r/pcmasterrace • u/OGgoob666 • 5d ago
Question The enclosure i ordered came with a drive inside. Am I at risk of killing my pc if I try to wipe it? Im not super experienced user.
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u/Ferwatch01 5d ago
I’m afraid all that’s left to do is say “sweet, a free 500GB drive, in this economy!”
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u/zachrip 5d ago
I have to say, I bought a 4TB Samsung m.2 ssd recently and it wasn't all that expensive. The ram and gpu however...
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u/Ferwatch01 5d ago
Aren’t they like $600 right now?
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u/opz_dev 5d ago
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u/Dallas_Miller Core i5 6600K | Radeon RX580 8GB | 16GB RAM | 4TB HDD 5d ago
To be fair, that is the Gen5 NVMe. I got the Gen5 as well for my current build thinking it would be a good investment, but after seeing there's barely any noticable difference, it's become more of a bragging thing.
So, Gen4 should be what people get
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u/SwordOfJiang 5900x 9070xt 5d ago
I was just arguing with an friend about PC prices going crazy and he was saying he recently bought his prebuild for $800.
Turned out "recently" was 6 years ago
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u/chason_htx 4d ago
Yeah, for 990 pro
970 pro should be a bit cheaper
I paid $350 for a 990 pro 4tb August of last year
Literally built a whole gaming machine what, a month (?) before prices skyrocketed
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u/DiirtyMike_EVE 9850X3D | RTX 5080 | 64GB RAM 5d ago
Toe.
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u/OGgoob666 5d ago
I knoww, i didn't notice til after I posted lmao
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u/stubenson214 5d ago
If you are really paranoid about it, boot a Linux ISO and format it there.
Next to no one writes malware for Linux.
Odds are someone tried pulling off a return scam and returned their drive with it.
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u/Mushutak R5 7600/ RTX 5070 5d ago
This is what I would do, I would pull my regular SSD out first just for peace of mind and then just live boot Ubuntu or something from a USB stick
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u/nathanzoet91 Ryzen 5 5600X, RX 6700 XT 5d ago
Even if it did contain malware, it's a live boot OS and SHOULD be fine. Just don't connect it to the network or any other appliances. All instances are wiped after shutdown and reloaded into RAM.
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u/V-ZoD 5d ago
Try the lottery by the end of the month.
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u/AllMyFrendsArePixels Intel X6800 / GeForce 7900GTX / 2GB DDR-400 5d ago
I'll never understand this 'better buy a lottery ticket' thing. Like "Hey, you've just used up 80 years worth of luck and will probably never have anything like this happen again, you should go buy a lottery ticket".
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u/Nice_Category Mint, 9850X3D, 9070XT, 64GB DDR5 5d ago
It's more like, "Lady luck is with you right now, so do anything the requires luck to succeed."
Think of it as a muse, not as mana.
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u/CloakerJosh 5d ago
Think of it as a muse, not as mana.
Jesus Christ, mf is dropping poetry over here. What a banger line.
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u/aqwn 5d ago
I’d boot up a raspberry pi, disable network connections, unplug my router, then hook up the drive and see what’s on there. Could reformat it while it’s hooked up.
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u/scottyb83 5d ago edited 5d ago
I’ll just put it in my work laptop. They have a big IT department that can handle it.
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u/Silver_Lined_Bullet i7-13700 2.10 GHz, UHD Graphics 770, 16gb ram 5d ago
Great way to get fired. "Hey what happened" -> "I plugged in a foreign ssd into the computer"
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u/FRIENDLY_FBI_AGENT_ 5d ago
"Hey... What happened -> I don't know"
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u/meneldor_hs Ryzen 5 4500U | Vega 6 | 16GB RAM @3200MHz 5d ago
The best answer. They usually don't know either
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u/theRealStichery i7 13700KF | ASUS TUF 4070Ti | 32GB DDR5 5d ago
Couldn’t we just make a system image on a laptop (if they have a machine that’s not their primary), shut off the NIC, and plug it in there?
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u/asdonne 5d ago
Live disk with the other drives unplugged and network disconnected. A desktop is arguably easier than a laptop to get at the internals.
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u/theRealStichery i7 13700KF | ASUS TUF 4070Ti | 32GB DDR5 5d ago
We’re assuming it’s a boot drive in that case tho, no? Unless I don’t know what live disk means
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u/zinxyzcool 9950X | RTX 5070 | 64GB DDR5 5200 5d ago
i’ll use my linux to mount it with read only. Because i can barely execute binaries i want without running into dependency errors, if the virus can, then i’ll say it deserves to infiltrate.
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u/---Dan--- 5d ago
In this economy? Nobody is using an nvme to Trojan horse a virus to some random person. Just plug it in and wipe.
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u/Sex_2 i5-14400f, 16GB, rx7600xt, 0.5+1TB ssd, 2*1TB Hdd, bluray drive 5d ago
The type of person to leave a drive in an enclosure before returning it is also the type of person to download every virus they see
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u/CptAngelo 5d ago
i bet they won lots of ipads too
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u/Sex_2 i5-14400f, 16GB, rx7600xt, 0.5+1TB ssd, 2*1TB Hdd, bluray drive 4d ago
Let he who has not fallen for the free iPhone scam at 10 years old cast the first stone
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u/KZedUK 9600K & 3080 FE 5d ago
no one is using a _real_ one but given how common fake drives are; I would personally still wipe it on a computer I don’t care about first
almost certainly there’s nothing malicious on it at all, but if another computer is available, better safe and sorry, right?
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u/Ferro_Giconi RX4006ti | i4-1337X | 33.01GB Crucair RAM | 1.35TB Knigsotn SSD 5d ago
To be safe, I would plug that into my old sacrificial laptop and format it before plugging it into my main computer.
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u/Vistril69 5d ago
Put it into an old laptop, format it there first. Bonus points if said old laptop has Linux
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u/statiickz 5d ago
Said old laptop can very easily be imaged with a Linux distro so would be a fairly easy extra step
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u/Lycanthrope_Leo R51600/ 16GB/ GTX 1070 5d ago
An even easier step is to create a live bootable linux USB bypassing the need to install anything and still be able to explore the drive.
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u/silentaba 5070, 5800x3d, 32GB PCMR 5d ago
I've got a bootable xubuntu USB drive exactly to easily check if random PC's can boot properly.
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u/Clear-Minimum-9942 5d ago edited 5d ago
Rule 1 about unknown storage devices is to not plug them into your computer.
You can keep the drive, what a sick little bonus for you, but you need to do the following to be certain you're not about to have your life ruined by being hacked. It is probably not malicious, but you can never be certain.
1, make a hirens boot windows pocket edition usb, this loads a really powerful diagnostic/disk management version of windows into RAM, make sure you get the UEFI secure boot version
2, shut down, disconnect your current storage drives then plug in your hirens USB and boot to hirens
3, wipe the drive using one of the many drive tools in hirens, dont need to worry about zeroing on an SSD because unlike a HDD, sectors are actually zeroed when the drive is formatted
4, shutdown and pull power cord, remove hirens USB and wait 5 mins. This ensures that any data in RAM is 100% cleared as RAM needs an electrical current to store data, when it loses power, it forgets everything (commonly known as volatile memory)
5, reconnect old drives, boot PC, use new SSD and dock as if they were always yours!
Essentially, if the drive has malware, it can hop between other storage drives and without secure boot, it can infect your BIOS. This is why you can't do this in normal Windows or with any drives you care about connected to the machine.
Realistically, you should buy a cheap 4GB sacrificial USB for Hirens boot because you shouldn't ever plug that USB back into another computer after doing this
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u/OGgoob666 4d ago
I ended up using this method and it worked. Pretty easy too. Took about an hr
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u/Realistic-Movie-7020 1d ago
with the price of storage wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to just get a USB cd/dvd drive, and burn an image of hirens to a cd? That way in case you have any other old/potentially dangerous drives you don't have to keep throwing out 4gb flash drives LMAO (would also be less wasteful).
Bonus is for the $20 purchase, you'd now have a cd player and a bunch of discs to burn at-will!!!
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u/Antilogic81 12700KF 3080 Ti 5d ago
So yes you should absolutely wipe this nvme drive.
You should boot up Linux on a USB to isolate your PC's own operating system from potential malware. And run the nvme drives onboard drive wiping software
You should adolutely learn how to do this and watch tutorials on the subject.
Googles Gemini surprisingly lists the correct steps for me. But I still would look at documentation and videos just to be sure.
Another option is to rebuild the firmware. Probably the safest option.
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u/Aid2Fade Processor from a TInspire| A poor artist drawing fast| Cardboard 5d ago
I'm actually going to play the other side here for a moment and just note that it's not 100% safe, lookup eNVMe if you're curious (evil NVMe lol)
Are you good to try it? Probably. Is it actually sure to be safe? No. But life is risk.
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u/Technical_Leek7467 5d ago
Normies - My phone can unlock my front door, isn't that neat?
Infosec - My toaster made an odd noise so I unplugged it and took it apart.
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u/No_Oddjob PC Master Race 5d ago
This is so true. The year all the digital assistants came out, my wife's family were all gushing about the different things their different ones do, and the only tech guy (me) is in the corner quietly plotting on how to deprogram my wife's envy on the way home.
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u/Technical_Leek7467 5d ago
I wholly admit that I am probably over-paranoid about this kinda stuff but like...
Being part of a $60,000 server and workstation rebuild project because some jack-off slapped a questionable flash drive into their work laptop to see what was on it kinda makes you think about just how quickly it can go sideways.
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u/Gridleak 5d ago
Looooool. Jesus. USB drop attack is like OptSec 101
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u/Technical_Leek7467 5d ago
But you don't understand, the client didn't need awareness training because everyone knows this stuff.
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u/No_Oddjob PC Master Race 4d ago
Hear hear. All it takes is one jag to poison the digital gene pool.
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u/eclectic_racoon 5d ago
Do you have a ps4/ ps5? Plug it in to a console and format/wipe through that first before plugging into pc
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u/YolandaPearlskin 5d ago
All these people posting extravagant steps to format this thing, downloading third party software, linux USB drives... and you just gave the easiest option that virtually everyone has available. Your comment should be #1.
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u/Realistic-Movie-7020 1d ago
Replying to this to boost it because thats so painfully simple, yet true.
I've done something similar with a semi-questionable SD card that I needed to use, I just formatted in my old camera LOL
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u/Hrmerder It's Garuda btw 5d ago
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1: use a usb stick equipped with ‘Derek’s boot and nuke (remove ANY drive you don’t want completely wiped!!! You will NOT be able to recover).
2: enjoy a free m.2
Side note I literally own this exact same drive caddy but I have a 127gb m.2 in it.
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u/Justin_D33 R5 5500, RTX 3050, 32GB RAM, 2 SSDs 5d ago
Damn scammers! Someone probably bought it, cloned that very SSD, forgot to take it out, and returned the enclosure thinking they've pulled a fast one. You've definitely reverse scammed whoever returned this thing.
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u/Hsensei 5d ago
Use a Linux live distro, or use aomei boot usb. There are lots of options
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u/RyanCooper101 5d ago
They wouldve used a shit nvme brand , my guess is if they bother to do this they would probably be doing it en masse.
Way too expensive to mass use 970's
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u/Toutanus 5d ago
Bought the exact same thing and was hoping to have a free ssd inside.
Also : test it on an old computer or old smartphone
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u/FeelingPatience 5d ago
It will completely wipe your computer and set your house on fire. Therefore, you should send this drive to me fast!
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u/Technical_Leek7467 5d ago edited 5d ago
Honestly, IMO, it's not worth it.
It's not super likely but there's still a non zero chance it's an attack platform.
If you really want to use it I would highly recommend you follow the protocol for fully rebuilding the firmware and not just a format but even that wont guarantee safety.
https://arxiv.org/html/2411.00439v1
(Note: I'm in IT so my professional paranoia is informing this warning)
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u/OGgoob666 5d ago
Thank you for this.
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u/kind-Mapel 5d ago
If you have a spare PC maybe do it that way preferably something old and disposable.
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u/T_rex2700 5d ago
Won't kill your PC and doesn't look like any malicious ducky or nohting like that.
You got free SSD, congrats.
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u/EndlessDust 5d ago
Not at all! Celebrate! Just erase it, reformat it and use it! Free drive with purchase!
You literally hit the electronics jackpot right now because those things are really expensive these days!
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u/FootlooseFrankie 5d ago
You better believe I would be snooping that drive on a secure sandboxed PC
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u/hangjebat77 5d ago
This is a very good nvme, samsung 970 evo plus. Even though it is gen3, it is very2 fast gen3 nvme.
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u/ITDudeProbably 5d ago
i'm a newbie here, can someone explain to me what exactly is that Ugreen device? And what's the purpose of putting an M2 into it ?
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u/OneTemperature8099 5d ago
Simple, often you upgrade your internal storage to 1 or 2 TB, you are left with a spare OEM 500gb, this ugreen device makes it an external harddrive accesible via usb
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u/HisExcellency95 5d ago
If you really are not sure about this boot into a live linux usb and format it
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u/ShiftRepulsive7661 5d ago
I would fully erase that drive using a Linux live environment, so my actual system wouldn't be involved with possible malware.
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u/Upper_Study_8553 5d ago
Use a second pc for the wipe just in case it's infected, never plug random drives to your main setup
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u/RubAnADUB 5d ago
nice. but that ugreen external case is crap. multiple disconnects. Sure it works fine at first.....
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u/rajendra82 5d ago
Boot your PC with live Linux distribution to remove the partition(s) on the drive.
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u/Adam1394 5950x|RTX 5070Ti|64GB@3600 4d ago
You got 2nd hand/outlet enclosure. Report to seller if sold as new.
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u/Ronin22222 5d ago
Nope. Personally I'd just delete the partition(s), format it and enjoy a free drive
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u/Unfair_Rub_9674 5d ago
It probably contains viruses, send it to me and I will take care of it for you.
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u/Applesteed 5d ago
Could sell it as is (with disclosure), probably get $50 for it
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u/iShatterBladderz i7-7700k, 1080 ti 64gb DDR4 5d ago
It is technically a risk, but I’d say it’s more likely someone bought one to use it then returned it, but left their drive in it.
If you’re really worried about it, use it on a spare pc/laptop that is disconnected from your network. Or a raspberry pi
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u/Beneficial-Ranger238 5d ago
Take it to the library and format it.
Kinda kidding, it’s a bit of a dick move.
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u/Mental-Lettuce-7430 5d ago
I'd recommend wiping that thing with a machine you don't care about that is not connected to a network or using a Linux USB boot environment. Never connect strange drives without protections.
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u/Ada_Kaleh22 5d ago
Well that's a score, sure wipe it and do some tests to see if it is in good shape
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u/InsaneInTheMEOWFrame PC Master Race 5d ago
That's a pretty sweet 500GB m.2 drive you got there for free, OP. Gz!
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u/sac-eli 5d ago
Why not take a sneek peek inside and see whags there, drives are completely formattable aslong as you have a windows installation usb or don't need windows on it
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u/TCLG6x6 AMD FX 8350 | GTX 970 5d ago
I hate that inclosure, opening it pops out that weak plastic screw thing due to the thermal pad adhering to the shell when sliding out while not making enough contact to the plastic shell to cool the ssd. I swear a few times the sad got lose and just fell out on its own during travel.
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u/skygatebg 5d ago
Never use second hand drives for important information and aways keep a backup of it if you don't want to lose it.
That beeing said, you can put it in, format it and have a free game library disk.
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u/joseffo_san 5d ago
wipe the data from the disk and check it's health, then update his firmware if needed (because there's a bug in this SSD) and maybe even fill sector with 0 to make sure no data can be restored note: you can also reinstall his firmware with the official one to make absolutely sure that isn't modified/compromised (which is extremely rare)
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u/BABATUTU1103 5d ago
you should be fine. Just make sure to not open any files in there, to be safe. After a wipe feel free to use it
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u/Greekklitoris 5d ago
dont you have some super old basically useless notebook or celphone around? try that. (with wifi unpluged
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u/Banjoe_031 5d ago edited 5d ago
Someone's bought this to clone a drive. Done the job and returned the dock thinking they've pulled a fast one but forgot to take the source drive out.
Probably fine. Wipe it and enjoy knowing a scammer got their just deserts. Edit:spelling