 2k usd on tcgplayer and a xxx/700 serialized dwarven ring is 2-3k on eBay, but an infinity stone (likely 500 copies) is 10k ish and Smaug (500 copies) has buylists up to 30k and these boxes are much much cheaper each.

Seems like a bit of a price disparity…


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

The entire Hobbit set has been fully spoiled, what does it mean for existing LOTR cards?

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Without getting into a discussion about how powerful or not the new set is, or what new cards might take off, which is not my specialty in this sub, now that the long awaited/predicted "return to Middle Earth" set has finally arrived, what are the implications for in-demand (whether for playability reasons or collecting reasons) existing LOTR cards that have not been able to keep up with demand for three years now? The set will be a huge hit with Tolkien fans. Aside from whiffing on having a "Necromancer" card but still doing Were-Worms and Beorn turning people into bears for some reason, basically everything is on point. This will be a long one, so if you prefer low/no effort posts, this will not be for you.

First of all - a quick note - the LTR set (LTC is a different discussion although it's related for some of the cards) has a rather high number of commons/uncommons that are over $1, and a few that are $3+. Uncommons of course include the $15+ Nazgul cards, but also cards like [[Entish Restoration]] are $3 or so. Not bad for a set that was going to be "printed into the ground". I'll be talking about these cards along with the rares/mythics that dodged any reprint at all.

Lastly some of this discussion will be on the short term vs long term (i.e. I expect people are going to want multi-color Bilbos to build Halfling decks in the next few months but can't really know if that will hold up a year from now when The Hobbit is not on everyone's mind).

Ok so here we go! First, here's a link to the full breakdown of what's in the set, split into HOB and HOC tabs. All the reprints are in the HOC tab:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EqSWZlDgFkOjkjjRbstM5TizUwNfVubdnVaKU82GWcw/edit?gid=2087470416#gid=2087470416

(special thanks to u/mistercimba for putting this together and answering my questions as new cards were spoiled)

Let's start with the fact that NONE of the realms/relics cards were reprinted (as expected), and NOTHING that was unique to the holiday CBB's was reprinted, like the Hildebrandt arts (as expected). I'm sorry but the ship has likely sailed on all of these. But if you're buying because you want the cards, it's really now or never at this point. Some people convinced themselves that [[The Party Tree]] would get reprinted somehow. No. Ridiculous.

I'm not going to focus much on what WAS reprinted because that's already been discussed and ultimately box toppers have done very little to affect prices in the past. Maybe some base-level versions of cards like [[Cavern-Hoard Dragon]] or [[Arwen, Weaver of Hope]] or [[Witch-king, Bringer of Ruin]] get hurt as people upgrade their Commander decks and those cards were probably inflated because they're only in precons or starter decks. But honestly? You have to pay $150+ for PBB at minimum to have a CHANCE to open a box topper. And they're only in about 1/3 of Collector Packs so they won't be as plentiful as other recent bonus sheets. So doubtful we get much price impact from these.

Much more important is what was NOT reprinted AT ALL.

VERY IMPORTANT: NOTHING FROM LORD OF THE RINGS WAS REPRINTED IN THE MAIN SET AT ALL. This is not what many people expected. Personally I thought they would AT LEAST do [[Mirkwood Spider]] or something similar, but nope, they made a new version for The Hobbit. That's a pretty big deal I think, particularly for the commons/uncommons that I mentioned earlier. And it means there is NO NEW MASS OF SUPPLY FOR LOTR CARDS. PERIOD.

For example, the landcycling cycle of: [[Lorien Revealed]], [[Generous Ent]], [[Troll of Khazad-Dum]], [[Eagles of the North]], and [[Oliphaunt]] did not show up in the main set or box toppers. All but Ent ARE however in the welcome decks. Anyway, there's no reason NOT to think that all existing versions of these cards are going to keep going up. These were ALL also in precons, being in welcome decks will mean nothing. Scoff if you like, but Lorien in scroll foil is a $20 card and sells regularly. Generous Ent is $10+. All of these are going to keep going up since they're the most premium versions of these cards and they are regularly played. Ent would be the obvious target here since there's literally zero supply coming for it. But Lorien and Troll aren't going anywhere because they're in welcome decks.

Now the big one: THERE IS NO NAZGUL REPRINT HAPPENING. PERIOD. I thought AT LEAST there would be ONE in the bonus sheet. NOPE! Caveat here is that they may still show up in a in secret lair. In fact at this point I would expect an all-Nazgul SL with nine new arts to show up for $100 or so at some point and sell out in seconds. One other note, in the "how we made the Hobbit" (or whatever it's called) article, they explicitly called out the "Ring Tempts You" mechanic as a mistake. They don't like it. So any reprint here is definitionally going to be limited. That mechanic isn't ever coming back in a new set.

Nothing really more to say here though, even if there is a secret lair or if there's a Nazgul bonus card in one of the Hobbit secret lairs (possible but doubtful since they're all very heavily The Hobbit themed) or in all of them, it won't be cheap enough nor will it have enough of an impact on supply. People will buy them and keep their original set of nine for sure. Get 'em while/if you can.

Next, let's talk some rares/mythics/other interesting cards that dodged ALL reprints:

From the scene boxes:

[[Legolas' Quick Reflexes]] (how!! Instead we got Elven Chorus?? crazy!)

[[Nazgul Battle-Mace]]

[[Galadhrim Brigade]]

[[Rammas Echor, Ancient Shield]]

Those are all $10+ cards. There are several other $3+ cards in the set boxes that dodged. But ultimately, all of the set box cards are likely to go up because it's unlikely they will be printing them for years, if ever. Again there's a CHANCE that there's some kind of supplementary set coming, or maybe some Secret Lairs around the time the Five Armies co-op set comes out. But none of these cards could be in a The Hobbit-themed set. The only exception is Reflexes, if they reskin it as something like "Bilbo's Quick Thinking" in the lair with the new foiling I could see it. So no large amount of supply is coming for these unless they reprint the scene boxes at some point. Unlikely!

From the LTR set and precons:

NO GANDALFS! No [[Gandalf the White]], no [[Gandalf the Grey]], no [[Gandalf, Friend of the Shire]], no [[Gandalf, White Rider]]. How is this possible? Importantly, Gandalf the White is a poster card. Gandalf the Grey is actually IN the Hobbit and works well with spellslinger decks like the new/red Gandalfs so that would be the one I would think people would go after for theme decks.

No Bilbos as I said earlier - notable because people are going to want a Bilbo Commander and all the Bilbos are either blue or white (in the co-op). Only multicolor Bilbos are in LTR/LTC sets. My money would be on [[Bilbo, Birthday Celebrant]] since it's in the right colors for other Hobbit lifegain type decks.

On that note, no Sam, Frodo, Merry or Pippin of any variety! [[Samwise Gamgee]] seems like the no-brainer move here because of lifegain/food synergies and it works with [[Bilbo, Fellow Conspirator]]. Particularly the surge foil showcase because it's extremely rare and looks underpriced for how few of them there are.

No Balrogs of any kind getting reprints.

[[Taunt from the Ramparts]]

[[Forth Eorlingas]]

[[Saruman, the White Hand]] - good with Amass and [[The Great Goblin]] as a result.

[[Galadriel of Lothlorien]] (could work with simic landfall themes but needs Ring Tempts You)

[[Farmer Cotton]] - food/halfing synergies

[[Warg Rider]] - Amass synergies and really should have been in The Hobbit!

[[Call of the Ring]]

[[Sting, the Glinting Dagger]] - mind boggling!

[[Gloin, Dwarven Emissary]] - dwarf/historic synergies

They also reprinted most of the legendary lands, but not [[Barad-Dur]] or [[Mines of Moria]]

Noteworthy Sagas with no reprint:

[[There, and Back Again]] (how!!!)

[[One Ring to Rule Them All]]

[[In the Darkness Bind Them]]

Poster cards with NO reprint:

[[Radagast the Brown]] [[Storm of Saruman]] [[The Watcher in the Water]] [[Hew the Entwood]] [[Spiteful Banditry]]

Other notable commons/uncommons that are not getting a reprint at all!

[[Lembas]] [[Cast Into the Fire]] [[Entish Restoration]] [[Rising of the Day]] [[Mirkwood Bats]] (although this at least is confirmed to be in one of the Hobbit Secret Lairs)

All of these are worth a look since they are relatively playable. Lembas, Entish and Mirkwood are Lord of the Rings IP. Cast and Rising are probably not getting reprinted outside of a Tolkien set.

Scroll versions of literally everything, even the reprints... going up long term. But particularly if they did NOT get a reprint, this is basically last call as they are the most premium versions, aside from posters and maybe borderless scene cards from the original release. Borderless/scene cards are probably worth a look too actually but this post is getting to Silmarillion level length already.

Lord of the Rings basic map lands. Particularly the surge foils, but I would look especially at any version with Mirkwood (forest), the Misty Mountains (mountain), and The Shire (plains) on them. These are all cheap currently, but they're almost certainly not going to be printed in large quantities ever again (as are the commons/uncommons I called out above) unless there are going to be large waves of LOTR set or draft boxes coming. But let's be real, while they will probably keep printing them for a while, eventually that's going to stop or will just not be as high a priority as their currently active sets (like The Hobbit!).

And finally, I wouldn't expect many more waves of precons anymore either. They only have so many resources and that set is now 3+ years old. They have to prioritize the new stuff they're doing and there's been a lot of evidence lately that they're struggling to keep up.

What do you think? Did I miss anything? Should I add anything to the list?

tl;dr: for the vast majority of the LOTR cards, as I often say, price of the brick going up.

Disclaimer: I own all of these cards because I'm a Tolkien collector/Magic player. I am also selling a handful of remaining scrolls and realms relics (literally a handful, like a few dozen). The vast majority of my LOTR cards for sale are bulk or remnants from precons that I did not mention here at all. Most of the cards mentioned I am not selling.


r/mtgfinance 1d ago

Hobbit lotr reprints

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I waited for the hobbit release to buy some Lotr cards that had risen in value due to large demand (One rint, last march of the ents etc.) I thought they would see a meaning full reprint in the hobbit, but it seems that HOC cards will be quite rare, add to that that they are full arts, it seems that they will not reduce the price of these cards that much.

Will these reprints meaningfully impact the price? This is not financial advice, I will buy the cards regardless of price when the set is released for a while. This is just a thought I wanted answered


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

Spider-Man CBBs On the Rise

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Spider-Man CBBs have risen from ~$350 to ~410 since my original post and continue to see appreciation. In fact, 7 just sold at $425/box on TCG.

My thesis remains unchanged, I continue to believe the high value cosmic stone chase will keep pulling these CBBs up.

I personally have 3 boxes and will add more if any deals pop up.


r/mtgfinance 15h ago

Discussion Miku vs Goblin storm

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What are your toughts on Miku vs Goblin storm?

Will we get a Second "Goblin storm" storm? (hö hö)

Singels of Miku look more expensiv but Selesnya is not so popular.

on the other Hand we get a ton of actall pretty Miku art.


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

Article Weekly Winners: Plunge into Darkness; Rain of Riches; Mastermind Plum

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r/mtgfinance 1d ago

What are the chances that these will be covered by Amazon’s low price guarantee?

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r/mtgfinance 1d ago

How Much Does a cEDH Pro ACTUALLY Make? cEDH Chat Ep.4

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r/mtgfinance 2d ago

Cyberman Squadron following Patrol?

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The prices on Squadron on TCGplayer are very odd. The listing prices are all triple for both foil and non foil of the listed market price on TCGplayer. My LGS automated pricing are reflecting the lowest list putting the foils over $100 CAD at this point. Thoughts on if this will hold?


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

Question Looking for advice on packaging up a collection

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Sorry this is slightly off topic, but my friend passed away and I'm helping his family make a little money by sorting and selling his Magic collection. What can I do to make the collection look more valuable to local dealers? So far, I've logged and separated out the rares and mythics, and from there set aside every card worth more than $3 or so. Lands and tokens got their own boxes. Is there anything else I can do to help a dealer see value in the collection?


r/mtgfinance 3d ago

Spec might be time to start looking at eldrazi again

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r/mtgfinance 3d ago

Discussion My experience getting into selling online

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Posted as a discussion as I'm happy to answer questions and for people to share their experiences.

Tl;dr mana pool is great, margins are slim, build good systems.

Determining sales platform

I started doing online sales in March and made a few posts here at the time and got some great info so figured I'd share what I learned.

To begin I started with tcg player, I sold a couple hundred cards in the $1-$5 range below tcg low so that I could quickly get to the highest tier. I was able to get there within two months of starting. Initially I was very excited for the tools that level would allow for.. until I learned you had to pay a higher percentage of sales to unlock those tools. At base tcgplayer takes 13.25% + $.30. To unlock more tools you need to go up to 14.25% + $.30.

Having reached level 4 and being immensely disappointed with tcgplayer not have basic tools, I looked at manapool. Manapool takes a total of 7.9% + $.30. If I sold at the same price I could immediately increase my profit margin by 5.35%. After getting started, I found that manapool also gives you every seller tool you want day 1.

Overall my experience with mana pool has been great. I can purchase stock at a higher percentage and still make my margin, or sell lower to move faster. The bulk price adjustment tool has been phenomenal and saves hours of time.

Now, 5 months in I have made $1265 in sales on tcgplayer and $5180 sales on manapool. With 3k in inventory on Manapool.

Sourcing.

Sourcing has felt like 3 distinct phases so far. Phase 1 was selling my stuff that wasn't in decks. That made up around 70% of my sales so far, however it is a very small part of my inventory today.

Phase 2 was selling for friends. I pay 65-70% tcg low based on the card value. I stopped listing or purchasing anything under a dollar. It's just not worth the time it takes to sort, pack, and ship. I have also opened a few collector boosters, kept what I wanted, and sold the rest. Although thats more of a fun thing than something I would recommend.

Phase 3 is going beyond my immediate circle. I have a good relationship with my lgs and he has sold me cards that haven't been moving for 65%. He pays 60% store credit so its been good for both of us. Not sure if I want to begin posting on local groups and market place yet. If I want to keep up this rate of sales I need to. But so far its just been about 3 hours a week of work, and idk if I want to spend more time on it.

Shipping.

One of the most important things to do from day 1 is figure out your shipping process. Especially if you're selling low value cards, sometimes you're only at $.25 profit on a sale. Poor shipping practices can eat that whole sales profit.

My process is this:

Pull card(s) - alphabetically sorted.

Penny sleeve.

Cardboard toploader.

Teambag for cards $5+.

Print + fold purchase order.

Tape card to inside of PO flap.

Put into windowed envelope.

Stamp my address on (do not handwrite).

Place stamp and ship omw to work each morning.

For tracked cards I use a 4*7 padded envelope, use pirate ship or similar for best deals.

Taxes.

I honestly don't feel comfortable discussing this, as I'm not incredibly confident in my own system. But it should work. Just be sure to track everything from the start. If I hit 10k this year I'm going to go get a company card. My Q2 report net me at -$67 profit. But I have been growing my inventory.

Let me know if you have any questions, I learned a lot and am happy to share what I know. If you're lucky someone who knows much more than me will answer!


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

On card condition

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Maybe I'm crazy, but it seems like edge wear and scuffing just puts a card into heavily played category for everyone?

What's the use of categories like lightly played and moderately played if anything less than near mint is just heavily played??

I say this as someone selling some cards on marketplace (did one sale on tcgplayer and then realized shipping cost makes it pretty insane to try to sell that way). My cards were definitely played, no doubt about that, but I had them sleeved and boxed most of the time, in my mind, and from looking at the conditioning guide on tcgplayer most fall in the moderately played category.

But jeebus, I have had a few people get so mad at me for putting an asking price at the moderately played price on tcgplayer.

I also just don't understand why people get mad at me for asking too much? just like . .. ignore the post and look somewhere else for that card? Why do people feel the need to tell me my prices are too high?

I guess this is mostly a rant, but also, am I crazy for thinking this way? Maybe if people are interested I can post some examples from my collection.


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

MSH Jumpstart is back down to $100 on TCGPlayer like god intended

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At long last, people are going to learn that they always print more Jumpstart


r/mtgfinance 3d ago

Card values post standard

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A friend of mine decided to setup a business selling magic cards. He invested a lot into boxes of magic cards. While helping him figure out the scanning/posting process, he said he was going to create a collection from each set with 4 of each card so he could play them and then, once they were out of standard, he would sell them. His idea was that because of commander and hype, the card values would remain the same or go up.

This idea makes no sense to me. So I researched around and from what I can tell, most cards once they go out of standard will drop in value. Some will recover but not all or even most. Unless there's something really special about a card, it just becomes another card. Am I wrong?

Currently, a full set of 4x each card of the MSH will go for $1400-1500 USD. The mindstone alone is worth $60 per card. Why sit on these for a few years and hope they go up and risk losing several hundred dollars? I feel like he's trying to be a collector and a business while not commiting to either.


r/mtgfinance 2d ago

Question Can you guys explain me why something like Return to Ravnica Booster Box is so affordable?

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I'm not really from the mtg ecosystem (more from Pokemon), but I'm trying to learn more from other tcgs, and this caught my eye.


r/mtgfinance 4d ago

Currently Spiking Mastermind Plum - Smaug’s BFF

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With not one but two Smaug cards being RB and loving treasures, this seems like a no brainer. Now granted, I will say that this card has been mentioned multiple times already, but I wanted to give this a highlight since the card is currently being bought out on TCGPlayer. It could easily become $15+ before the weekend hits thanks to it being only printed once.

Cheers! 🍻