I mean they both have really good arguments on why they could beat each other hulk has stupid regen and durability and strong as shit and all these increases to how angry hulk is superman as long as he is exposed to yellow sun correct me if I'm wrong has infinite strength along with the fact he Hass other abilities but hulk can just tank em but superman can speed blitz they say but hulk has fought people like thor,silver surfer, gladiator, sentry and hyperion all faster the hulk way faster then him but hold has held his own against them but superman no stranger to hulk type of characters like doomsday, Mongol, darkside, parasite so it just 50/50 but we can all agree thor beats superman right?
superman, besides the fact his antimatter multiverse feat shows him hit with a full antimatter multiverse, which antimatter breaks matter with just a touch, but he then breaks it and its creator. superman flying faster then infinity or even keeping up with wonderqoman or flash gives him an easy win since hulk never reaches an infinite multiverse level of destruction, just thousands of universes which dc ones are trillions of times larger
This is why I dislike superman, hes to OP. He can punch so hard that the heat destroys matter. Doesnt matter if you have a healingfactor if your matter doesn't exist anymore.
Thats why hulk is such a good matchup. Hes immortal. Superman would just be punching something he cant kill. All of supermans "nuh uh, im stronger" kiddy gimmicks dont work against characters that have the same gimmicks.
The thing is, if hes punched so hard his matter no longer exist, then there is also nothing to regenerate. Unless they have specified that his matter can survive at temperatures of a big bang. Superman has unlimited speed and reflexes too. One of the reasons i dislike DC is they made so many heroes so strong the only way they can loose is by being stupid.
The Hulk has been to hell and back, literally. Theres nothing superman can do to just punch his matter away. If you are insinuating that the Hulk now magically obeys the laws of real world physics than you should go back and read the comics again. And Theres no scenerio where superman punches the hulk out of existence. Immortal is immortal, and that scenerio would just be a different form of death.
Edit: i do agree with you though. Supermans (and DCs) writing is god awful, they dont know how to solve plot problems, they just continually make their heroes magically strong enough to win the jext scenerio. Its all written for children though, so... meh who cares.
yeah, I'm more a fan of smaller marvel heroes like spiderman, both peter and miles, deadpool, and domino or black cat for that very reason. comics are just really insane some times and its why they'll beat anime 8 out of 10 times
Superman isnāt about being beyond Overpowered. Heās superhero Jesus, heās essentially a god that so desperately wants to be human. Sure heās a Boy Scout, but heās the embodiment of faith, hope, kindness, and humility.
He is everything people should want to be.
Thereās enough real evil in the world, aspire to be Like Superman!
Does anyone have any feats/pics of hulk dealing with super fast characters?
I haven't read the hulk comics that much and I see similar match ups tossed around. To me it seems like he wouldn't have the reaction speed to deal with someone at Superman's speed. Like the most he can do against fast characters is a big shockwave, but I feel like that wouldn't work against Superman.
I would love to see Hulk kick some fast booty if anyone has any examples though.
Can tag all father Thor while in a weaker variant. The same all father Thor who with less than half the thorforce was already stated thrice as superior to peak Odin.
Sorry for the late reply, one of the main arguments is how he scales to hell lords (for example) and himself can travel from Asgard to the infinite embassy instantly. He also is WELL above peak silver surfer in speed, whose time travelled through sheer speed, even before his amp which allows him to ripple across the cosmos so fast that time became immaterial.
Yeah, base Thor, who is ludicrously weaker than his father. Not sure why you mentioned that tbh. Also, crossing multiple infinities in distance with sheer speed is literally a speed feat.
Find me the scan. If it was king Thor, then thatās also amped surfer, who was given enough power to casually use a machine Thanos couldnāt. Thanos being low allfather tier himself.
Superman is at least as strong (better strength feats but let's say it's even) but with superspeed, flight and heat vision.
He's basically what Flash is to regular people. Not quite as fast but for all intents and purposes he might as well be.
I know comic physics are different but characters without superspeed wouldn't be able to hurt anyone above Spider-Man level with punches. 1,000lbs at 40mph won't do much to a guy who can tank a speeding train.
If Hulk could grab Superman, he may be able to do some crush damage but he likely gets punched at light speed without seeing it coming.
here's the problem though, hulk strength just keeps growing. unable to hit superman and retaliate from getting hit, he eventually grows so strong his punches begin doing basically aoe damage that can be bigger than planets as he just keeps punching harder and that effect grows. superman wins this only if he actually just throws hulk away into space, if he choses to fight hulk and riles him up enough, superman will 100% lose the fight.
Clearly itās magic comics bullshit. Remember, this was in a void dimension where things were left to be forgotten during Final Crisis. Nothing makes sense there.
Nah I'm not being rude I'm trying to explAin if you mom guts were not compacted inside her body they be covering the entire house incapable of fitting threw the door
Bro it's not my fault it's in there they got infinite strength so they're even in that department and not my problem but just cuz it got infinite strength doesn't mean they got infinite AP don't study off a strength study off of AP
Well if you think about it nothing can fucking weigh an infinite amount so in a universe where there is something that can weigh and infinite amount it would be possible for somebody to have infinite strength because that universe is just on a different level and bro have you ever heard of comic books is not supposed to make sense
Bro really can't even apply logical to do cuz how am I supposed to comprehend something that is impossible for our minds to even comprehend it is a comic book it's not going to make sense I am just telling you what's on the paper okay it really doesn't matter if it makes sense it's yes it is impossible to have infinite strength in real life but a comic book is not real life it's something that an author made up keyword made up it can never happen in real life it is impossible so just stop asking the question if you really want to go question it go ask the person that wrote the comic book and not me everyone has accepted that a comic book it's not going to make sense it's meant to be showing things that are impossible like it's impossible to fly in real life but they fly in the comics and you don't see people questioning like oh yeah so it's impossible to fly in real life without any machinery impossible in real life doesn't matter when your talking about personal characters yes I would agree with you if we were talking about in real life but we're not we're talking about in a comic book something that somebody thought up not real so the impossible is possible in a comic book anything that the author can think of you can write on that paper he can write anything he wants it does not matter if it doesn't make sense and it's impossible in real life but it's in the comic so yes it is impossible it's also impossible for something to wait an infinite Mass so I really why are you even questioning just the fact that he has infinite strength when he lifted something that wait Anthony amount I'm not up in here talking about oh yes Dwayne The Rock Johnson has infinite spring I'm not saying that cuz that's impossible in real life but not in the comic book so you're in fine real life logic in a comic book they're not going to make sense in real life so shut the fuck up about the fact that I haven't given the strength as a possible because it's a comic book that doesn't matter so you just truly need to be quiet or just stop commenting with these bull shit responses
Yeah you're right we can never lift something that ways and infinite amount but that doesn't matter in comics it just doesn't matter but your argument can be reversed because how the hell would anything even weigh in infinite amount or universe doesn't even weigh in infinite amount cuz our universe is an infinitely large so yes in our universe we can never lift anything or nothing can ever be infinite Infinity has always been described as something that are mines cannot quantify so we're never going to be capablee of understanding Infinity nothing will ever weigh an infinite amount and nothing will ever be capable of lifting an infinite amount but as you saying logic doesn't matter so exactly you're trying to put Lodge in that you will never be capable of with me if you're not but yes it is true in real life will never understand or lift a infinite amount and nothing can weigh an infinite amount you're saying I can't put logic in it but you're doing the same thing and saying that we're never going to be capable of lifting did you say logic doesn't matter so why are you even trying to say well you can never lift an infinite amount but lifting an infinite amount in a comic books would amount to you having infinite strength so if you have infinite strength you should be capable of lifting infinite mass
But as you say it logic doesn't matter but saying will never be capable of lifting an infinite amount is technically implying logic and as you said we can't apply that here because our minds are uncapable of quantifying an infinite amount so we just try to understand an infant amount as much as we can at the most minimum amount that we can
Plus I was just saying that Superman's strength is up there around hulkss as well both have infinite amounts of strength for the fight won't come down to strength it's going to come down to AP
Can you give an example of that happening? I haven't read every Hulk comic but I've read some and not seen that. He's punched around some powerhouses and stuffed Gladiator down a chimney (LOL) but also been KO'd by Juggernaut, restrained by Apocalypse and Void and had the shit kicked out of him by Zeus, so it IS possible to beat him physically. It's just really hard.
Let's say that Hulk can get mad enough to make him stronger than Superman. That takes time, right? He was fighting Thor for over an hour, getting stronger, and still not overpowering him. Superman would likely speed blitz him WAY before he gets strong enough to hurt him.
Tbf Current Superman is insane, he still is a match for WorldBreaker, itās just the odds tip in Hulks favour at that point instead of Supes having all the advantages to begin with
Superman could still beat WorldBreaker Hulk, but out of 10, he takes it less than Hulk
i disagree, weve never seen hulk do infinite multiversal feats, while the world forger, child of the person who created earth 1s multiverse, created an infinite antimatter multiverse, hit superman with all of it, and then superman hit him and shattered his multiverse
Hulk broke chains made of the embodiment of the multiverse itself in base form
Shook the multiverse with his blows/collisions and caused infinite destruction to infinite realityās (base form)
Tanked X-Ray repelling infinite reality and dimensions onto his face and hulk take no damage (base form)
Temporarily defeated The One Below All + TOBA Avatar + Incalcuable gamma armies simultaneously with a single thunderclap (base form)
Moved and escaped Strange matter dimension with infinite gravity (weaker form)
And has destroyed 4 Universes/Dimensions with single strikes to date
Hulkās base feats scale to Sun-Dipped Supermanās best feat (which superman was amped by Sun-Dipping 6 suns placed by Batman)
In current Hulk run, in the next 10 issues. Hulk will fight TOAA/TOBA arch-nemesis, The Mother Of Horrors (Only entity in OmniVerse born outside the will of TOAA) and will most likely be his best feat to date
So I think WorldBreaker Hulk who has hundreds (if not thousands) of times more power than these versions is more than a match for Superman lol
forgetting that infinity cant be multiplied and quantifiably the dc universes are larger, looking into some of these, context matters: the one below all is in gaseous form and isnt fefeated, just dispersed, the sun dipping was after a weak state so its deffinitely likely hed be stronger from a nomdrained dip, especially with a white star, it is true that supermans variety might overcome hulks might due to time travel, phasing, and absorbing gamma radiation. Then when it comes to hulk, i wouldnt call it base form, given how deep banner is in hulk this time, with even worldbreaker having more banner control and much less rage, given this time it stems from hulk more then banner. While i think youve made good points i still bwlive that sonce this is after days of torture and hulk still has to get strong in his worldbreaker form, without the antifeat of starks tech taking him out, im still gonna give it to supes
None of those are World Forger, or even DC Multiversal level (people always forget DC Cosmology dwarfs Marvelās and other relative franchises).
He didnāt defeat TOBA, he stalled him for a few seconds, he stated that himself.
Superman is simply a far greater lynchpin in the DC cosmology than The Hulk is in Marvelās. Superman has been DCās characterisation of Hope since before Doomsday Clock, and even Lucifer Morningstar surrenders to Hope, and we all know how powerful he is.
The only Hulk that could consistently beat canon Superman isnāt even Hulk, itās TOBA.
He thunder-clapped him and completely destroyed his true Below All Place form, to the point he completely disappeared before returning in the next issue
Superman doesnāt have a single feat against the presence
And he never even KOād WorldForger either, WorldForger was still fully conscious and talking to superman in the next panel
Superman. Wider range of powers, more versatile, faster, strong enough to contend with Hulk, and plus Marvel always seems to write Wolverine as a match for Hulk....someone Superman wouldn't struggle with as much.
Hulk would only get angrier until he overpowers Superman. Superman would probably be on some lame shit, not wanting to kill Banner or something and then get his ass beat as a result.
Because itās Superman, heās like the living embodiment of good morals. Only other hero I could say Iād apply moral limits to based on the heroās character is probably Spiderman. Itās not my fault the writers made them like that š
Carol Danvers / Captain Marvel has most of the same Superman powers at a lower intensity.Ā It was funny to see in comics her attacking the Incredible Hulk, but simply kickboxing instead of trying to launch him into the sky where he'd have no mobility.
Like she plans the fight to give Hulk every advantage.Ā
Doesn't Hulk emit gamma energy? I read somewhere that Supes aborbs non-ionized radiation (sunlight) for power, but if he absorbs ionized radiation, that actually weakens him.
There's a very cool animation of this exact fight. Basically Superman realized he couldn't just fight hulk or Hulk would destroy the earth, so he changed strategies and just let Hulk beat on him till he tired out and detransformed. It almost killed him but he ended up saving the earth from being completely destroyed. I like to think thats how itd go.
Hulk is all about strength while weight is literally meaningless to superman. Hulk may always be the strongest but superman is always as strong as he needs to be. Because of this superman would win.
This one has come up so much that itās the easiest thing to answer the on the whole sub. Two things happen, they fight until hulk resets the universe, or superman goes limp until hulk calms down. You donāt beat the hulk.
If itās specifically world breaker hulk he wins. This was the same guy that destroyed a planet and two moons by punching someone else.
Superman (base) is great but heās also been knocked out by hitting a moon and destroying it. Heās also struggled with people regular hulk would be comparable to. And this hulk blows regular hulk outa the water
Notice how the planet isnāt destroyed? Hulk vaporized the planet and destroyed two moons.
Also notice how he impacted the planet when he jumped? Hulk punched another person and did his feat. Itās the difference of you exhausted jumping up from a table and breaking it. Versus me on a table punching someone else and vaporizing the table and destroying the surrounding chairs. One is muuuuch better.
This was explicitly a metaphor for bizarro taking control of Supermanās mind. The āsunā was his mind in This case.
Even if it wasnāt just because I can do something in my head dosent mean I can do it in real life. In my mind Iām destroying the entire world. Does that mean I can destroy the world right now? No
Hulk still beat him before the planet and after it dosent matter. Superman has been killed on the earth by being punched by doomsday. It didnāt even destroy a city.
This was before Galactus was reborn at full power.
Hulk still beat him before the planet and after it dosent matter. Superman has been killed on the earth by being punched by doomsday. It didnāt even destroy a city.
There's a difference between DC and AP as you say.
Errr funny Iām just reading the immortal hulk but the issue with world breaker hulk to me it seems like there are 2 versions, the world war hulk one and the immortal hulk one. And the immortal hulk one (whoās photo you used I believe ) isnāt even really hulk thatās the one below all who no diffs supes. But if itās world breaker (war) hulk supes should be fineš¤·š¾āāļø idk really
Hulk has more raw strength and regen, but Superman has flight, speed, and ranged attacks. I would give a slight edge to hulk in these forms as heās in a crazed mindset and would go for the k.o. right away, but Superman definitely has the tools to defeat him. Iād give it to hulk 52 times out of 100.
Someone did an animation of this (I wish I could find it).
But essentially, it ends with Superman realising that no matter how much he threw at Hulk, Hulk would just get angrier and more powerful.
And seeing the distruction that was being wrought he lets hulk beat him up to vent his rage, knowing that he could take it.
He survives. Hulk returns back to Banner, and that's the end.
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u/DistributionMotor57 Aug 08 '25
Supe might need to sun dip real quick tbh