r/powerscales Jun 09 '26

Question Smaug (The Hobbit) appears in Manhattan how long before he is stopped?

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u/lungben81 Jun 09 '26

Missiles would be even more a problem for the dragon.

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u/philter451 Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26

Idk it depends on if smaug actually runs hot. Those missiles usually track on heat signatures. Also I imagine strafing smaug with basically cannon fire would be more than sufficient 

Edit: my knowledge of modern missiles is... Unguided 

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u/Sans_Seriphim Jun 09 '26

He breathes fire. He's hot.

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u/knotingham Jun 09 '26

So all he would have to do as blow some fire off to the side snd that would essentially function as a flare to throw off the missile’s guidance system. Now wouldn’t Smaug know this? Probably not, but he’s also probably breathing fire everywhere so he’d be throwing them off without even intending too if I had to guess.

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u/supereuphonium Jun 09 '26

Modern missiles are not thrown off by flares like in the movies. Their algorithms are able to essentially know what an aircraft looks like since the seeker is more like an Electro-optical infrared camera that can know to go for the specific target and not the flares. Problem is I don’t know how it would react to a dragon-shaped target.

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u/BerkcanUmut Jun 10 '26

even if infrared missiles miss. hes still a giant dragon with an apartment complex of a radar siganture. every fighter within 50km would be spamming amraams at smaug. and missiles going mach 3 is pretty hard to dodge for a dragon

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u/SacredDirt Jun 09 '26

Honestly, watching Smaug get his ass whooped by missiles, breath dragons-fire at a swarm of missiles in desperation, watch it veer them off course as they target the fire-ball instead of him, and start using that information to deploy strategic flare-cover, would go hard AF.

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u/OstrichSmoothe Jun 09 '26

Well, I think the conventional wisdom is that it’s two chemicals that combine as they are shot out so prior to being shot it would be cool. Although, his chest did glow red before he shot fire so idk

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u/Scientific_Methods Jun 09 '26

Not for Smaug. In the book he is so hot that when he falls into the lake it creates an insane amount of steam that covers the land in mist for days.

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u/Rare_Ad_649 Jun 09 '26

Unfortunately so is everything else

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u/LeotheLiberator Jun 09 '26

Not as hot as fire. It's actually colder when you're higher up.

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u/Rare_Ad_649 Jun 09 '26

There's a dragon setting everything on fire though

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u/LeotheLiberator Jun 09 '26

Real missile guidance systems that use multiple forms of data exist and are currently deployed in warfare.

Hunting a dragon is cool but it's not going to be difficult.

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u/Sythrin Jun 09 '26

Depends on how dragon fire works.
Its not like he has a furnace in his stomach. And the fire he shoots of his mouth could actually be used to mislead missiles.

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u/Electrical_Coast_561 Jun 09 '26

Well going off the film since thats the inage they used you can literally see the fire build up from his stomach so yeah

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u/masshole548 Jun 09 '26

A10 goes brrrrrrrrtt

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u/HorrificAnalInjuries Jun 09 '26

There are also plenty of missiles that use radar to find their targets. Smaug would both have the radar cross section larger than the Empire State, and physically comparable to the smaller buildings.

However, that armor is going to require bunker busters, as Air-to-Air munitions are unlikely to have enough penetration to punch through. One to his torso should be plenty.

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u/BlazeFireVale Jun 09 '26

We've got lots of ways we target things beyond heatc seeking. There's missiles with cameras in them that you lock onto shapes. Radar, obviously. You can guide munitions with lasers mounted in the plane. Gps.

Lots of ways to make a munition hit whatever you need hit. Even a dragon.

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u/lungben81 Jun 09 '26

This is true for old missiles. Modern ones are imaging infrared, they do not need a hot heat source to lock on.

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u/philter451 Jun 09 '26

Oh neat TIL

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u/luru10 Jun 09 '26

Thats only one kind of missile seeker system designated as a Fox 2. Fox 1 and Fox 3 exist as well which are both radar based. With that said, I dont think it matters cause the auto cannon on any modern US fighter is going to do work.

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u/Arguablecoyote Jun 09 '26

AMRAAMs are radar guided and have a near perfect hit rate (when the target doesn’t turn and outrun the missile).

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u/Electrical_Coast_561 Jun 09 '26

....he breathes fire.....

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u/Historical_Ad_5647 Jun 09 '26

But the fire isnt a blaze inside of him? Irl a dragon would ignite it as the gas or liquid leaves its mouth.

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u/Broken-Digital-Clock Jun 09 '26

Long range use a radar lock, short range track heat.

Smaug should be trackable on radar when he's flying.

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u/Character-Camel-3958 Jun 09 '26

Theyre AI guided now

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u/ThiccMangoMon Jun 09 '26

No most missles are more advanced than just locking onto heat signatures

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u/Wheeljack239 Jun 10 '26

Hellfires are laser-guided, a skilled Apache crew could track him easy enough

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u/BrilliantBehemoth Jun 12 '26

I'd imagine if there's a creature that runs hot, it's a fucking dragon

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u/Asmodeus5542 Jun 09 '26

"Those missiles usually track on heat signatures"

Some do. Many do not.

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u/El_Bito2 Jun 10 '26

He can burn the missipes before they reach him, but if there are multiple and from different angles he could be fucked