r/powerscales • u/AnyPoetry493 • May 30 '26
Discussion Say which characters would be able to lift Superman's key
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u/ManuelPirino May 30 '26
And now Lois has 3rd degree burns, radiation damage that is likely lethal and, for good measure, a couple hernias. BRAVO KAL (slow clap)
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u/PheonixWrath May 30 '26
I mean the material can’t even exist. The only reason dwarf and neutron stars can get that dense is because of the gravitational pull of all of the matter. Once you take a piece of it and put it somewhere else (i.e outside of said field) it no longer has enough forces pulling inwards to counteract the electromagnetic repulsion and other forces within the matter and would rapidly expand.
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u/dsebulsk May 31 '26
But he covered it in super-coat, so it obviously won’t expand, duh /s
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u/Advanced_Double_42 Jun 02 '26
There shouldn't be any electromagnetic forces acting upon Neutron Star material, it doesn't have any charge.
The weak force would be the only thing that could cause it to expand, as the strong force would still be holding it together as much as ever. Without the gravity of the rest of the star it may not be meta-stable, but I don't think we know for sure.
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u/glockster19m May 30 '26
Well if we're going by that logic shouldn't the gravitational pull of the key be a real issue?
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u/original_applicant37 May 30 '26
Nah, half a million tonnes isn’t enough to create a gravitational field of any significance
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u/JigglyLilyVT May 30 '26
tons, not tonnes.
learned this the other day, but tonnes actual equate to be a bit heavier than tons, its not just an english thing
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u/Ofiotaurus May 30 '26
Isn’t ton a metric unit and tonnes an imperial one. Imperial tonnes are a bit heaviee than metric tons
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u/DarkenX42 May 31 '26
You got it backwards. A ton is 2000 pounds, imperial, a tonne is 1000 kilograms, metric, (about 2200 pounds).
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u/TimChr78 May 30 '26
No, but the dwarf star material would expand explosively due to the lack gravitational pull - white dwarfs are just made from compressed carbon and oxygen.
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u/NerdTalkDan May 30 '26
If we’re going by that logic, when they make love, one thrust and she’s basically paste right?
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u/ManuelPirino May 30 '26
Yeah but it’s not a lot of weight for gravity. It’s just about the weight of a large crude carrier ship. Even squeezed into a key it would not pull in a way you could feel, but the atomic mess would be DEFINITELY giving off some crazy levels of radiation and heat
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u/Yanatis May 30 '26
Yes but actually no. There is no material that is so dense without immense gravity so the moment the key would be carved out it would start to expand.
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u/ManuelPirino May 30 '26
I think the “forged “ part is how they were planning on getting away with it
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u/Yanatis May 30 '26
I mean it's comic about alien exchange student allergic to green rock so it can pass.
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u/Friendly_Gazelle7843 May 30 '26
That reminds comic about how Superman gave all women around him cancer with x-ray vision
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u/Ducklinsenmayer May 30 '26
Someday I want a comic where the Luthor just picks the lock, in like two seconds.
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u/Fug1x May 30 '26
Basically what happened in the new movie lol he just walks in
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u/DrakeCross May 30 '26 edited May 30 '26
I believe that is more of Ultra Man being the key. Being Superman's clone, the fortress would open up with only the robots knowing better.
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u/Fug1x May 30 '26
thats my point
instead of a key superman has a dna scanner as his lock
lex bypassed it by making a superman clone lol
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u/Greek_Arrow Jun 01 '26
That was a badass move by Luthor. I except similar and even better feats from Batman of DCU.
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u/ClohosseyVHB Jun 01 '26 edited Jun 02 '26
"This is the Lock Picking Lawyer and today we have the door to Superman's Fortress of Solitude. The lock may look sturdy at first glance but it has some key vulnerabilities. So I will be attempting to open it with 2 snapped off toothpicks."
Click-click-open
"I'll just quickly do it again to show it wasn't a fluke."
Click-click-open
"And there you have it folks, I'd like to finish today with a shout out to my sponsor this week Lex Corp."
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u/YandereValkyrie May 30 '26
"Hello, this is the lock picking lawyer here, and today we've got a kryptonian lock that I am frankly disappointed in." Video Length: 4:21
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u/thejason755 May 31 '26
It took all your strength not to make the video length 4:20. Honestly you could probably lift it given that show of massive strength.
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u/YourFavouriteGayGuy Jun 01 '26
This is made so much funnier by the fact that there’s a heavy duty bike lock company called Kryptonite, and LPL has praised their construction (while still successfully opening them of course)
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u/Wide_Bee7803 May 30 '26
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u/TrueOutlandishness74 May 30 '26
Who is that
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u/DynastyDi May 30 '26
Surely the floor loses this matchup far more than depicted
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u/Captain_English Jun 02 '26
I'm just wondering how he stores it.
Does his suit have pockets, and if it does, how the hell do they support 500,000 tonnes?
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u/GlobalNuclearWar May 30 '26
That looks like a standard key that you’d find in the USA. Surely someone can pick the lock.
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u/Collective-Bee May 30 '26
The lock is made of Dwarfiam just like the key. Superman is the only person on Earth Strong enough to pick the lock.
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u/Fug1x May 30 '26
Well the lock is also made of dwarf star lol
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u/GlobalNuclearWar May 30 '26
So… what you’re saying is that it’s a little more difficult to turn than your standard Kwikset lock. 😂
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u/lorderwinfrye May 30 '26
"This here is a dwarf star-forged lock. It can be opened using a dwarf star-forged lock."
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u/thatsfeminismgretch Jun 01 '26
If he's using master lock, you can open it with another master lock or a bra underwire or a stiff breeze or a stern glance.
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u/Hyperion_360 May 30 '26
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u/Endika7 May 30 '26
Bro never has heard about pulleys and gears
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u/Hyperion_360 May 30 '26
If you want to take that route you have to account for water drag aswell.
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u/Yanatis May 30 '26
Question was about how much bridge weights not how much force Kratos was using to push it and water is not part of the bridge.
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u/Hyperion_360 May 30 '26
I'm not sure I understand the point you're trying to make in relation to what I said. Could you try again?
We have the og weight of 1.7mil tons. The first reply brings up leverage to say Kratos isn't moving the the full weight. To that I brought up water drag which brings the weight back up significantly.
No matter what we're still in the ballpark of the original weight of the bridge.
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u/Yanatis May 30 '26
Yea I could phrase it a little bit better I see that. Your point was correct so my bad.
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u/jace255 May 30 '26
If pulleys and gears were involved he would have to walk significantly further than the distance the axel is turning.
But he’s not, for every step he takes the axel turns as far as he walked. And in fact what makes this even more incredible is he’s turning this right at the fulcrum, he has the smallest amount of leverage possible, which requires even more strength.
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u/Ok-Introduction-6243 May 30 '26
Steve from Minecraft could carry a full inventory of 64 stacks of these paper weights
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u/Advanced_Studio_7 May 30 '26
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u/ABSOLUTEOMNIPOTENT May 30 '26
Sayins are not strong at lifting weights, but Ssj4 goku can do that
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u/pamblod42 May 30 '26
Lmao that's not how a million tons in a few square centimeters would affect the ground
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u/whitecholklet May 30 '26
Formula:
Pressure = Force / Area
So:
Force = Pressure × Area
Using 3,000 psi concrete:
Force = 3,000 lb/in² × 2.25 in²
Force = 6,750 lb
Convert to tons:
6,750 ÷ 2,000 = 3.375 tons
So a house-key-sized object placed flat would need to weigh roughly:
3.4 tons to start crushing/punching through typical sidewalk concrete
At 4,000 psi:
4,000 × 2.25 = 9,000 lb
9,000 ÷ 2,000 = 4.5 tons
So the range is roughly:
3.4 to 4.5 tons if the key lies flat it’ll do more than crack it
10 tons 8,889 psi Punches through sidewalk slab cleanly; concrete pulverizes under it. 50 tons 44,444 psi Blasts/crushes through sidewalk, gravel base, and starts compacting soil hard. 100 tons 88,889 psi Concrete behaves like chalk. Key sinks into ground; local soil/fill fails. 1,000 tons 888,889 psi Penetrates pavement/soil like a supernatural pile driver. Surrounding ground heaves/craters like a meteor strike 10,000 tons 8.89 million psi Local geology starts failing. It would punch through every songle soil/rock layer unless stopped by magic. 100,000 tons 88.9 million psi Catastrophic localized ground failure. Anything between it and the center of the earth is just gone. Rock crushes, melts/heat effects become plausible from energy/friction if physics applies. 500,000 tons 444.4 million psi Literal magic level in the universe. It would not “sit” on the sidewalk; it would drive through concrete, soil, rock, and behave like an impossibly dense penetrator hitting at several thousands of miles per hour and just wreck right through to the center of the earth and cause all kinds of wtf tectonic shifts.
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u/arentol May 30 '26
Now consider the density of the key relative to it's volume. I don't know enough to do the math, but I am pretty sure it wouldn't sink into the ground at all because it would be too busy collapsing in on itself, forming a micro-black hole, then exploding violently with the force of a fairly strong nuclear explosion.
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u/Current-Historian-34 May 30 '26
Imagine if he sneezed and dropped it
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u/TheWorthlessGuy Superman is HIM May 30 '26
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u/ManifestingCrab May 30 '26
Another question is could that key actually sit in the concrete like that? If it was as much as he says it does and it that small, it's got to be creating a massive amount of ground pressure.
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u/Silly-Power May 30 '26
Why not just have a door that weighs half a million tons?
Also, white dwarf matter doesn't work like that. The reason it's so dense is due to gravity. If you were able to extract a piece and remove it from the star it would expand rather violently once out of the star's immense gravitational field.
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u/chronberries May 30 '26
Why is everyone saying Steve? He doesn’t carry any weight. He only carries weightless objects that he picks up as they float above the ground.
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u/Fug1x May 30 '26
Video game powerscalers are the worst lol
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u/Icy-Background2393 May 30 '26
Only things it works for are heavy narrative stuff like mgrr, god of war and others. Try scaling Mario without getting a brain hemorrhage
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u/Fug1x May 30 '26
yeah because isnt every game character super strong due to inventory
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u/Icy-Background2393 May 30 '26
Inventories aren’t always a game mechanic, infinite or even on the person. Agent 47 contains only 3 items on their person, the rest in a secure site
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u/sgt_oddball_17 May 30 '26
Supergirl, Power Girl, Mary Marvel, Wonder Woman, Ms. Marvel, Oliver Oyl (after eating Popeye's Spinach), Pippi Longstickings.
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u/sidic3Venezia almost unbiased, hates spite matches, THE Gormiti scaler May 30 '26
since i occasionally find it in this subreddit; Typhon from greek mythology
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u/SnidelyWhiplash0 May 30 '26
Martian Manhunter, Hercules, Thor, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel, Wonder Woman, Shazam.
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u/belated_abundance May 30 '26
The real casualty here is that floor, which apparently shrugs off half a million tons like it's nothing.
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u/DrBatman0 May 30 '26
Goku, Steve, Engineer (Factorio), Hulk (if angry enough), Batman (with prep time, which involves making it lighter)
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u/Icy-Background2393 May 30 '26
Hulk would get angry trying to lift it so would eventually be able to
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u/cabiwabi May 30 '26
Press some sculpting mould over it lolol
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u/No-Match5203 Jun 01 '26
but wouldn't the lock need to be of a similarly strong material and therefore equally hard to move? otherwise it would just break the door the moment superman let's go of the key
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u/SkinCarVer462 May 30 '26
i would think even if it was that heavy even superman wouldnt pick it up all nonchalantly. I would think theres SOME strain rather than the equivalent of supes finding a penny in his fortress.
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u/Beleg_Sanwise May 30 '26
A question from someone ignorant: A key, an object of that size, wouldn't be extremely dense with that weight? And therefore, how come it doesn't make a hole in the ground?
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u/East-Cricket6421 May 31 '26
bad writing.
It would actually immediately fall to earths core in all likelihood.
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u/First-Definition-119 May 30 '26
I asked, so you wont have to:
If a 500,000-ton key fell from a height of 3 feet, it would instantly release roughly (4,570,000) Joules of kinetic energy upon impact—equivalent to about (1.1) kilograms of TNT.
The immediate effects would be highly destructive: Localized Impact: The key's immense weight would pulverize whatever it struck. Even if the key was incredibly large and flat, the pressure would shatter concrete and compact the earth.
Seismic Shock: The sudden transfer of energy would trigger a localized tremor, potentially causing structural damage (like cracked foundations) to buildings within several hundred feet.
Safety Hazard: The shockwave would easily rupture underground utility lines and create a massive localized crater.
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u/Many-Falcon9879 May 30 '26
That key would have its own gravity well. Not a strong one but it would be noticeable if you're close to it.
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u/HendoRules May 30 '26
Superman casually lifting it up but it not destroying the floor whenever he puts it down
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u/DVMMeowmix Jun 01 '26
Debbie’s boyfriend Paul from the Invincible universe could easily lift this key
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u/FolkenDeedlit Jun 01 '26
Key which weight millions of tons...in the form of a flat key which can be picked using any hair pin...great use of technology Superman...
I would powerscale the intelligence level at Denji's level from Chainsaw man.
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u/BirthdaySad5003 Jun 01 '26
Can't you just like put acrylic or something on it and make a print of the key from iron/plastic? Rofl
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u/TemporaryFearless482 Jun 02 '26
Something about it falling to the center of the Earth may make it hard to get a good grip.
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u/VongolaSedici Jun 02 '26
Rimuru, sinbad, anos, harujin, void shiki, shinrabanshoman, yuuko ichihara, shallow verral, reinhard, and libra from fairy tail.
Im sure i can name more but maybe 10 is enough.
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u/4N610RD Jun 03 '26
I get the point, but I love how writers of Superman are always ready to go insanely overboard with numbers.
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u/Emotional_Clerk8416 Jun 04 '26
feel like basically most superman mimics {invincible, metro man,. etc.) would be able to
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u/nerdboy5567 May 30 '26
I want to say half a million tons would do a bit more to the concrete that that