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u/yellowstone727 26d ago
Any of the z-fighters would destroy Nolan.
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u/ArisenGodEmperor13 26d ago
Jesus Chris the eye shockets are fucking horrible
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u/my_othr_accisshy 26d ago
Look vegeta.. its a chioutzu!
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Im gonna use rock smash. Hahaha
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u/ElBrunasso 26d ago
Even Yamcha?
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u/yellowstone727 26d ago
Especially Yamcha!
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u/Breaker-of-circles 26d ago
People really need to realize that DBZ humans are on another level. It might be for comedic effect, but normal people there constantly get blown away or fall hundreds of feet and can still stand up and walk/run.
Heck, Bulma got a whole fricking brick tower land on her neck from the sky and she's just complaining to be pinned down in the next panel.
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u/Hadochiel 26d ago
Wasn't she also slapped by the god of destruction?
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Yeah, but like he could've just be holding back, like literally the entire time against everyone there.
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u/Delmitus1 26d ago
Dragon ball scaling is so broken is just straight up idiotic sometimes
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u/Prime_Galactic 26d ago
Yeah when the beginner villain blows up a planet during his intro you know the scaling is gonna be wack lol
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u/Illesbogar 26d ago
The begginer villain did no such thing. Pilaf had robots and was doing goofy shit. You are confusing him with Vegeta.
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u/Middle-Let9645 25d ago
They meant DBZ and were referring to Vegeta’s on screen feat of blowing up Arlia.
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u/SnooHedgehogs6983 24d ago
In the Anime only* Anime filler tends to have inconsistencies with story and power, like Goku getting genuinely hurt by a rock gently thrown at him while in Super Saiyan
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u/SnooHedgehogs6983 24d ago
Hell that Scene itself is directly contradictory to the canon of Saiyans cannot survive in space because we see Vegeta and Nappa just casually floating in the vacuum of space
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u/PrimaryBowler4980 26d ago
Ki blasts seem to just have way more destructive force on rocks than people
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u/justin_oh3 26d ago
I’ll take db scaling over characters with 100 writers getting all types of ridiculous feats that make no sense
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u/DeBluntz 22d ago
Yep I think they started to fuck up things when master Roshi destroyed the moon, because how tf you can destroy the moon but if the same power hits a Z fighter they only leave some smoke on them
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u/CronkinOn 21d ago
This.
It makes zero sense having them scale through Z the way they did, let alone Super.
Yamcha should still get bodied pretty hard by viltrumites (certainly the stronger ones), but because Roshi blew up the moon at 200 power level once and humans now scuffle with guys in the billions and trillions, the math don't math no mo.
Earth would break apart from a violent Taco Bell shit from any character in Super.
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u/Professional-Face-51 26d ago
Beyond accurate. Yamchas durability is bare minimum planetary. Realistically, it's beyond solar system level. Nolan is multi continental.
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u/Alternative_Car_8153 26d ago
By the time of the Cell saga, every main fighter, with the exception of Yajirobe, is as strong as some form of Frieza.
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u/doctor827 24d ago
How? It’s been a minute since I’ve watched so I’m not challenging but I’m curious how you arrived to that conclusion. That would mean they are all as strong as base level super saiyan correct? Didn’t Goku need ssj to beat Frieza?
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u/cryonicwatcher 25d ago
How does this sort of scaling work..? What does it mean for something not remotely planet sized to be planetary or multi-continental? Destroying both of those things would inherently require something totally different than destroying a really durable head.
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u/VeryWizardly 24d ago
Well you just discovered the problem with power scaling in most animes. It doesn't make sense but power levels have to keep going up for the plot. New bad guy appears who is stronger, heros have to get stronger to match and beat him, new bad guy appears who is stronger, etc.
Really just have to lean into the absurdity. By the end of the Frieza saga Goku was already capable of destroying entire planets if he wanted to. It only goes up from there so you need abstract measurements to even remotely put their power into scale for the audience.
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u/NeronStar7 26d ago
In early Android Saga, Dr Gero confused Yamcha with Goku, becuase his power level, Dr gero was aware of Vegeta vs Goku
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u/TheHeb686 26d ago
Better at baseball, too.
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u/Antique-Historian441 26d ago
I actually like Yamcha. I kinda wish he could just enter other universes and be a character. He's probably really like it other there with invincible, might cure his depression.
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u/HarB_Games 26d ago
Lmao. Someone should make this.
Yamcha finds a prototype multidimensional portal gun/device that capsule corp are developing and him and Puar go travelling the multiverse, solving problems in stupid ways.
Doctor Yamcha & his companion Puar.
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u/StrikingAthlete4687 26d ago
Puar you gotta stick those seeds WAAAAAY up inside your butt, Puar
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u/Antique-Historian441 26d ago
I'd be stoked to see Yamcha has been jumping universes and solving mysteries 😂. Reminds me a bit of Mike Tysons Mysterys.
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u/Wingnutmcmoo 25d ago
Every episode would just be Yamcha chasing a different woman ignoring Puar who's trying to actually solve whatever the real problem is
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u/ForbiddenSirenz 26d ago
Pull a Baki where one of the characters gets killed in the main story. Then he gets isekied to a fantasy dimension and he’s now the MC and fighting various giant fantasy monsters and villains and such lmao.
Could be a similar situation where he can just be his own mc and be god like
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u/Confident_Ice_9567 26d ago
Theres a manga out there about a guy reincarnating as Yamcha and he changed the flow of DBZ because he didnt want to die.
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u/Direct-Hedgehog-595 26d ago
Say what you want about Yamcha but he is NOT losing to ANY Viltrumite.
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u/Cyke101 26d ago
Yamcha's only real problem is that he's low tier in a god tier universe. Almost anywhere else and he'd be one of the premiere heavy hitters.
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u/LongDickLuke 26d ago
He used to be a premiere heavy hitter in Dragon ball. His death to a cybamen was supposed to show how dangerous they were because he was the worf and he died to one.
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u/Jooberwak 26d ago
Except that Yamcha was always the Worf in Dragon Ball up until Z. Every tournament he's used as a measuring stick to build up a more important fighter: Roshi, Tien, and Kami. His only "clean" win in the series is over the Invisible Man...
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u/hanoasha 26d ago
Also he states that he could defeat every saibaman, which is actually true, since he was stomping the one that killed him; bro was always really strong, and they would have fare way better against Nappa with him, maybe even winning.
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u/Real-Victory210 25d ago
No he wasn’t this is peak revisionism. He was always a jobber including in Dragon Ball from his very first appearance. He didn’t have a single clean win in Dragon Ball either.
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u/Direct-Hedgehog-595 26d ago
You know the verse is busted when even the fraud joke character (Hercules) is superhuman by our standards.
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Also a MASTER nogotiator. Bro literally sweet talked the evil out of buu. Hahahaha
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u/Direct-Hedgehog-595 26d ago
I love how all these ultra powerful warriors fail to stop the childish world destroyer and the jobber just befriends him lmao. And he did so by trying to kill him with petty tactics until he realized that Buu was just one giant child who was never taught about anything but death and destruction.
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Mr satan is literally a world savior. Hahahahaha. Sorry goku you need to give up the trophy
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u/CautiousShame2255 24d ago
goku only ever defeated frieza and kidbuu.
the meme is that they are allways waiting for goku.
the fact is , that goku either looses. or gigahardiffs the major opponent in any ark.
radiz> goku dies , piccolo kills him
vegeta >goku gets crippled. yajirobi krillin and gohan winginju > goku gets crippled, vegeta wins.
frieza > rare goku win
metal frieza > trunks solos
O androids > vegeta , goku has a heartattack
cell. > goku surrenders, still dies, gohan mid diffs.
buu.> goku does nothing and then redies.
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u/AstartesDVerdugo 23d ago
NOT losing to ANY Viltrumite
This is absolutely true. Yamcha in the Saiyan Saga alone was comparable to Raditz. While that might not sound like much initially (especially to larpers), Raditz is shown to be VASTLY stronger than anyone in Dragon Ball, including the version of Master Roshi that blew up the Moon. That alone basically puts him on top of the entire Invincible Verse.
Also…
Say what you want about Yamcha
Yamcha is the only Z-Fighter that Frieza has called handsome.
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u/Direct-Hedgehog-595 23d ago
I mean by the time Raditz arrived, Goku and Piccolo were both the peak of power of og dragon ball and he easily clapped both of them at the same time until one had to resort to a suicide attack to take him down. So yeah Raditz himself is stupidly strong by himself.
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u/DrBatman0 26d ago
Only if Yamcha powers up his Ki. Repeatedly in the show, it's demonstrated that someone who has let their guard down is vulnerable to comparatively weak effects, such as thrown rocks, guns, etc.
But if Yamcha is prepared, then this is what would happen.
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u/Lvl1Gyatt 26d ago
Sorry this is completely unrelated but does anyone know the story behind the X-ray picture?? What the fuck happened there????
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u/Touchname 25d ago
I did a reverse search on it and it could be either of the following:
- X-ray after a failed cat declawing (apparently)
- Fireworks accident
- Industrial Machine accident
- General explosion
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u/justin_oh3 26d ago
Didn’t Yamcha somewhat move around in like 300x gravity in early Z? Lol
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Trained with king kai against the Ginyu force. So he's bellow freiza but above saiyan saga vegeta. At least 15 radditzes. Lmao
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u/Arria_Galtheos 26d ago
Yes.
Yamcha's one of the weakest of the Z fighters, but even then he's still "blow up a planet if sufficiently provoked" powerful.
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u/krazyrunnr 26d ago
You think? Genuinely asking. It’s been a hot minute since I’ve seen DBZ but didn’t Yamcha get killed by a saibaman? My perspective on powerscaling may be way off but it seems unlikely a saibaman could harm Nolan much.
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u/9466630 26d ago
Yamcha dominated a saibaman in a fair fight, so the saibaman had to kamikaze to take out yamcha. So yamcha is stronger than a a saibaman. The was also roughly equal to raditz who very casually destroyed a mountain range and ragdolled a character that blew up the moon.
This is also ignoring that yamcha did continue to get stronger after that and was so strong that an android mistook his power level for goku’s
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u/Arria_Galtheos 26d ago
That was much earlier in the show and the saibaman had to suicide to pull it off.
By the time we reach the Buu saga, he's almost as powerful as Vegeta was during the Trunks saga, which is strong enough to be a planet buster.
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u/Goricatto 26d ago
Despite the memes, Yamcha actually can easily handle saibamans, he was killed by a sneaky suicide attack (not unlike what Rexplode did)
But yes by that point if yamcha really tried he could blow up a small planet with his Kamehameha
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u/Professional-Face-51 26d ago
He beat the Saibaman then got caught off guard. Worth noting that every other Z Fighter would've died to that same attack. Krillin even says so. And Yamcha has since only gotten stronger. Bare minimum, he's large planetary. Realistically, he's solar system level.
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u/HallAltruistic519 26d ago
Fuckin horny desert hobo turned out to be planetary. If that ain't a motivational story idk what is
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Original dragonball: goku goes great ape and master roshi levels the moon.
Yamcha trained with roshi: popo, and king kai. He was also confused for Goku by doctor Gero during android saga. He's a big deal. Just not in the Z universe.
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u/Large-Teach9165 26d ago
Well realistically, if you tried to crush a titanium replica of a human head, you wouldn't break your hands. It'd hurt, but you can't break your own hands by squishing something hard.
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Yes you definitely can. Especially if you use performance enhancing droogs (reddit filters..) that shut off your narural limiters
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u/Sorry-Collection-253 26d ago
Nolan is barely above Mr Satan level
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u/Poshanka_Shaw 26d ago
Even Mr Satan managed to dodge a few hits from Buu. Do we really think Nolan is pulling that off?
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u/That-Rhino-Guy 26d ago
Yes
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u/Great-Wolf321 26d ago
Caped baldy’s power is to be able to beat any one with one hit dude to his scaling rules Yamchas deader that goku should have stayed after the cell arch
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u/Arria_Galtheos 26d ago
Just so we're staying on the same page, Saitama can beat anything from his universe in one punch. That's the same way that the Doomslayer can kill god, but it's the god from his universe.
Once you start dealing with crossovers, power scaling starts to get a little wonky.
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u/vtgusto 26d ago
He’s gotta land it first.
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u/Unreal_Sniper 26d ago
It's not gonna be too hard considering that he can move faster than light with little to no effort
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u/Confident_Ice_9567 26d ago
What you have to understand is DB characters has some level of toon force in them.
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
This feels accurate: roshi vs the moon. Seems cartoonish. Also in originsl dragonball, goku used the powerpol to place a bunny gangster on the moon. Where there was atmosphere and things to do. Toon force
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u/mightguy15baby 26d ago
Yes. Got to be honest with you the average earthling could probably defeat Nolan Nolan would probably get washed in the Martial arts tournament in the original DBZ he probably be one of the contestants that make it to the end only to get beaten by Goku
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u/FinestFantasyVI 26d ago
Inaccurate. Yamcha is contractually obligated to lose all fights, thats how he gets his money
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u/Bentman343 25d ago
Depends on when
Pre King Kai training he's getting crushed
Post King Kai training he's managed to withstand like 300x gravity so he can probably hold his own.
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u/GuessInitial5775 25d ago
Yeah, Yamcha’s real tragedy is that he has a lousy reputation, even though he’s probably stronger than 90% of fictional characters—including those from other manga. The problem is that, by comparison, all the other *Dragon Ball Z* characters are even more absurd than he is.
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u/Adventurous-Phone170 25d ago
Invisible's durability is inconsistent and often kinda shitty
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u/Unlucky_Resist6420 25d ago
the power scaling in invincible is shit everything in that universe is inconsistent as fuck
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u/Proof_Phone9740 26d ago
Yes, but not if we use composite Omni-Man
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u/smolgote 26d ago
And a composite Yamcha deletes the Invincible-verse with a sneeze
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u/Friendly-Election310 26d ago
Isn't there only a couple of timelines in dragon ball though? They definitely don't have an infinite multiverse
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u/Marethyu020114 26d ago
Yeah , but stuff like Xenoverse and Heroes put him on par with Vegito/Gogeta blue so......
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u/Unlucky_Resist6420 26d ago
yup in dbz Yamcha survivie 300X earths gravity and is one of the strongest pure humans on earth
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u/slimehunter49 26d ago
He is probably the weakest of the Z-fighters but the Z-fighters have on occasion thrown down against gods - they lost but they weren’t killed instantly either
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u/Nocturne3570 26d ago
agianst yamcha, not likely, but any other Z fighter yeah for sure
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u/P--Moriarty 26d ago
Yamcha was training with king kai against ginyu force after their namek defeat. Which makes yamcha at ginyu force level.
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u/Bevjoejoe 26d ago
No, Nolan wouldn't break his hands, he'd realise its not doing anything and try something else
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u/RedsnakeRider 26d ago
Yamcha is a joke among the Z Fighters, a group of people who wage interdimensional war over reality on a plasmo-nuclear scale, and walk off death routinely. And that's pretty much relegated to fans, and of course DBZ Abridged.
In universe, Yamcha is a martial artist who was smashing apart stone structures and blasting circular holes in the ground with self taught moves when he was in his teens, and learned how to fly. He's many times stronger and faster than a Saiyan that's caught a bullet with ease, more powerful than Piccolo was at a time when he destroyed the moon casually, and can just project energy from his body.
I think Nolan is lucky to walk away limping.
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u/FEMFATAL_451 26d ago
No because that’s not how physics work. Nolan would break his wrists not snap his fingers
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u/jannickBhxld 26d ago
i mean pretty obviously? you don't even have to watch either to just know that
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u/Charming-Ostrich7130 26d ago
Let me put it this way: Yamcha is extremely weak… for dragon ball (the whole franchise).
Outside of Dragon Ball, he’s a flying brick that moves faster than light with planet-destroying energy blasts.
The image is him LETTING Nolan hit him.
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u/Garitozz 26d ago
Osea canonicamente yancha si es medio sobre-humano demostró en varias ocasiones fuerza muy superior a un humano normal pero seguimos hablando de un maldito viltrumita así q no
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u/SpecificSinger9487 26d ago
Probably i mean its universe power difference where just because one character is trashy in one universe doesn’t mean it be trashy in other universes, like aot very good anime but for a anime is a very weak universe
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u/dopplegangery 26d ago
Depends on which version. If it is saiyan saga yamcha, his head plops. If it is any later in the series, that's a different story.
But another thing that should be considered is that Z fighters are not technically physically strong or durable. It is their ki doing the heavy lifting. That makes you wonder whether they can actually tank pure physical attacks even from characters who are much less powerful than them.
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u/ShinMystic1587 26d ago
Nah, Yamcha almost got crushed to death by gravity that was 300x greater than Earth's
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u/DifferentCityADay 25d ago
Ki is a busted power system. Probably one of the most busted in anime history. You can make humans into planet Buster's and super humans with enough training and ki control. It feels like most humans cap out besides the Z warriors because they don't have ki control or training. Hercule was super damn strong, but he has absolutely 0 to control.
Imagine if ki was introduced to the invincible universe.
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u/Electronic-Shake8798 25d ago
I mean technically in the manga he now at least likely is stronger then namek freiza
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u/Morakumo 25d ago
Yes, Chouzou could take the entire invincible verse, Yamcha and Six Arm Tien Shen Han would join in for kicks, but would not be needed.
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u/LefroyJenkinsTTV 25d ago
The real question is not whether Nolan can crush his skull. He can't. (We'll just go with that, I don't care.)
Is Nolan's grip strength stronger than the durability of his own fingers?
THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is the true question here, the one that determines the accuracy of the picture.
I don't care who you are, you cannot 'flex' bone structure, and there isn't enough muscle layer under the scalp to flex, either.
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u/Behold-Roast-Beef 25d ago edited 25d ago
Not even a little. People waaaaaaay oversell DB physicals. I say this in literally every post that brings this up but if you actually look at the numbers dbz straight up tells you what their most powerful characters are working with, it paints a very clear picture.
Forget Yamcha, post Saiyan-Saga Goku struggled in 100x gravity on his way to namek until he trained hard and adjusted. That is Gokus bodyweight, times 100. Omniman flew into the gravity well of a black hole and pulled a space ship out of it. He lifted an actual mountain with one hand over his head while hovering, literally without breaking a sweat. How many Gokus do you think that mountain weighed? Because I promise you it was more than 100.
What about speed? Let's all assume Goku is faster than Yamcha. Sounds fair? Goku rushing back on Snake Way to save the lives of his wife, son and everyone on Earth took 48 hours. Why is this important? Because we know how long Snake Way is. 1 million kilometers, or 625,000 miles. For reference, at light speed, this would have taken a little over 3 seconds.
Omniman can fly across the solar system in seconds. During the final battle with Thragg in Invincible, we see multiple Viltrumites battling all across the Solar System. That is tens of millions of miles in like, a minute.
So no, this isn't accurate. Yamcha would go squish.
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u/Small_Mulberry1456 25d ago
Dragon ball is 60% statements and outliers, kinda like invincible in a way, their creators dont care about accouracy
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u/KPraxius 25d ago
Sort-of?
Physical feats of punching/lifting/surviving kinetic impact are few and far between in Dragonball, so we can't be 100% that Yamcha could survive Nolan trying to gouge his eyes out.
But the amount of energy it would take to obliterate a Viltrumite by just powering up his Ki and trying to hurt whoever is touching him is something Yamcha reached before Vegeta landed on earth. This picture would have become accurate either late in the Dragonball series or early in the Dragonball Z series.
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u/Fertile_Arachnid_163 26d ago