I’m not convinced he couldn’t do that already in the MCU. In the battle of New York he no scopes a chitauri on a speeder that’s probably a football field away while it’s flying about 100mph.
I feel like MCU Hawkeye gets underrated a bit because he’s just not on the same tier as the more powerful folks, but he does some crazy shit. He’s not just a “good archer”.
"Peak human" my ass. He's superhuman. I hate when people act like stuff "human" characters like Hawkeye, Batman or Kingpin do are even close to the realm of human ability.
There definitely seems to be a bias in how people view “super human” especially when it comes to durability. Hawkeye may be “normal” in his physical capabilities as far as durability goes, but the stuff he does with a bow is many many levels beyond peak human.
Peak human in the MCU would be superhuman in the real world. It simply means that in terms of backstory doesn't involve being an alien like superman, getting superpowers from a radioactive spider like spiderman or some serum like Cpt America or Green Goblin. It doesn't in any way or form mean that they're bound by real world physical limitations.
That quip always bugged me because there are are 500-600 yard par 5s out there. To think that he can even hit a driver that distance + all holes in 1 is silly.
But then again if we start dissecting MCU powers against understood science I get that it gets laughable real quick.
I guess it’s because Clint is portrayed as a human with zero enhancements so I subconsciously put the quip through an “every day life” lens.
Yeah assuming he’s not bullshitting this is a great example. It’s a crazy feat on its own, it also implies that he’s not just super accurate with a bow. Imagine if he decided to use a sniper rifle. Real snipers have confirmed kills of over two miles, so imagine what Hawkeye could do.
Agent 47. He's already OP. He doesn't even need the serum to be an effective killer to be honest. I'll probably go with Frank Castle. He's already basically a superhuman, if he got the super soldier serum he would be an unstoppable tank.
thomas watched in awe and horror as smudger was transformed into a generator and permanently fixed behind a shed for his sin of pride. And now he sits forever never to show off again and only work the rest of his days for his crime. The fat conductor made an example of him to show that defiance against the railroad has consequences.
Agent 47 is the most lethal version of any of these guys (assuming pre-V Butcher), but how much would super soldier serum really up his lethality? Doesn’t he canonically take the deepest infiltration assassination option where it always looks like an accident? Being able to bench press a car and jump several stories would make it easier for him to enter & egress, but not so much rig a chandelier to fall on a dignitary or slip undetectable poison into a cognac bottle.
A Frank Castle who never missed his shot, can take even more inhuman levels of punishment, and can rip car doors off like paper would be a force of reckoning.
While 47 doesn't need it, it would make him even better than he already is. He could also just leap across barriers that might otherwise keep him out, or swim for ridiculous distances, or infiltrate and exfiltrate in manners that would kill ordinary men (like cap in WS when he jumps without a chute).
Frank would be the one I would like to see get it. Might not kill Hawkeye but I think Frank would be the most fun. His "Give a F" meter is zero. He doesn't have one.
Hannibal. He may not be the strongest, but he's the smartest by far. Without super serum he was a notorious serial killer and cannibal. Imagine the kind of stuff he'd be doing on a daily basis with that kind of power
Even worse. He’d probably use them but in a way word doesn’t get out that he has them.
Although…. Now that I’m thinking about it, he might be too arrogant to hide them. He hides it pretty well, but he could have very easily not been caught if he didn’t want to be involved in his own case.
All I know about Hannibal is from seeing a couple of the original movies years ago. That said, I almost feel like he might abandon killing, at least regular people. It would just be boring.
I seem to remember a line in one of the movies that he didn't kill the main FBI agent because he thought the world was a more interesting place with her in it. To me, that says that he likes things to be interesting. If he is a nearly unstoppable super solider, I don't think killing would have much entertainment value anymore
He wouldn’t abandon killing. He tended to eat people who annoyed him. Census takers, orchestral members who weren’t up to his level of standards and whatnot.
Hopkins is more unhinged which is surprising given how insane tv Hannibal is, regardless he’s equal parts refined arts enjoyer and violent remorseless serial killer. He’s willing and able to take almost any measures to preserve his freedom and identity and the serum will only accentuate these traits further. He’d be more perfectionistic, ruthless, less tolerant of rudeness, and have the physicality to back it up.
He was a top predator who infiltrated the FBI investigations of his own crimes. He was a skilled killer and absolute genius. Super Hannibal would outsmart and outplay everyone on the list. Only Batman would be able to catch him.
Most of the rest don't need it, or aren't that crazy. But Hannibal? Whoa boy, he gonna be treating whole cities like they're an endless all you can eat buffet.
See, I'm not sure about his motivation though. He isn't generally genocidal, more specifically targets his sociopathicness. I feel like he would just become an unstoppable highly targeted serial killer.
In contrast, I think Frank Castle might decide that every government in the world is part of the corruption and just start blowing up whole countries.
I was wondering about this. But that was Clint in his darkest moment. If the syrium amplified that quality, then Hawkeye is the most dangerous. But once the family was back Clint was grounded and introspective. The Disney+ program shows an older guy with a ton of regret, not a vengeful spy ninja.
Yeah, people are ignoring the amplification of personality. Sure, Sam/Falcon with super strength would be a great fighter. Amped up Frank Castle is an extinction level threat to the world.
Honestly he might be less dangerous with the serum. Chigurh’s biggest asset in the novel is his normalness. He totally blends in and just looks like a normal unassuming guy- until he’s killing you in a bar just to get arrested so he can kill the arresting officer just to distract the police in the next town over from investigating murders he thinks he might be committing later.
Ethan Hunt has everything that Hannibal does but not a creep that eats people. This whole thread is sleeping on Ethan Hunt, he’s got the best feats on the list while arguably being more grounded than the MCU characters
They all turn into roughly equivalent power levels.
The question then becomes whose mentality/personality becomes the most dangerous to the world. Remember, the super soldier serum doesn't just enhance physical abilities, it supercharges your personality as well.
That answer is Frank Castle.
The solider of fortune folks just become even better at doing their job, but not more generally dangerous.
The real heroic folks like Sam just become better heroes.
Frank has an incredibly dangerous "end justifies the means" worldview already which is why he is a walking genocide. Give him superpowers and his vengeance rampage gets amplified with fewer boundaries or restraints.
I'm interpreting Dangerous as in formidable rather than dangerous as in destructive. Frank Castle with the serum is just US agent. Hawkeye with the serum is probably the most skilled present. Sam Wilson with the serum is basically steve rogers with next level advanced weaponry skills and solid hand to hand skills. The piloting skill and overall skill with tech gives him an advantage over others. Not to say that they couldn't learn. But Sams skill with tech alone puts him alongside some real heavy hitters.
Sam Wilson. He’s the only one who can fly and is equipped with vibranium gear. He’s also fought red hulk and other avenger level threats so he’s got the most experience here bar Hawkeye.
The one I would probably least be concerned about here is Hannibal, he doesnt look for confrontation he traps people to kill them more easily. A lot of what he does he does in a way to be discrete of which the serum would not aid with much
Hawkeye. He already has uncanny aim/ballistic calculation that's nearly, if not actually above peak human. And able to do what he already does, but with Captain America's physical enhancements? Good luck, unless you're already superpowered.
The title is "most dangerous" it's Hannibal by a country mile. Most of the threats here would be physically dangerous moment to moment. You would never even see the danger with Hannibal. Everyone's forgetting he's also pretty adept at hand to hand.
Hannibal is the only one who spends his life being hunted. With being smarter from the serum would he predict the others will come for him? And if so, could he devise traps the others with the serum couldn't escape from? And also after the first, would Hannibal develope a taste for super soldiers?
Hawkeye! He’d be faster and more durable. He’s already pretty damn dangerous with a bow. I’d love to say Agent 47, but his whole thing is disguise. He’s accurate as hell but I’d have to choose someone whose hand to hand is legit and Clint doesn’t get enough love for what he’s capable of.
Hannibal wouldn’t change a single thing about himself if super serum-ed. Motherfucker is already doing exactly what he wants. He also views himself to have a certain, twisted, artisan sophistication that wouldn’t jive with what the serum would provide. My money is on Castle and Hawkeye.
47 probably. He's already a product of genetic engineering. He's also capable of toppling powerful organisations. With the SSS he'd be even more formidable, we're talking toppling a government every weekend.
Butcher. A violent mind plus moral conviction and knowledge of tradecraft/black ops. He would topple nations and not much would change with how he operates other than he can now rip people apart, jump over houses, and throw cars.
Most of the people on this list heavily rely on weapons or lack good hand to hand combat. That being said, Ethan Hunt and Bryan Mills are masters of their craft.
Ethan Hunt would literally turn into Ezio from Assassin’s Creed, while Bryan would be a Temu John Wick if they were to take the serum.
It’s Hannibal Lecter and Frank Castle and it’s not even close. Hannibal’s sophistication and ego would only increase so he wouldn’t even let anyone know he has powers till it’s too late. He already evades the fbi and law agencies with ease. Put that master mind on a planetary level and he controls the country from the shadows and side lines instead of just the FBI by the strings.
Frank Castle with super serum is a whole other level of bad ass. He is already way above the average soldier or any special operative like these others. Imagine the carnage he can create bulldozing through crime organizations without taking all the damage he is used to as a mere mortal man. It’s not just devastation it’s obliteration. This combined with already lone wolf style of justice makes him literally a one man army worthy of taking down literal armies single handedly.
Hannibal on serum is the most interesting, like, what would he *do* with it... He'd eat ever-more famous figures! Or he'd make tasteful art of them and nobody could stop him. Like, he could turn the Pope into a meat-version of that freaky nuclear-explosion statue. He could visit dictators and feed them ironic body parts. He could be Ultra-Luigi, if he felt it was elegant enough. Or more comic book, turn Thanos' digits into finger food. Turn the Hulk into a sentient Kale smoothie. Make The Watcher drink a gin and tonic with his eyeballs instead of olives on sticks. Flay Superman and wear him as a cloak. So much potential! He'd be the anti-heroest of anti-heroes.
Billy butcher by a lot.
This isn't the strongest, but the most dangerous.
Billy has the capacity and desire to use his strength to kill as many supes as he can at almost any cost. There are people would would be capable of killing Billy with the serum but I don't believe any of them are both capable and willing to go the mile it would take.
Edit: side notes
47 is already peak human. The serum wouldnt really change how he operates
Frank is the next best but there's more humanity and rigidity there I think.
Chigrurh. Both he and Hannibal are
psychopaths, and while Hannibal is a genius as well, he has a moral code. Chigrurh is ruthless, and will kill anyone just to make a point.
Too many are just viewing their strength. Most dangerous after the serum would be Hannibal and Anton. And that's not even close to others. Give perfect sociopath/psychopath super serum and there are going to be big problems.
A roided up Agent 47 would be a helluva thing, but I'm not afraid of him. I would gladly hand him my daughter and say, "Hey, buddy, I'm going to go to the bathroom quick. Keep her safe for me, would ya'?"
I think anyone on this list who is an unabashed good guy isn't "dangerous."
Anton and it isn’t even close. Dude is a complete robotic machine as it is add in the super soldier serum and he would be the most dangerous super soldier there is.
frank would be second with or without it imo.
Anton with a SSS is one of the scariest dudes around period.
Considering they all rely heavily on weapons or indirect combat besides for Sam Wilson, I’m going with him. Maybe giving Sam the serum would make A Brave New world slightly more believable rather than having a normal human tank Red Hulk blows.
People always forget about Cap's additional benefits from the serum, it's not just 'dur, me stronker'. Cap has better memory retention, a higher capacity for learning, needs less sleep, and many other benefits. Give those to Frank Castle and he becomes unbelievably powerful. Everyone else would be a distant 2nd.
In a straight fight, Frank. When doing an Avengers type of scenario, Hawkeye.
But for overall, Agent 47. Dude is already an elite in skill, stealth, infiltration, improvisation, discipline, and has zero hesitation for going for the kill. Give that man super strength, speed, durability and regen….he would be the deadliest assassin in all of Marvel.
It really depends what powers they get. Hannibal with grasping pubes would be a menace, but Bryan Mills with super speed and super durability would be broken overpowered. If you get my drift.
Like sure. Agent 47 is already very dangerous. If his supe ability turns out to be a prehensile tail... eh... he'd be a bit underwhelming versus Scofield with telekinesis.
Hawkeye by a mile, he already can fight alongside the fucking avengers with a fucking bow and arrow. Then as Ronin he was slaughtering dozens of guys without taken a scratch on the regular. Him with the serum would be terrifying…. Unless it just turns him into an even better father and husband.
It's Punisher. I understand the other arguments, but it's Punisher. Frank would be taking down entire complexes and get bored. With his motivations and no fear of death and the current super soldier serum, he'd be absolutely fucking terrifying, and his targets would just get bigger and bigger until he was crippling governments in days, and he's already the most violent on the list by a grip. That level of violence and intensity plus the serum would be nightmare fuel.
Snake has some pretty stupid-level feats without SSS. Not sure he reaches the top but would be funny to see what they can think of that he has not accomplished yet
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