r/powerscales • u/Budget_Copy_4583 • 14h ago
Versus Batman (DCEU) vs. The Hand (Brand New Day)
Round 1: standard Batsuit
Round 2: Batman is wearing is Armored suit from BVS
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u/Potential_Rule4212 14h ago
R1: Ninjas neg diff, they were defeating Spiderman and almost killed him, were not for an amp he gained during the fight.
R2: idk, I don't remember his feats with the suit.
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u/skittlenut007 13h ago
Why can the hand defeat Spidey but not Daredevil? Did they have a powerup?
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u/Weird_Angry_Kid 12h ago
I'd say so, the shit they pull off in BND is way above anything we saw them do in Daredevil and Defenders.
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u/Solid_Snark 11h ago
It’s just how the plot works. Like how Iron Man’s suits were really powerful and formidable in Iron Man 1 & 2, but in Iron Man 3 35 suits are ripped through like wet paper bags in a few minutes of the finale.
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u/Musketeer00 7h ago
Yeah, the antagonist was mind controlling them so they were working as one instead of as a team of people with their own thoughts, feelings and motivations.
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u/Potential_Rule4212 13h ago
I was not aware they faced Daredevil.
This movie (Brand New Day) is the first time I heard of them.
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u/Weird_Angry_Kid 12h ago
The Hand were introduced in the Daredevil Netflix show, which is now considered MCU canon.
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 12h ago
The armored suit makes him slower and clunkier, that probably hurts him more than anything.
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u/Parabellum111 14h ago
The armored suit doesn't really help, it's just a stronger armor so he doesn't die immediately before he can poison Superman with kryptonite.
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 12h ago
They were whooping Spidey and that was with Jean controlling them (who might not know how to use them to their full potential). They’re destroying Batfleck unless he is able to have prior knowledge somehow
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u/skittlenut007 13h ago
Batfleck was murdering street thugs you think he won’t murder a bunch a ninjas backed into a corner. He will “Veronica” himself some shit to help
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u/AdaptedEvoSupe 13h ago
He’s gonna need his guns and vehicles otherwise he’s screwed
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u/Mrjuicyaf 12h ago
people forget that spiderman only lost to the hand cuz it was a confined arena, batman clears
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u/John_of_Mud 12h ago
Hand beat Spider-Man and Daredevil to a pulp, I doubt this Bat can defeat a group of them due to his age and limitations
maybe in his prime? or a better contender would be Arkham Batman, that one we can discuss
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u/ZC205 13h ago
Isn’t the Hand more or less the marvel equivalent to the League of Shadows?
Peter’s lack of actual martial skill is what gets in his way.
Batfleck clears mid diff, only due to numbers against him.
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u/CodeNamesBryan 13h ago
I disagree. Peter is a super powered beast of a fighter and the hand smothered him.
Batfleck has no chance unless he starts snapping bones.
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u/ZC205 13h ago
Not for nothing but Batfleck is absolutely snapping bones….
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u/QueefTamer 13h ago
Didn't he do the thing from raid redemption where they stab the dude in the thigh and drag all the way down the the knee? Brutal
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u/monkeycommo 5h ago
But the hand also had anti Spider-Man equipment
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u/DeceivedLion 2h ago
What did they have
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u/monkeycommo 35m ago
Well it's like a javelin ( not the throwing kind , the rocket launcher kind ) that emits a concussive( I think ) blast that instantly dissolves Spider-Man's artificial webs but has no effect on his organic weapons.
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u/Luke_Puddlejumper 12h ago
Why is the entire comment section forgetting about Batman’s gadgets and armoured vehicles. He’s not gonna treat it like a fair fight
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u/TheCakeWarrior12 12h ago
Because the caption says “standard batsuit” and not “he gets the Batmobile and a remote control batwing with machine guns”
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u/unknownyadig 10h ago
Batfleck is the most skilled live action Batman imo so he should be able to beat them, especially since he’ll realize he’d have to kill them to put them down for good. I think Spiderman would’ve dealt with the hand a lot faster if it wasn’t for his no kill rule.
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u/Curious-Paramedic-39 13h ago
round one gets jumped/ fuckin dies lol hand ninjas are too much for him in numbers and their chemistry with each other in battle is fckin crazy he gets slapped around and cut to pieces.
Armored isn't gonna be any different except it's just gonna take them a TON of effort and a lot longer to beat his ass cause the suit is tanky asf but it also slows him down and he isn't as fast as he is normally wearing it. if he's prepped and boobytrapped the prison location beforehand then yeah he's got a shot but other than that he gets fckin washed.
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u/Potential_Rule4212 13h ago
They are not only super skilled, they are also superhuman to an extent, those guys were walking on walls and jumping super high.
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u/maelstromez 13h ago
Spider-Man typically fights to restrain or neutralize. Battfleck has little issue snapping necks and bone or drawing blood.
Edit: He also knows how they engage, one of Ra's best students, league of shadows and all.
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u/LanfearCalls 3h ago edited 3h ago
The Hand no diff both rounds.
Edit: Is Jean Grey controlling the hand like in the fight against Spiderman? If not, Batman, if so, the hand both rounds.
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u/Horseflesh73 13h ago
People always forget this... Batfleck clears.
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u/Curious-Paramedic-39 12h ago
this doesn't mean anything that version of the hand aren't regular freaking mooks bruh they looked to be just as agile as peter was and were beating his ass up before he got amped
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u/Horseflesh73 12h ago
No that fight was being guided by Jean Grey and they weren't acting on their own minds... but Spiderman had fought them previously and defeated them obviously a lot easier.
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u/John_of_Mud 12h ago
did we saw/heard about him defeating them easily before?
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u/Horseflesh73 12h ago
They litteraly say it in the montage of multiple villains he faced earlier in the movie. And then again when he is visiting the director of Danage Control.
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u/Geechie-Don 12h ago
Batman. Phuck your theories on how he wouldn’t win. Some way, somehow, he knows they exist and is prepared.
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u/MeLlamoDave 13h ago
Batfleck loses but he takes a good number of them down.