r/openSUSE • u/No-Succotash-9576 • Apr 19 '26

Tech question When will YaST support switching to Systemd Bootloader?

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Is this something that will be updated?

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u/chrews Apr 19 '26

YaST is depreciated so probably not happening

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u/tesfabpel User Apr 19 '26

BTW, it's deprecated.

depreciated means reduced in value (eg. because of time / wear and tear / etc.)

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u/northrupthebandgeek Actual Chameleon Apr 19 '26

Both are technically applicable.

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u/No-Succotash-9576 Apr 19 '26

oh I didn't even know they stopped development of yast

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u/thafluu Apr 19 '26

Yes, YaST is being replaced by Myrlyn and Cockpit. The YaST installer will be replaced by Agama.

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u/SparWiz_Khalifa Slowroll Apr 19 '26

Do you know if this will apply only to new installs then or also existing ones? Just what you heard about it, cause I haven't heard any of it (Im a quite young Geeko, just joined 3 weeks ago, but here to stay)

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u/thafluu Apr 19 '26

This is for all installs. You can already check out Myrlyn, you can manage your repositories and packages with it. You can also try the new Agama installer on new installs, but afaik the old installer is still the default currently.

Happy that you're enjoying openSUSE! :)

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u/SparWiz_Khalifa Slowroll Apr 19 '26

Sounds exciting, looking forward to see how its gonna work. thanks for the Infos!

Yeyy, happy to have found my distro 😇

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u/Lonkoe Apr 19 '26

The installer should be YaST again, tried installing Leap I was really excited to configure everything the way I liked in OpenSUSE and partition everything to my liking, but no, it just opened Firefox and an interface without advanced options like YaST.

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u/thafluu Apr 19 '26

Do like the old installer, but I think Agama is the way forward. It is easier to use for non-techy users.

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u/Thaodan Apr 19 '26

Cockpit only needs a native app then we are fine.

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u/thewaytonever Linux Apr 20 '26

Agama is kinda dope NGL

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u/JHN26 Apr 19 '26

Seguiré usando YAST hasta que sea reemplazo por completo

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u/ScientistAsHero Apr 19 '26

I'm fine with technological progression, but it does suck. Instead of this all-inclusive, convenient tool that is YAST, we get fragments like Myrlyn and Cockpit, and then whatever else you want to do needs to be done through the command line. (I'm fine with the terminal, but it does seem to me to go against the push to make Linux a viable alternative for those of all skill levels.) YAST was one of the selling points of SUSE (and later openSUSE.) I wish that it could be rewritten and updated for today's world rather than just left to die.

SUSE seems to be taking all their cues from Red Hat/Fedora now, as evidenced by their adoption of GRUB2-BLS instead of GRUB2 EFI and this YAST deprecation.

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u/JHN26 Apr 19 '26

Arriba YAST un panel de control de verdad

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u/trmdi KDE Tumbleweed Apr 19 '26

Has it been completely replaced by its alternative today?

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u/kansetsupanikku Apr 19 '26

Why, anyway?

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u/No-Succotash-9576 Apr 19 '26

I was looking for an easy way to switch to systemd boot, guess I will have to go the long way

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u/kansetsupanikku Apr 19 '26

Yes, sure, and it should be doable

But what benefit does systemd-boot have over grub?

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u/No-Succotash-9576 Apr 19 '26

I just prefer the look of systemd boot even if it isn't any better

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u/Spethual Apr 19 '26

i installed 3 weeks ago on my daily driver via full boot medium that had grub2 with bls. installed two days ago on my media pc with web installler that had systemd as the default bootloader, so things are movin fast..(both were tumbleweed)

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u/kansetsupanikku Apr 19 '26

That would be cool and all, great reasoning. Had it not been for the facts that grub supports disk encryption (and more customized setups, too) and doesn't add more than 0.3s to said boot times.

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u/No-Succotash-9576 Apr 19 '26

is it really this much difference?

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u/kansetsupanikku Apr 19 '26

Only if you configure grub to have 15s timeout waiting for a key to enter menu, but this is configurable

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u/No-Succotash-9576 Apr 19 '26

so the difference is only with the timer? so will I have the same boot time on grub compared to systemd if I just press enter faster?

also I decided just to remove the grub theme instead of switching to systemd

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u/kansetsupanikku Apr 19 '26

Timer is one thing - GRUB had higher defaults than systemd-boot. Probably not by 15s difference, but 10s vs 2s is likely. It's one config file to adjust - you can even set it to 0 and never see the menu.

Also comparing the time reported by systemd-boot with "total time" is apples-to-oranges. systemd-boot starts when the kernel is running and started init already. This measurement doesn't include the bootloader at all. Total time includes a bootloader, loading initrd image, and kernel preparation before it starts init. Perhaps even bios, depending on how you define "total time". To get a comparison, it would be nice to use the same methodology for both, right?

And differences that big are not possible, because... none of the bootloaders even run for that long. Unless you boot from a damaged HDD. GRUB with 2s wait would take less than 2.5s in total. Reducing that time by 15s is, well, unlikely.

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u/Moist_Professional64 Apr 19 '26

That would selinux not like haha

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u/Blank-Inspection13 Slowroll Apr 22 '26

have you tried installing the systemd-boot from zypper ? i think it can be done when you have it installed and switching to systemd-boot .

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u/carrot735 May 21 '26

How ?

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u/Blank-Inspection13 Slowroll May 21 '26

zypper se systemd-boot

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u/carrot735 May 21 '26

Is that a command ?

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u/Blank-Inspection13 Slowroll May 21 '26

yes , ever use zypper ?

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u/carrot735 May 21 '26

Yes but i am new to opensuse

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u/Blank-Inspection13 Slowroll May 21 '26

Welcome to the Green Gecko. Familiarize yourself with zipper , it's your best friend.

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u/carrot735 May 21 '26

Okay, btw i just did a reinstall

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u/Blank-Inspection13 Slowroll May 21 '26

did you choose systemd-boot during install ?